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Our Own Auschwiz[W:602]

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Bassman said:
Only problem is they likely don't even obey Scripture at all.
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There is not a word in the scripture that forbids a woman from ending/interrupping her own pregnancy.
 
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Bassman said:
Only problem is they likely don't even obey Scripture at all.
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Based on your interpretation of scripture. Are you indicating that your interpretation of the scripture is the only interpretation of the scripture?

Abortion was " a thing" back in Biblical times. Why did they not specifically point out abortion.
 
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Bassman said:
Actually, yes, yes it is.
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Huh. So, in your mind....is every Christian who interprets the Bible differently than you a "bad" Christian?

I have to wonder...since abortions emphatically did occur in Biblical times....why was abortion not mentioned ?
 
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year2late said:
Huh. So, in your mind....is every Christian who interprets the Bible differently than you a "bad" Christian?

I have to wonder...since abortions emphatically did occur in Biblical times....why was abortion not mentioned ?
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That's easy enough to understand. Abortion was in the realm of "womanly" issues and the Bible is mostly concerned with men. In the cases it does mention women, it's usually to condemn them for not honoring their men, or to praise them for being pure as the driven snow. What they did behind closed doors to rid themselves of their progeny was not something the males concerned themselves with. Of course, if discovered, they might beat them to death or something.
 
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Bassman said:
"You shall not murder" isn't specific enough?
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Since those of the Jewish faith ( Jesus was Jewish when he was growing up ) did not belief that life began before live birth an abortion was not concidered as killing let alone anything close to murder. Abortion before quickening was just ending a pregnancy befor life which was a woman’s issue and men and religion did notcorncern them self’s with that.

Also after Christianity many Protestant Religions believed ( and many Mainline Protestant Religions still belief that spiritual life ( ensoulment/ living soul) does not occur until birth.

They believe that life begins with the breath of life.

Roe did address this in part IX of Roe vs Wade.

There has always been strong support for the view that life does not begin until live' birth. This was the belief of the Stoics. [Footnote 56] It appears to be the predominant, though not the unanimous, attitude of the Jewish faith. [Footnote 57] It may be taken to represent also the position of a large segment of the Protestant community, insofar as that can be ascertained; organized groups that have taken a formal position on the abortion issue have generally regarded abortion as a matter for the conscience of the individual and her family. [Footnote 58] As we have noted, the common law found greater significance in quickening. Physician and their scientific colleagues have regarded that event with less interest and have tended to focus either upon conception, upon live birth, or upon the interim point at which the fetus becomes "viable," that is, potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid. [Footnote 59] Viability is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks.
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Quote from Roe v Wade Part IX
 
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minnie616 said:
Since those of the Jewish faith ( Jesus was Jewish when he was growing up ) did not belief that life began before live birth an abortion was not concidered as killing let alone anything close to murder. Abortion before quickening was just ending a pregnancy befor life which was a woman’s issue and men and religion did notcorncern them self’s with that.

Also after Christianity many Protestant Religions believed ( and many Mainline Protestant Religions still belief that spiritual life ( ensoulment/ living soul) does not occur until birth.

They believe that life begins with the breath of life.

Roe did address this in part IX of Roe vs Wade.


Quote from Roe v Wade Part IX
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And they were wrong. God imparts the eternal soul at conception, not birth! (Jer. 33:3)
 
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HowardBThiname said:
That's easy enough to understand. Abortion was in the realm of "womanly" issues and the Bible is mostly concerned with men. In the cases it does mention women, it's usually to condemn them for not honoring their men, or to praise them for being pure as the driven snow. What they did behind closed doors to rid themselves of their progeny was not something the males concerned themselves with. Of course, if discovered, they might beat them to death or something.
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We can go back to Exodus to figure out the value of a fetus at the time.


So I am not buying your response.
 
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Bassman said:
And they were wrong. God imparts the eternal soul at conception, not birth! (Jer. 33:3)
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so god is only pro abortion in the cases of pregnancy by suspected adultery then?
 
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Bassman said:
And they were wrong. God imparts the eternal soul at conception, not birth! (Jer. 33:3)
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If you find it necessary to use tenets from your religious to make a point. Could you please provide the actual copy of the scripture rather than making references to one?

Also....

It often appears that what comes before and after a given scripture gives clairity to the meaning of a given scripture. In other words, “context is important”.
 
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Bassman said:
Then your "god" is Satan.Not where the absolute Truth of Scripture is concerned.
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In your opinion. What is this absolute Truth? Is it different from Hindu absolute Truth?
 
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Bassman said:
And they were wrong. God imparts the eternal soul at conception, not birth! (Jer. 33:3)
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Thanks for admitting your religious objection that so many anti-abortionists falsely deny is the reason for their belief. But we live in a secular country and imaginary souls are not part of our laws and never will be. You should also know that in nature 3/4's of fertilized eggs do not result in a child meaning that most of the "souls" in heaven never were born and God is the biggest abortionist there is. You might think about that for a minute.

So millions of viable human embryos each year produced via normal conception fail to implant and never develop further. Does this mean America is suffering a veritable holocaust of innocent human life annihilated? Consider the claim made by right-to-life apologists like Robert George, a Princeton University professor of jurisprudence and a member of the President's Council on Bioethics, that every embryo is "already a human being." Does that mean that if we could detect such unimplanted embryos as they leave the womb, we would have a duty to rescue them and try to implant them anyway?

"If the embryo loss that accompanies natural procreation were the moral equivalent of infant death, then pregnancy would have to be regarded as a public health crisis of epidemic proportions: Alleviating natural embryo loss would be a more urgent moral cause than abortion, in vitro fertilization, and stem-cell research combined," declared Michael Sandel, a Harvard University government professor, also a member of the President's Council on Bioethics.
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Is Heaven Populated Chiefly by the Souls of Embryos? - Reason.com
 
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year2late said:
We can go back to Exodus to figure out the value of a fetus at the time.


So I am not buying your response.
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So, we have a comment that a fetus is not equal to a woman, but that someone who causes harm to the woman and causes her to lose the fetus should still be punished.

That works against, not for, abortion rights, my friend.

In reality, there was no dictate whatsoever about rights of a fetus to live. Women knew what to do and they did it.
 
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