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    Re: Our Own Auschwiz

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Then your "god" is Satan.

    Incorrect.



    Not where the absolute Truth of Scripture is concerned.
    Incorrect. Both my country and yours have freedom of religion.

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    Re: Our Own Auschwiz

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    It is in God's economy.
    Which god? And citation needed for your claim.

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    Re: Our Own Auschwiz

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    Then your "god" is Satan.Not where the absolute Truth of Scripture is concerned.
    In your opinion. What is this absolute Truth? Is it different from Hindu absolute Truth?
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    Re: Our Own Auschwiz

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    And they were wrong. God imparts the eternal soul at conception, not birth! (Jer. 33:3)
    Thanks for admitting your religious objection that so many anti-abortionists falsely deny is the reason for their belief. But we live in a secular country and imaginary souls are not part of our laws and never will be. You should also know that in nature 3/4's of fertilized eggs do not result in a child meaning that most of the "souls" in heaven never were born and God is the biggest abortionist there is. You might think about that for a minute.

    So millions of viable human embryos each year produced via normal conception fail to implant and never develop further. Does this mean America is suffering a veritable holocaust of innocent human life annihilated? Consider the claim made by right-to-life apologists like Robert George, a Princeton University professor of jurisprudence and a member of the President's Council on Bioethics, that every embryo is "already a human being." Does that mean that if we could detect such unimplanted embryos as they leave the womb, we would have a duty to rescue them and try to implant them anyway?

    "If the embryo loss that accompanies natural procreation were the moral equivalent of infant death, then pregnancy would have to be regarded as a public health crisis of epidemic proportions: Alleviating natural embryo loss would be a more urgent moral cause than abortion, in vitro fertilization, and stem-cell research combined," declared Michael Sandel, a Harvard University government professor, also a member of the President's Council on Bioethics.
    Is Heaven Populated Chiefly by the Souls of Embryos? - Reason.com
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    Re: Our Own Auschwiz

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    We can go back to Exodus to figure out the value of a fetus at the time.


    So I am not buying your response.
    So, we have a comment that a fetus is not equal to a woman, but that someone who causes harm to the woman and causes her to lose the fetus should still be punished.

    That works against, not for, abortion rights, my friend.

    In reality, there was no dictate whatsoever about rights of a fetus to live. Women knew what to do and they did it.
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    Re: Our Own Auschwiz

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    So, we have a comment that a fetus is not equal to a woman, but that someone who causes harm to the woman and causes her to lose the fetus should still be punished.

    That works against, not for, abortion rights, my friend.

    In reality, there was no dictate whatsoever about rights of a fetus to live. Women knew what to do and they did it.
    No it doesnt. It treats the fetus more like property .

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    Re: Our Own Auschwiz

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    No it doesnt. It treats the fetus more like property .
    It gives it a value, whether as property or progeny. That's kind of anti-abortion there because it indicates some sort of value.
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    Re: Our Own Auschwiz

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    So, we have a comment that a fetus is not equal to a woman, but that someone who causes harm to the woman and causes her to lose the fetus should still be punished.

    That works against, not for, abortion rights, my friend.

    In reality, there was no dictate whatsoever about rights of a fetus to live. Women knew what to do and they did it.
    Because the law is about the harm and loss to the woman. It's not a homicide charge. A pregnant woman choosing to carry and raise a child...you dont think such a loss is devastating?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Our Own Auschwiz

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Because the law is about the harm and loss to the woman. It's not a homicide charge. A pregnant woman choosing to carry and raise a child...you dont think such a loss is devastating?
    Actually, that loss was about a loss to the woman's husband. Women had no claim to their own children then -- they were counted as property of the father. Is that what you want today? For the father of a fetus to have a claim against an abortion doctor?

    Don't kid yourself, the Old Testament was not a fan of the fairer sex.
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    Re: Our Own Auschwiz

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Then your "god" is Satan.Not where the absolute Truth of Scripture is concerned.
    Questions or claims about God/Satan/Bibles belong in another Forum. Not all subscribe to your religious beliefs.

    Civilized nations are ruled by laws/rights/privileges. These laws, rights, and privileges are apparently what you hold conflicts with.

    Obviously in nations ruled by law, not all human life possess the same rights and privileges. Even in theocracies youíll find the same to be true. Itís understood that you disagree with the hierarchy of rights.

    In my opinion youíll find it difficult to establish an argument from your personal beliefs, regardless how true you think that they are.

    To date, no pro-life advocates have been able to create an argument that devises a way to make all stages of human life equal within the law. Youíre welcome to give it a shot.

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