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california proposal to make abortion first degree murder

Bucky said:
This is a classic deflection tactic used by the left.

If you want to preach equality, you also need to preach responsibility as well. Women can't just be slinging out their vagina on the streets.
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Ahhhh, slut shaming.

Expected no less.

Improve availability and accessibility and safety of contraception for women....and developing such contraception for men.

Best tactic for decreasing abortions.

And frankly, if you cared about the health and safety of women, you should be similarly be concerned with the serious risk of damage a pregnancy can do to a body.

At least with birth control (especially hormonal) a woman can discuss risks based on the woman's medical history (smoker, weight issues, family history, physical problems) and try to avoid unwanted side effects. Pregnancy in a healthy woman can turn on a dime. Did for me. It is a discussion between a woman and her healthcare provider. Not some random individual.
 
Bucky said:
year2late assumes humans are slaves to their hormones and shouldn't be responsible for giving into their primal urges.

Yet she is probably the first person that wants to castrate a man for cheating on his wife.
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I assume no such thing.

Women and men have the choice to decide if and when they wish to have sex.

Castrating a man for cheating on his wife? Why do you make up such crap. It lacks decorum.:2razz:
 
year2late said:
Ahhhh, slut shaming.

Expected no less.

Improve availability and accessibility and safety of contraception for women....and developing such contraception for men. The best tactic for decreasing abortions.
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You mean the contraceptions that poison men and women? Give me a break. I guess if your tactic is decreasing abortions is by killing life, mission solved.

And frankly, if you cared about the health and safety of women, you should be similarly be concerned with the serious risk of damage a pregnancy can do to a body.
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Of course, many women gain some weight after pregnancy. Stretch marks and fat can be removed through exercise and healthy eating.
 
year2late said:
And frankly, if you cared about the health and safety of women, you should be similarly be concerned with the serious risk of damage a pregnancy can do to a body.
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Getting pregnant is a choice. People can choose to risk hurting themselves if they want.
 
graeme104 said:
Getting pregnant is a choice. People can choose to risk hurting themselves if they want.
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You are giving year2late a lot more credit than she deserves. The wording of her statement was much vainer and vapid.

She meant women shouldn't have to go through the horror of gaining weight, gaining stretch marks and losing their figure. She finds an abortion an acceptable measure for a woman so she can maintain her body.
 
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graeme104 said:
Getting pregnant is a choice. People can choose to risk hurting themselves if they want.
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And choosing to remain pregnant is a choice as well. See how that works?
 
Bucky said:
You are giving year2late a lot more credit than she deserves. The wording of her statement was much vainer and vapid.

She meant women shouldn't have to go through the horror of gaining weight, gaining stretch marks and losing their figure. She finds an abortion an acceptable measure for a woman so she can maintain her body.
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That is YOUR idea of being pregnant.

I expected no more from you.

My pregnancy included 2 potentially life threatening issues and surgery totally unrelated to those issues. Stretch marks were the last of my concerns.

But thanks for showing us what you really think women are worried about with pregnancy.:lamo
 
graeme104 said:
If you choose to kill someone, you also have to face the consequences for that action. See how that works?
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Yes, if I murder a person....I expect to pay the consequences. If I end a pregnancy, the consequences are my own.
 
year2late said:
That is YOUR idea of being pregnant.

I expected no more from you.

My pregnancy included 2 potentially life threatening issues and surgery totally unrelated to those issues. Stretch marks were the last of my concerns.

But thanks for showing us what you really think women are worried about with pregnancy.:lamo
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I'm justing quoting you when you said the horrors pregnancy causes on a woman's body. If you didn't mean it, you wouldn't have said it.
 
Bucky said:
Unborn = humans = people.
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Incorrect. Personhood is a status bestowed by society. In my society, it is bestowed upon live birth. It's not that hard of a concept to understand.



Also, an abortion is the murder of a fetus.
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Once again, incorrect. Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a person by a person. Abortion is legal and the zef is not a person.


Just as if you were going to shoot/hunt an animal, that is murder unless you plan on eating the animal for food.
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A hat trick. Incorrect yet again. Murder does not apply to the killing of animals.
 
Bucky said:
You mean the contraceptions that poison men and women? Give me a break. I guess if your tactic is decreasing abortions is by killing life, mission solved.



Of course, many women gain some weight after pregnancy. Stretch marks and fat can be removed through exercise and healthy eating.
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Your idea of pregnancy causing a threat to a woman's body is weight gain and stretch marks?:roll:

Those are nuisances.

Ohhhh Bucky........:lamo
 
Scrabaholic said:
Incorrect. Personhood is a status bestowed by society. In my society, it is bestowed upon live birth. It's not that hard of a concept to understand.

Once again, incorrect. Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a person by a person. Abortion is legal and the zef is not a person.

A hat trick. Incorrect yet again. Murder does not apply to the killing of animals.
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Humans = animals. Are you denying humans are mammals?
 
graeme104 said:
Having a child isn't a punishment, it is a blessing. If you don't want a baby, then don't have sex.
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Or, we can have sex and abort if we get pregnant. It's none of your business.


Many women do not consider it a blessing.
 
graeme104 said:
If you choose to kill someone, you also have to face the consequences for that action. See how that works?
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Killing someone is illegal, unless done in self defense or defense of others. Nobody is trying to change that.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Non human animals are not persons.
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1. You didn't answer the questions which apparently means you skipped out on your high school biology classes.

2. Nonhumans are protected under the law as well. If you shoot and kill my cat, you can be prosecuted and criminalized.
 
year2late said:
Yes, if I murder a person....I expect to pay the consequences. If I end a pregnancy, the consequences are my own.
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Ending a pregnancy causes the death of an unborn baby. That should be counted as murder.
 
graeme104 said:
To respond to your first point, an unborn baby is not part of a woman's body.

And your second point is moot because if abortions were criminalized, people would have the sense to not sleep around and create unwanted children that then have to go on child support. And if they don't then they pay for their decision. End of story.
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Scrabaholic said:
Which is why abortions are just as prevalent where illegal as they are where legal, eh?
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Actually, countries that ban have a higher abortion rate than the countries where abortions are legal.
 
Bucky said:
You mean the contraceptions that poison men and women? Give me a break. I guess if your tactic is decreasing abortions is by killing life, mission solved.



Of course, many women gain some weight after pregnancy. Stretch marks and fat can be removed through exercise and healthy eating.
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Do you think that kidney damage, liver damage, stroke, heart attack, paralysis from the neck down, etc. can all be removed through exercise and healthy eating too?
 
Bucky said:
1. You didn't answer the questions which apparently means you skipped out on your high school biology classes.
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I don't answer stupid questions.


2. Nonhumans are protected under the law as well. If you shoot and kill my cat, you can be prosecuted and criminalized.
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Not for murder.
 
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