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Some Misconceptions On The Sperm's Contribution To The Zygote

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I have noticed that, in another thread, some posters were trying to justify the atrocious misnomer of "fertilized egg", referring to a zygote, by claiming that, while the entire egg cell remains and contributes to the zygote, not all of the sperm cell fertilizes the egg, during the process of fertilization. This is just flat-out untrue. First of all, the entire sperm enters the egg during fertilization, including even the midpiece of the sperm, which contains the mitochondria of the sperm. That's right, zygotes and early embryos have paternal mitochondria, although they are later removed via a substance called ubiquitin, explaining why they are usually not present after birth (although there are rare cases of adults who have retained paternal mitochondria). (SOURCE: http://m.pnas.org/content/93/24/13859.full.pdf).

Also, a user has claimed on some thread that the sperm only contributes half of the contents of the nucleus of the zygote, whereas the egg contributes everything else. This is utterly and patently untrue. First of all, the paternal pronucleus (the nucleus from the sperm) actually tends to be a bit larger than the maternal pronucleus (the nucleus from the egg) in most zygotes. Second of all, the sperm contributes more than just its nucleus to the zygote. It contributes its plasma membrane, which fuses to that of the egg, its cytoplasm, containing many RNA's, and, most crucially, a very important cell organelle called the centrosome, containing two structures called centrioles, which, in most species (with the exception of rats and mice) is contributed only by the father, as egg cells do not have them. The centrosome creates the cytoskeleton of the cell, mainly microtubules, although it has also been shown that it appears to create the other two types of cytoskeletal proteins, actin filaments and intermediate filaments, as well. The microtubules synthesized, or nucleated, by the centrosome form a structure called the mitotic spindle, which segregates chromosomes on either pole of the cell in preparation for cell division during the process of mitosis.

In fact, in the zygote, the microtubules formed from the paternal centrosome emanate outwards from it, and pull the maternal pronucleus and the paternal pronucleus together, causing them to merge, in a process known as syngamy, causing the zygote's genetic material to be enclosed within one nuclear compartment, rather than two.

Furthermore, studies seem to show that paternal RNA's and chemicals transmitted from the sperm to the zygote can transmit epigenetic paternal phenotypes to the offspring, furnishing indisputable proof of what is already known to anyone who has done the faintest job of acquainting themselves with the biology of fertilization: that the sperm obviously contributes much more than just its nucleus to the zygote.
 
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What is your point? Clear and concise please.:2wave:
 
What is your point? Clear and concise please.:2wave:

Seems to be to clarify a misconception many, including you, have about embryology.
 
Seems to be to clarify a misconception many, including you, have about embryology.

To what point?

I am asking how does calling it a "fertilized egg" vs zygote impact the abortion discussion?

BTW we call it zygote all the time.

ZEF - are you confused what Z stands for? Hint....it is not Zamboni.;)

I get ten points if you say ZEF is a bigoted slur within 15 minutes
 
To what point?

I am asking how does calling it a "fertilized egg" vs zygote impact the abortion discussion?

BTW we call it zygote all the time.

ZEF - are you confused what Z stands for? Hint....it is not Zamboni.;)

I get ten points if you say ZEF is a bigoted slur within 15 minutes

Baiting by posting hatemongering slurs - no points for you - proves my point.

People like you need an education in the relevant medical / biological facts, as you say idiotic nonsense like the two above offenses.
 
Seems to be to clarify a misconception many, including you, have about embryology.

What misconception and who is many? i bet what ever you answer is its factually untrue and you cant support it with any facts that make it true. :)
 
Baiting by posting hatemongering slurs - no points for you - proves my point.

People like you need an education in the relevant medical / biological facts, as you say idiotic nonsense like the two above offenses.
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It was not baiting, you are proving my point. We use the acronym for zygote, embryo, and fetus and you have a tantrum,

But I will ask again....in the context of the abortion debates seen on this board...how does using the term fertilized egg vs zygote (or ZEF) actually change the content of the debate.

It is the debate equivalent of when you start complaining about spelling errors and ignore the substance of the debate...you lose.

But I will take half credit for my prediction.
 
to what point?

I am asking how does calling it a "fertilized egg" vs zygote impact the abortion discussion?

Btw we call it zygote all the time.

Zef - are you confused what z stands for? Hint....it is not zamboni.;)

i get ten points if you say zef is a bigoted slur within 15 minutes

points granted!!!!! Lmao
 
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It was not baiting, you are proving my point. We use the acronym for zygote, embryo, and fetus and you have a tantrum,

But I will ask again....in the context of the abortion debates seen on this board...how does using the term fertilized egg vs zygote (or ZEF) actually change the content of the debate.

It is the debate equivalent of when you start complaining about spelling errors and ignore the substance of the debate...you lose.

But I will take half credit for my prediction.

it factually doesnt

and fertilized egg is common term used throughout the medical community, this fact was already proven many times with links :D
Anybody claiming its not is factually wrong.
 
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I have noticed that, in another thread, some posters were trying to justify the atrocious misnomer of "fertilized egg", referring to a zygote, by claiming that, while the entire egg cell remains and contributes to the zygote, not all of the sperm cell fertilizes the egg, during the process of fertilization. This is just flat-out untrue. First of all, the entire sperm enters the egg during fertilization, including even the midpiece of the sperm, which contains the mitochondria of the sperm. That's right, zygotes and early embryos have paternal mitochondria, although they are later removed via a substance called ubiquitin, explaining why they are usually not present after birth (although there are rare cases of adults who have retained paternal mitochondria). (SOURCE: http://m.pnas.org/content/93/24/13859.full.pdf).

Also, a user has claimed on some thread that the sperm only contributes half of the contents of the nucleus of the zygote, whereas the egg contributes everything else. This is utterly and patently untrue. First of all, the paternal pronucleus (the nucleus from the sperm) actually tends to be a bit larger than the maternal pronucleus (the nucleus from the egg) in most zygotes. Second of all, the sperm contributes more than just its nucleus to the zygote. It contributes its plasma membrane, which fuses to that of the egg, its cytoplasm, containing many RNA's, and, most crucially, a very important cell organelle called the centrosome, containing two structures called centrioles, which, in most species (with the exception of rats and mice) is contributed only by the father, as egg cells do not have them. The centrosome creates the cytoskeleton of the cell, mainly microtubules, although it has also been shown that it appears to create the other two types of cytoskeletal proteins, actin filaments and intermediate filaments, as well. The microtubules synthesized, or nucleated, by the centrosome form a structure called the mitotic spindle, which segregates chromosomes on either pole of the cell in preparation for cell division during the process of mitosis.

In fact, in the zygote, the microtubules formed from the paternal centrosome emanate outwards from it, and pull the maternal pronucleus and the paternal pronucleus together, causing them to merge, in a process known as syngamy, causing the zygote's genetic material to be enclosed within one nuclear compartment, rather than two.

Furthermore, studies seem to show that paternal RNA's and chemicals transmitted from the sperm to the zygote can transmit epigenetic paternal phenotypes to the offspring, furnishing indisputable proof of what is already known to anyone who has done the faintest job of acquainting themselves with the biology of fertilization: that the sperm obviously contributes much more than just its nucleus to the zygote.

Hmm, let's see here... is it still attached to the woman?

Yes?

Oh. Ok then.

Amount this matters to me: zero.
 
it factually doesnt

and fertilized egg is common term used throughout the medical community, this fact was already proven many times with links :D
Anybody claiming its not is factually wrong.

All one needs to do is google "IVF and fertilized egg" to find out the medical community has the term in wide use. But what does it matter to the point of IVF or abortion discussions. It really doesn't,''

Less accurate terminology is used all the time in the medical field as a way to make a discussion more accessible.

On that I amazingly common is the term "blood thinner". It is way less accurate to the real term than fertilized egg is to zygote. Blood thinners do not thin the blood. You actually better hope not! But the term blood thinner is way more accessible than "anticoagulation". Hopefully if the patient is sent home on "blood thinners" by the time their education is complete, they understand the need for anticoagulation in their specific disease process.:peace
 
I have noticed that, in another thread, some posters were trying to justify the atrocious misnomer of "fertilized egg", referring to a zygote, by claiming that, while the entire egg cell remains and contributes to the zygote, not all of the sperm cell fertilizes the egg, during the process of fertilization. This is just flat-out untrue. First of all, the entire sperm enters the egg during fertilization, including even the midpiece of the sperm, which contains the mitochondria of the sperm. That's right, zygotes and early embryos have paternal mitochondria, although they are later removed via a substance called ubiquitin, explaining why they are usually not present after birth (although there are rare cases of adults who have retained paternal mitochondria). (SOURCE: http://m.pnas.org/content/93/24/13859.full.pdf).

Also, a user has claimed on some thread that the sperm only contributes half of the contents of the nucleus of the zygote, whereas the egg contributes everything else. This is utterly and patently untrue. First of all, the paternal pronucleus (the nucleus from the sperm) actually tends to be a bit larger than the maternal pronucleus (the nucleus from the egg) in most zygotes. Second of all, the sperm contributes more than just its nucleus to the zygote. It contributes its plasma membrane, which fuses to that of the egg, its cytoplasm, containing many RNA's, and, most crucially, a very important cell organelle called the centrosome, containing two structures called centrioles, which, in most species (with the exception of rats and mice) is contributed only by the father, as egg cells do not have them. The centrosome creates the cytoskeleton of the cell, mainly microtubules, although it has also been shown that it appears to create the other two types of cytoskeletal proteins, actin filaments and intermediate filaments, as well. The microtubules synthesized, or nucleated, by the centrosome form a structure called the mitotic spindle, which segregates chromosomes on either pole of the cell in preparation for cell division during the process of mitosis.

In fact, in the zygote, the microtubules formed from the paternal centrosome emanate outwards from it, and pull the maternal pronucleus and the paternal pronucleus together, causing them to merge, in a process known as syngamy, causing the zygote's genetic material to be enclosed within one nuclear compartment, rather than two.

Furthermore, studies seem to show that paternal RNA's and chemicals transmitted from the sperm to the zygote can transmit epigenetic paternal phenotypes to the offspring, furnishing indisputable proof of what is already known to anyone who has done the faintest job of acquainting themselves with the biology of fertilization: that the sperm obviously contributes much more than just its nucleus to the zygote.

I have a question. This is an abortion board. How do you think this information changes or adds to the abortion debate.

You have given us some interesting information but really does not alter either side in a real way. I will be interested in your response.
 
1.)All one needs to do is google "IVF and fertilized egg" to find out the medical community has the term in wide use.
2.) But what does it matter to the point of IVF or abortion discussions. It really doesn't,''
3.) Less accurate terminology is used all the time in the medical field as a way to make a discussion more accessible.
4.)On that I amazingly common is the term "blood thinner". It is way less accurate to the real term than fertilized egg is to zygote. Blood thinners do not thin the blood. You actually better hope not! But the term blood thinner is way more accessible than "anticoagulation". Hopefully if the patient is sent home on "blood thinners" by the time their education is complete, they understand the need for anticoagulation in their specific disease process.:peace

1.) true but you dont even need IVF, i already did it before on just a quick search to prove the lie wrong before and like Stanford webmd and somebody else all were using the term and even in published documents LMAO Its simply a retarded lie that honest educated objective posters dont take seriously.
2.) it simply doesnt. Ive mentioned that countless times over the years. Whether a person says ZEF, zygote, baby, preborn, unborn, child, embryo, fertilized egg, fetus etc etc it doesnt impact the foundation of abortion in anyway.
3.) talking facts will always be kryptonite to some
4.) or how about when say the power cord to you lamp is faulty, you wiggle and the light turns off and on, so you say the cord has a "short" in it . . .it actually has an open . . :shrug: lol
 
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