• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

After 101 years....Planned Parenthood Looks Forward

Bassman said:
Then there are crisis pregnancy centers, county clinics, hospitals. PP is NOT the end all be all. And if the mother wants to keep the child? PP does absolutely nothing regarding prenatal care, etc. They are an abortion mill.
Click to expand...

Complete lie. THey provide BIRTH CONTROL to begin with. THey provide FAMILY counseling. THey provide information on nutrition for expectant mothers, pre-natal vitamins, and referrals to Drs for expectant mothers, if they arent set up to do the well-mother exams.

LOL...your arguments are total lies...and lying is a sin. Again...you have no moral High Ground here. You are willfully ignorant and intentionally lying.

Ya got nuthin'
 
Last edited:
Removable Mind said:
Again, you keep injecting something that you’ve created out of your own personal beliefs that isn’t congruent with the law and even worse, your degrading a core right that every woman is entitled to.
Click to expand...

So you derive your morality from the law. Interesting. There has been many gross things supported by laws over human history. I'd think someone would figure out that it's a horrible premise to base much of anything on by now.

As far as degrading rights, what right is it called to kill babies? I'll have to have that one explained to me. "Hey! You're violating my rights to not be allowed to kill other humans. It's an outrage!" Rofl.
 
Bassman said:
Then there are crisis pregnancy centers, county clinics, hospitals. PP is NOT the end all be all. And if the mother wants to keep the child? PP does absolutely nothing regarding prenatal care, etc. They are an abortion mill.
Click to expand...

I am curious, are crisis pregnancy centers staffed with OBGyns that will oversee all the medical needs during pregnancy?
 
Lursa said:
Who says?

And then who says that an unborn life has more value that the woman carrying it?

You? A religious belief?
Click to expand...

Does your life lose worth if I say it's not worth anything? As far as who's life is more valuable, no one is advocating the involuntary execution of pregnant women so I don't know where you're going with that comparison.
 
Fishking said:
Does your life lose worth if I say it's not worth anything? As far as who's life is more valuable, no one is advocating the involuntary execution of pregnant women so I don't know where you're going with that comparison.
Click to expand...

Of course not, 'value' is subjective.

And who makes strangers or the govt MORE qualified than a woman to decide the value of the unborn inside her? To force pregnancy on her is to value her LESS than the unborn, as you take away her bodily sovereignty, her right to self-determination, even her right to life in some cases.

So...who are you to say that the unborn has more value than she has?
 
Lursa said:
Of course not, 'value' is subjective.

And who makes strangers or the govt MORE qualified than a woman to decide the value of the unborn inside her?
Click to expand...

Yet we have a multitude of laws that protect the life of born humans and I don't see you complaining about those.

To force pregnancy on her is to value her LESS than the unborn, as you take away her bodily sovereignty, her right to self-determination, even her right to life in some cases.

So...who are you to say that the unborn has more value than she has?
Click to expand...

Pregnancy is a temporal condition, death is permanent. You're comparing two unequal things, in other words, it's a false comparison.
 
Fishking said:
Yet we have a multitude of laws that protect the life of born humans and I don't see you complaining about those.
Click to expand...

Why would I complain about those?

Pregnancy is a temporal condition, death is permanent. You're comparing two unequal things, in other words, it's a false comparison.
Click to expand...

No, sometimes pregnancy is a terminal condition. And it's not predictable and death and severe health damage are not preventable. It's not remotely a false comparison because you cannot know who it will effect. So then you cannot force ALL women to take those risks. Well, at least the govt recognizes that, even if you dont.

86,700 women in the US per year die or suffer severe health damage (stroke, kidney failure, aneurysm, diabetes, etc) from pregnancy and childbirth. It's a very significant number, a significant risk for a woman...and her death or disability affects her mother, father, husband, boyfriend, sister, brother, daughter, son, friends, etc. That risk has major significance to every single individual pregnant woman and those that care for her.

For you to minimize this risk...shows exactly how you value women. "If" you minimize it, you value women less than the unborn.

That's fine...alot of pro-life people do. Altho most dont admit it. Myself? Altho I value the unborn, I value all born people more. I admit that.

And the unborn and born cannot be treated equally under the law. It's not possible. Nor ethically either IMO.
 
Last edited:
minnie616 said:
A little bit about Planned Parenthood from the following article:



https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/arti...omens-rights-planned-parenthood-looks-forward
Click to expand...

Republicans have been unbelievably unfair to Planned Parenthood. For instance: I am a volunteer for Susan G. Komen--(breast cancer) and I had to really hold my tongue when a couple stated they stopped donations to the Komen foundation (because they were donating to Planned Parenthood for abortions.) That couldn't be farther from the truth.

Komen gives money to Planned Parenthood for poor women who are referred for mammograms (out of a Planned Parenthood office)--and that money goes to ONLY pay for their mammograms. So the Riech wing of the Republican party put out that Susan G. Komen contributions were going to Planned Parenthood to pay for abortions, and donations dropped off immediately.

They're just stuffed so full of B.S. Planned Parenthood is much more than abortions. Women's wellness checks, lower cost birth control contraceptives, mammograms that are referred out and paid for by Komen. They're there for women who couldn't afford these things.

The one thing that has always astounded me, is that out of all the women they claim have abortions every year, they have yet to produce one single woman that will state that taxpayer dollars paid for hers.

Color-Komen-Planned-parent.jpg


Then the GOP put in their health care bill (that didn't pass) that they were going to defund Planned Parenthood for a year. Who would that hurt? Poor women that were using that money for their wellness checks.
 
Last edited:
Fishking said:
The only ones lying are those lying to themselves saying it isn't so. It's OK...deceive yourself in order to sooth your conscience. It's a very normal human coping mechanism so they can do things they know are wrong. Blacks aren't people, those are Gooks and Nips, not other humans.
Click to expand...

People are people and a fetus is a fetus. Trying to equate the 2 is pointless. Nature aborts far more fetuses than woman do. Do you want to ban nature too?
 
Bassman said:
Hitler said the same thing about the "undesirables" of his day. We lost nearly three generations of Americans thanks to the atrocities of Roe V. Wade. You, and the rest of your Leftist ilk, will stand before God and account for this. The blood of the innocent unborn children is on America's hands. We are ripe for Judgement.
Click to expand...

LOL Your one of those with the unhinged fantasies that have no chance of becoming reality aren't you? I bet I know who you voted for in 2016 too. Don't you just love that he is just like you?
 
year2late said:
You do not think cancer screenings, pre cancer treatment and contraception is valuable?

How about rapid HIV testing?Is that valuable?

What about vasectomy for men that know they dot want to be a father? Is that a valuable service?
Click to expand...

That's all wonderful, that's not the main purpose of Planned Parenthood. It's the country's largest abortion mill that happens to provide other services. All those other things that you speak of, can be done at other providers. Planned Parenthood does not build their facilities in the remote rural areas where there are no other providers. They build them in the metropolitan areas.
 
minnie616 said:
There are 39 Planned Parenthood clinics operating in Texas.

Only five of them perform abortions.

That means 34 Planned Parenthoods in Texas are performing many health services which have nothing to do with abortions.
Click to expand...

Awesome. Great. Now, simple question. Is Planned Parenthood the largest abortion provider in the country? Yes? Then I stand by my position that they are an abortion mill that provides other services, too.
 
Fishking said:
Oh...so if I feel that your life isn't worth anything that makes it so? Interesting.
Click to expand...

I suppose that does make it so to you personally but as a society we set the standard for when rights begin
 
Southern Dad said:
That's all wonderful, that's not the main purpose of Planned Parenthood. It's the country's largest abortion mill that happens to provide other services. All those other things that you speak of, can be done at other providers. Planned Parenthood does not build their facilities in the remote rural areas where there are no other providers. They build them in the metropolitan areas.
Click to expand...

Mills make grain. Abortion is a legal business. I hope they make a billion
 
Southern Dad said:
Hello Wonder Woman, why can't a person be pro-abortion but still call it what it is, the snuffing out of an unborn life. That doesn't mean that I don't want it to happen.
Click to expand...

In a perfectly legal procedure
 
Southern Dad said:
That's all wonderful, that's not the main purpose of Planned Parenthood. It's the country's largest abortion mill that happens to provide other services. All those other things that you speak of, can be done at other providers. Planned Parenthood does not build their facilities in the remote rural areas where there are no other providers. They build them in the metropolitan areas.
Click to expand...

Baloney ....
Planned Parenthood is the number one provider of Title X services.
Many doctors and other clinics will not accept Medicaid patients.
Over 2.4 million men, women and young people use Planned Parenthood services every year.
That means over 2 million people receive services at Planned Parenthood every year that have nothing to do with abortions.
 
Last edited:
Southern Dad said:
Planned Parenthood is known for one thing, they are the largest abortion provider in the country. You can't dispute that.
Click to expand...

Than why do over 2 million men, women and young people go to Planned Parenthoods every year for health services that have nothing to do with abortions?
 
Southern Dad said:
Awesome. Great. Now, simple question. Is Planned Parenthood the largest abortion provider in the country? Yes? Then I stand by my position that they are an abortion mill that provides other services, too.
Click to expand...

Planned Parenthood is a very large organization and has 56 independent local affiliates that operate more than 600 health centers throughout the United States, providing high-quality services to women, men, and teens.

Actually about 3/5 ( a majority ) of our nations abortions are provided by private doctors , hospitals , and other ( not Planned Parenthood ) health clinics.
 
Between the years 2008 and 2011 Abortion rates fell 13 percent.
This was acolompished mostly because women were using birth control more consistanly ( over 62 percent of US women of child bearing years use birth control consistently and that does not include those who cannot become pregnant due to a medical condition or procedure.) Also more women were using long term birth control which has a much lower failure rate than the birth control pill or the male condom.

BTW:
The number of abortion clinics only fell by 1 percent between those years.
 
Southern Dad said:
That's all wonderful, that's not the main purpose of Planned Parenthood. It's the country's largest abortion mill that happens to provide other services. All those other things that you speak of, can be done at other providers. Planned Parenthood does not build their facilities in the remote rural areas where there are no other providers. They build them in the metropolitan areas.
Click to expand...

Have you ever been to a county clinic in a major metropolitan area? Time between getting an appointment and going can be long...and once you get there you can wait hours for your SCHEDULED appointment. My friends daughter ploughed through the county system. They called her a month later to come back for a positive PAP smear, Everything was waiting. She was without insurance (but too "rich" for medicaid) She was freaking out at the possibility of cancer growing in her body, She was told by her provider to try Planned Parenthood. She did. They had the further investigation of the positive PAP smear and treatment of her precancerous lesions in progress before she would have even had a follow up with the county.

You want to push women towards a county system that is already massively overburdened in many areas.
 
minnie616 said:
Baloney ....
Planned Parenthood is the number one provider of Title X services.
Many doctors and other clinics will not accept Medicaid patients.
Over 2.4 million men, women and young people use Planned Parenthood services every year.
That means over 2 million people receive services at Planned Parenthood every year that have nothing to do with abortions.
Click to expand...

My brother was dying in the county system. Everything was too much too little too late. He needed an actual primary care provider to navigate his care through a non county system. It took him over a year to get a medicaid MD that was reasonably close. Most "options" were 4 cities away.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom