40 Days for Life campaign 9-27-11-5[W:9]***

A 40 Days for Life campaign is a 40-day prayer and fasting effort focused on ending elective abortion through prayerful vigil. For those who are pro-life and interested: https://40daysforlife.com/browse-campaigns/

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I believe this is one mode of action that no pro-choice person has a problem with in the slightest.

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Gonzo Rodeo said:

I believe this is one mode of action that no pro-choice person has a problem with in the slightest.

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I have absolutely no problem with it.

It is sady just relatively ineffectual.

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Want to end abortion? If you do, the first thing you must do is pray. Prayer is at the center of 40 Days for Life. During each campaign, we are calling on people of faith across the nation … and around the world … to fall on their knees before the Lord, asking Him to hear our plea and heal our land. Pray outside an abortion facility. Pray at church. Pray at work. Pray in the car. Pray at home with your family.

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Go for it.

Go big or go home.

Pray like there's no tomorrow.

Don't stop at 40 days either. Do it the rest of your life.

Knock yourself out.

People of faith are also invited to fast throughout 40 Days for Life. Christ said there are demons that can only be driven out by prayer and fasting. A fast is not a Christian diet; it is a powerful means of drawing closer to God by blocking out distractions. Fast from certain foods. Fast from television. Fast from apathy and indifference. Fast from whatever it is that separates you from God.

We believe that when God’s people fast with a broken, repentant and contrite spirit, our heavenly Father will hear from heaven and heal our lives, our churches, our communities, our nation, and our world.

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Don't be afraid to "fast" from the internet too.

:mrgreen:

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Dragonfly said:

Go for it.

Go big or go home.

Pray like there's no tomorrow.

Don't stop at 40 days either. Do it the rest of your life.

Knock yourself out.



Don't be afraid to "fast" from the internet too.

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The more earnest prayer, the better. Good advice here.

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What if there are more people praying to keep abortion legal, than praying to make it illegal?

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Dragonfly said:

What if there are more people praying to keep abortion legal, than praying to make it illegal?

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Whoops.

Like Minnie so often repeats...not all religions (let alone Christian religions) are against abortion.

I will pray for improved long term birth control that is safer, cheaper, and more accessible. I will give more emphatic prayer for the development of safe long term birth control for men.

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Dragonfly said:

What if there are more people praying to keep abortion legal, than praying to make it illegal?

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Then some evil gods must be getting a lot of soma.

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Gonzo Rodeo said:

I believe this is one mode of action that no pro-choice person has a problem with in the slightest.

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Agreed!

nobody should have a problem with it really because it doesn't effect anybody in anyway.

Of course NOT for this issue because my line in the sand is closer to equal rights (though they cant be achieved)with more focus on women than it is away from equal rights and more focus on ZEFs but Ive been involved in stuff like this myself, regardless to each their own and things like this make people happy.

nota bene said:

A 40 Days for Life campaign is a 40-day prayer and fasting effort focused on ending elective abortion through prayerful vigil. For those who are pro-life and interested: https://40daysforlife.com/browse-campaigns/

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I hope those morons really do go without food for forty days, that would be awesome. The struggle for women's rights would benefit greatly by that sort of "activism". The prayer is, of course, inconsequential for effecting real change but I truly believe the starvation could be good for this country.

Hey, maybe we can get the Klan to go on a hunger strike too, until the Jews and blacks deport themselves. No, really, I think you're on to something here. There's a lot of potential here to create a real change in American politics. Through starvation and futile acts of communication with the divine, the perpetually nonsensical right wing could redeem themselves one thin casket at a time.

D_NATURED said:

I hope those morons really do go without food for forty days, that would be awesome. The struggle for women's rights would benefit greatly by that sort of "activism". The prayer is, of course, inconsequential for effecting real change but I truly believe the starvation could be good for this country.

Hey, maybe we can get the Klan to go on a hunger strike too, until the Jews and blacks deport themselves. No, really, I think you're on to something here. There's a lot of potential here to create a real change in American politics. Through starvation and futile acts of communication with the divine, the perpetually nonsensical right wing could redeem themselves one thin casket at a time.

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Never even mind your only partial understanding of fasting, wishing death to others who don't share your disbelief is sad.

The great news is that what began on the sidewalk of a town most people have never heard of is now a worldwide movement that grows with every 40 Days for Life campaign.

nota bene said:

Never even mind your only partial understanding of fasting, wishing death to others who don't share your disbelief is sad.

The great news is that what began on the sidewalk of a town most people have never heard of is now a worldwide movement that grows with every 40 Days for Life campaign.

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First of all, it is their subjugation of women and not their stupid faith that I find offensive. Secondly, I never said that all of the self-righteous misogynists lived in the US. That a dumb idea goes worldwide is no surprise. If your philosophical allies are in Saudi Arabia, that would be nothing to brag about.

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First of all, it is their subjugation of women and not their stupid faith that I find offensive. Secondly, I never said that all of the self-righteous misogynists lived in the US. That a dumb idea goes worldwide is no surprise. If your philosophical allies are in Saudi Arabia, that would be nothing to brag about.

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Let’s see—you’ve already said that those who peacefully and prayerfully protest should starve themselves to death. I’ve always thought that the diversity of opinions and beliefs in this country should be celebrated, but here you are saying outright that the deaths of those with whom you disagree “could be good for the country.” How “enlightened.”

I’m not sure who your “their” is above, but I don’t want women to be subjugated, and I’m not self-loathing. Oh, and I am also not a member of the KKK. Trying to draw a comparison to women in the West and those in Saudia Arabia is pathetically weak but not surprising coming from someone who proclaims that prayer to end elective abortions is “dumb” and who thinks that those who don’t see things as he does should starve themselves to death.

nota bene said:

Let’s see—you’ve already said that those who peacefully and prayerfully protest should starve themselves to death.

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No, what they SHOULD do is get a life of their own and quit treating fetuses like people and women like murderers.

I’ve always thought that the diversity of opinions and beliefs in this country should be celebrated, but here you are saying outright that the deaths of those with whom you disagree “could be good for the country.” How “enlightened.”

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Diversity of opinion is not what the pro-life movement is about. They are about CRIMINALIZING various forms of birth control which, objectively, leads to dead women. So, while I appreciate your attempt at re-framing reality to suit your argument, it is a flawed one. Diversity of opinion is fine when we don't have the facts. The jury is in, though, on choice and, without it, women are victims of the stupid faith of others.

It's not lost on me that you use the phrase "diversity" of opinion, as if half the people being wrong is the same as half of them being white or black. There is nothing diverse about the opinions of pro-lifers, they are just hysterical feto-philes who use their religion as an excuse for opinions that lack humanity. Their faith is their excuse for ignoring that women deserve life first.

I’m not sure who your “their” is above, but I don’t want women to be subjugated, and I’m not self-loathing. Oh, and I am also not a member of the KKK. Trying to draw a comparison to women in the West and those in Saudia Arabia is pathetically weak but not surprising coming from someone who proclaims that prayer to end elective abortions is “dumb” and who thinks that those who don’t see things as he does should starve themselves to death.

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The prayers of Saudi men have already been answered. Maybe the American pro-lifers are praying to the wrong deity. Obviously, you missed the point that anti-abortion laws are ONLY championed by religious fanatics on this planet because they have excused themselves, perpetually, from having to make sense. Praying to end elective abortions, if that's how the pro-life side actually attempted to end them, would be fine with me because it is certain to fail. This country runs on democracy and representative government and no sky daddy can alter its course without those same fanatics going to the voting booth. So, if some of those idiots want to starve themselves to death, they can have at it. At least in that case, their death is a choice they made and not the result of some magical mandate by self-appointed spokespersons for Jesus.

Get it? Probably not.

D_NATURED said:

No, what they SHOULD do is get a life of their own and quit treating fetuses like people and women like murderers.



Diversity of opinion is not what the pro-life movement is about. They are about CRIMINALIZING various forms of birth control which, objectively, leads to dead women.

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You say birth control leads to dead women.\

Do you think that pregnancy leads to dead women?

DO you think that the numbers of dead women would increase if she had substandard access to health care?


Do you think that the numbers of dead women would increase if they were part of the working poor and choosing work (to pay rent etc) over some of their OB visits?

year2late said:

You say birth control leads to dead women.\

Do you think that pregnancy leads to dead women?

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Far too often it does. The difference is that in the case of abortion being illegal, the risk of pregnancy is forced upon a woman. When she takes the risk willingly, it's on her.

DO you think that the numbers of dead women would increase if she had substandard access to health care?

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Yes, the numbers in the third world and poor parts of the US prove that.

Do you think that the numbers of dead women would increase if they were part of the working poor and choosing work (to pay rent etc) over some of their OB visits?

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Yes, I think that's also true. This thread is about praying for women to be forced, by law, to give birth to any unwanted pregnancy, though, which is a cruel thing to pray or vote for. If the faithful really believe their prayers effect change, they should be more responsible with that power and, instead of praying for ways to legally subjugate women, they should pray for the existing children of this planet to receive the nutrition, healthcare and education they deserve. And, when they get to the voting booth, the place where the things they pray for are forced into law, they should consider the type of slavery for women for which they advocate.

Abortion is only an issue in this country because unreasonable, self-serving faith demands it. Morality, medical science and human decency are not part of the equation.

D_NATURED said:

No, what they SHOULD do is get a life of their own and quit treating fetuses like people and women like murderers.

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I do have a life of my own and want only for those who have already been conceived to have lives of their own too.

D_NATURED said:

Diversity of opinion is not what the pro-life movement is about. They are about CRIMINALIZING various forms of birth control which, objectively, leads to dead women. So, while I appreciate your attempt at re-framing reality to suit your argument, it is a flawed one. Diversity of opinion is fine when we don't have the facts. The jury is in, though, on choice and, without it, women are victims of the stupid faith of others.

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First, you're deliberately misinterpreting what I said. I was speaking about diversity of opinions vis-à-vis pro-life and pro-choice. You knew this, of course.

Second, I am not trying to “reframe reality”; my beliefs simply differ from yours, and you find this intolerable. But that’s okay. I find your way of thinking bizarre—I really can’t wrap my mind around a statement such as that “Diversity is fine when we don’t have all the facts” and can conclude only that you don’t understand the difference between fact and opinion. The “jury” is not, in fact, “in” on choice. (What “jury” anyway? The jury of you?)

D_NATURED said:

It's not lost on me that you use the phrase "diversity" of opinion, as if half the people being wrong is the same as half of them being white or black. There is nothing diverse about the opinions of pro-lifers, they are just hysterical feto-philes who use their religion as an excuse for opinions that lack humanity. Their faith is their excuse for ignoring that women deserve life first.

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Your opinion is that I am wrong. My faith isn’t an “excuse” for anything, and my belief in the sanctity of all human life doesn’t “lack humanity”; it includes fetuses as members of the human family.

D_NATURED said:

The prayers of Saudi men have already been answered. Maybe the American pro-lifers are praying to the wrong deity. Obviously, you missed the point that anti-abortion laws are ONLY championed by religious fanatics on this planet because they have excused themselves, perpetually, from having to make sense.

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Why do you need to insult those who don’t share your opinions? And why do you make the false statement that “ONLY” the “religious fanatics” are pro-life? You're dissembling in denying that as well as people of faith, there are those who are secularists who are pro-life:

secularprolife
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D_NATURED said:

Praying to end elective abortions, if that's how the pro-life side actually attempted to end them, would be fine with me because it is certain to fail. This country runs on democracy and representative government and no sky daddy can alter its course without those same fanatics going to the voting booth. So, if some of those idiots want to starve themselves to death, they can have at it. At least in that case, their death is a choice they made and not the result of some magical mandate by self-appointed spokespersons for Jesus.

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Yes, praying and silent witness is what the 40 Days for Life campaigns are all about. I would suggest that you take a look at the link in my OP. Those who support the 40 Days for Life campaign believe that they are saving lives. Whether you think so or not, they do think this, and they share what they regard as life-saving victories on their site.

Your being unable to tolerate an opinion that differs from yours, your need to call others “morons” and “idiots” and "fanatics," and your expressed hope that people like me starve themselves to death suggests to me that you’ve a timber in your own eye. But let's be reasonable here--do you really think that those who bother to bestir themselves and pray in front of abortion clinics don't also vote?

D_NATURED said:

Get it? Probably not.

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Sure, I get it. I read snide and contemptuous pretty well. Telling me or others who are pro-life to “get a life” is funnier than you apparently realize.

nota bene said:

I do have a life of my own and want only for those who have already been conceived to have lives of their own too.

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As long as the previously conceived still pose an unpredictable, existential threat to a woman, they have no right to expect a life of their own. That "life" will NEVER begin until they are born and, until they are, they are at the mercy of whatever whim their host decides. Anything else is religious tyranny.

First, you're deliberately misinterpreting what I said. I was speaking about diversity of opinions vis-à-vis pro-life and pro-choice. You knew this, of course.

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You said it so I knew it, yes. I think you miss MY point, which is that there is no "diversity of opinion" on what two plus two is. Anyone who thinks it's seven is not respected for their diverse opinion, they are called dumb or crazy, even if their religion declares that sum to be seven. Similarly, the facts of what pregnancy are and who bears the risk thereof is not a matter for diverse opinions, it is empirical reality. One that there is an unfortunate effort by the religious community to redefine from a fetal perspective. They do that, turning reality on its head, because it ultimately entitles them to control women, a group that are woefully oppressed worldwide by the consumers of gospel.

So, when I say that your "diverse" opinion is dumb, what I mean is that it is in conflict with reality and, other than with religion, that sort of diversity is not coddled in people.

Second, I am not trying to “reframe reality”; my beliefs simply differ from yours, and you find this intolerable. But that’s okay. I find your way of thinking bizarre—I really can’t wrap my mind around a statement such as that “Diversity is fine when we don’t have all the facts” and can conclude only that you don’t understand the difference between fact and opinion. The “jury” is not, in fact, “in” on choice. (What “jury” anyway? The jury of you?)

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The jury ruling is evident by the way that EVERY progressive, first world society operates. So, your diverse opinion diverges from what civility demands everywhere it exists. You know, there was a process of debate that preceded not just Roe V Wade but every abortion rights law around the world. I guarantee that you would not be able to defend your position without using faith, as everywhere that faith is not accepted as an argument is very on board with women's rights to choose abortion.

Your opinion is that I am wrong. My faith isn’t an “excuse” for anything, and my belief in the sanctity of all human life doesn’t “lack humanity”; it includes fetuses as members of the human family.

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If you define human life and assign it "sanctity" based upon faith, you have already ****ed up. I don't have faith and if life is naturally sacred then mine is as sacred as yours. The lives of women are also sacred and they should not have to risk theirs to satisfy your jesus-centric opinions. Pregnant women also have a right to free religion and their religion may not think abortion is wrong. Capiche?

Why do you need to insult those who don’t share your opinions? And why do you make the false statement that “ONLY” the “religious fanatics” are pro-life? You're dissembling in denying that as well as people of faith, there are those who are secularists who are pro-life:

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Being a secularist doesn't mean you have no faith, it means you think the government shouldn't prefer one over others. Furthermore, the secular, humanist, pro-life contingent is extremely small and fails on many of the same arguments as the religious do. The primary failure being a failure to acknowledge that pregnancy is unpredictably fatal to women and, even when not fatal, can harm them for life.

Yes, praying and silent witness is what the 40 Days for Life campaigns are all about. I would suggest that you take a look at the link in my OP. Those who support the 40 Days for Life campaign believe that they are saving lives. Whether you think so or not, they do think this, and they share what they regard as life-saving victories on their site.

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They aren't saving lives, they're enslaving women. If only their witnessing were silent, it might be better.

Your being unable to tolerate an opinion that differs from yours, your need to call others “morons” and “idiots” and "fanatics," and your expressed hope that people like me starve themselves to death suggests to me that you’ve a timber in your own eye. But let's be reasonable here--do you really think that those who bother to bestir themselves and pray in front of abortion clinics don't also vote?

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No, I already said they vote and THAT is where the real harm is done. They take the stupid ideas they dream up in prayer and attempt to mold our shared reality to its fabricated righteousness. I don't desire that they starve to death but I would prefer that to the entitled religious imposition of death upon women.

Sure, I get it. I read snide and contemptuous pretty well. Telling me or others who are pro-life to “get a life” is funnier than you apparently realize.

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Yeah, I should have asked you to value other's lives without them living as YOUR god demands, but that's a lot to ask of fanatics.

nota bene said:

I do have a life of my own and want only for those who have already been conceived to have lives of their own too.



First, you're deliberately misinterpreting what I said. I was speaking about diversity of opinions vis-à-vis pro-life and pro-choice. You knew this, of course.

Second, I am not trying to “reframe reality”; my beliefs simply differ from yours, and you find this intolerable. But that’s okay. I find your way of thinking bizarre—I really can’t wrap my mind around a statement such as that “Diversity is fine when we don’t have all the facts” and can conclude only that you don’t understand the difference between fact and opinion. The “jury” is not, in fact, “in” on choice. (What “jury” anyway? The jury of you?)



Your opinion is that I am wrong. My faith isn’t an “excuse” for anything, and my belief in the sanctity of all human life doesn’t “lack humanity”; it includes fetuses as members of the human family.



Why do you need to insult those who don’t share your opinions? And why do you make the false statement that “ONLY” the “religious fanatics” are pro-life? You're dissembling in denying that as well as people of faith, there are those who are secularists who are pro-life:

secularprolife
About Pro-Life Humanists - Pro-Life Humanists



Yes, praying and silent witness is what the 40 Days for Life campaigns are all about. I would suggest that you take a look at the link in my OP. Those who support the 40 Days for Life campaign believe that they are saving lives. Whether you think so or not, they do think this, and they share what they regard as life-saving victories on their site.

Your being unable to tolerate an opinion that differs from yours, your need to call others “morons” and “idiots” and "fanatics," and your expressed hope that people like me starve themselves to death suggests to me that you’ve a timber in your own eye. But let's be reasonable here--do you really think that those who bother to bestir themselves and pray in front of abortion clinics don't also vote?



Sure, I get it. I read snide and contemptuous pretty well. Telling me or others who are pro-life to “get a life” is funnier than you apparently realize.

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I guess you blew the "silent witness" with this thread.

d0gbreath said:

I guess you blew the "silent witness" with this thread.

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Right...because creating a thread about the upcoming 40 Days for Life Campaign is exactly like standing publicly in front of an abortion clinic and silently and prayerfully protesting. :roll:

D_NATURED said:

The jury ruling is evident by the way that EVERY progressive, first world society operates. So, your diverse opinion diverges from what civility demands everywhere it exists. You know, there was a process of debate that preceded not just Roe V Wade but every abortion rights law around the world. I guarantee that you would not be able to defend your position without using faith, as everywhere that faith is not accepted as an argument is very on board with women's rights to choose abortion.

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The bandwagon appeal--everybody's doing it--doesn't really work for me, nor does your "what civility demands." My having an opinion contrary to yours is not uncivil. I don't really have much interest in defending my position; I don't think it requires a defense. I just occasionally like to express my position.

D_NATURED said:

If you define human life and assign it "sanctity" based upon faith, you have already ****ed up. I don't have faith and if life is naturally sacred then mine is as sacred as yours. The lives of women are also sacred and they should not have to risk theirs to satisfy your jesus-centric opinions. Pregnant women also have a right to free religion and their religion may not think abortion is wrong. Capiche?

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And speaking of what civility requires....

I've never mentioned Jesus. Why did you bring Him into our conversation? Have you not noticed that I haven't spoken of my faith at all (and don't intend to either)?

I can certainly agree that your life is as sacred as is mine or someone’s who is on death row. “All human life” means exactly that--all, and human worth is not on a sliding scale. Either each one of us is valuable, or none of us is. And I think that all human life is valuable—sacred because each one of us was uniquely created. And being uniquely created, sir, is a biological fact, not a religious belief.

You're virulently anti-religion, and I get that. But you are ignoring natural law.

D_NATURED said:

Being a secularist doesn't mean you have no faith, it means you think the government shouldn't prefer one over others. Furthermore, the secular, humanist, pro-life contingent is extremely small and fails on many of the same arguments as the religious do. The primary failure being a failure to acknowledge that pregnancy is unpredictably fatal to women and, even when not fatal, can harm them for life.

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Being an atheist and pro-life makes sense to me: If you think this life is it, how much more so should you treasure all human life. And size doesn't matter; I can always hope that reason will prevail. :mrgreen:

But thanks for the smile; I always love it when a man tries to school me on the various outcomes of pregnancy and how "even when not fatal, can harm them for life." :doh

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They aren't saving lives, they're enslaving women. If only their witnessing were silent, it might be better.

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No, D_NATURED, people standing in front of a clinic and praying are not enslaving women.

D_NATURED said:

No, I already said they vote and THAT is where the real harm is done. They take the stupid ideas they dream up in prayer and attempt to mold our shared reality to its fabricated righteousness. I don't desire that they starve to death but I would prefer that to the entitled religious imposition of death upon women.

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Thank goodness each one of us has a vote. I’m glad you have yours and feel sorry for you that you begrudge me mine. I believe in democracy. I hope very much for more and more of my fellow citizens to grow to respect all human life because this would change the world. You wish to suppress my vote.

D_NATURED said:

Yeah, I should have asked you to value other's lives without them living as YOUR god demands, but that's a lot to ask of fanatics.

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I'm not a fanatic. I don't even need to call people with whose opinions I disagree "morons," "imbeciles," or other any of the other epithets and insults you yourself choose to use.

nota bene said:

Right...because creating a thread about the upcoming 40 Days for Life Campaign is exactly like standing publicly in front of an abortion clinic and silently and prayerfully protesting. :roll:

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Is that really what you imagine happens when the pro-life mob descends upon those desperate young women? Again, your version of reality is askew. What they really do is not silently pray or silently protest. They abuse and insult and defame women and that's why there are volunteer escorts who accompany the women to and from the clinic.

What a rich imagination you have that not only proclaims fetuses to be actualized humans but, more astonishingly, imagines pro-life abortion protesters to be silent and prayerful. You are writing your posts on the planet Earth, right? Just checking.