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RamFel said:
Are you a recording?

The babies in exodus were not born yet. The same kind of babies all of you were calling zefs. Now all of sudden now it's not a zef anY more, and there's nothing wrong with it.
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Another post and NOTHING in it has to do with anything "i" have ever said nor does any of it support the false claim that ZEF is dehumanize and a slur. Once again if you have anything that does that please let us know and post it. Thanks
 
AGENT J said:
Another post and NOTHING in it has to do with anything "i" have ever said nor does any of it support the false claim that ZEF is dehumanize and a slur. Once again if you have anything that does that please let us know and post it. Thanks
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I rest my case.
 
RamFel said:
I have proof that proves it beyond, and out of reach of your ridiculous denials - although that won't stop you from trying.

Exodus 21:22-25


And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no [further] injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any [further] injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

the question you should be asking yourself is "why would god punish someone for an accidental death of a baby that isn't even born yet?
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Your bible quote proves nothing about what the discussion is about, your nonsensical claim that saying ZEF of stating that a ZEF is not a person, that this is using a slur and what other nonsense you attribute to that.

1. ZEF is an acronym, I am not sure that the bible even has acronyms or that they were invested yet.

2. being a person is a legal concept and under US law a ZEF is not a person, that is not a slur that is a matter of fact.

3. the bible is not relevant to US case law or about the use of an acronym.

And if you want to read that bible text, you can clearly see that while the bible holds crimes against people as something worthy of an eye for an eye, causing a miscarriage is worth maybe a fine, nothing more. So the loss of a ZEF is is not comparable to the injury or death of a person (like the woman who if actually hurt due to the strike or miscarriage is worthy of an eye for an eye). Loosing the fetus is maybe worthy of a fine if the husband demands it and even then that is down to a judge.

So no "punishment from god" at all.

So just like all the other times, a ZEF is just an acronym and is purely done to save time and only born people are persons according to case law.
 
RamFel said:
Are you a recording?

The babies in exodus were not born yet. The same kind of babies all of you were calling zefs. Now all of sudden now it's not a zef anY more, and there's nothing wrong with it.
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WTF??? AJ asked you to prove that using the acronym is a slur and dehumanizing. He's right - you have not done so. And I'm pretty sure I've seen YOU use that acronym.
 
Scrabaholic said:
WTF??? AJ asked you to prove that using the acronym is a slur and dehumanizing. He's right - you have not done so. And I'm pretty sure I've seen YOU use that acronym.
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Is zygote a slur? No

Is embryo a slur? No

Is fetus a slur? No

Why would an acronym for those words be a slur?

Makes zero sense.
 
RamFel said:
I rest my case.
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Good move,since nothing you have said has factually showed ZEF to be a slur or dehumanizing in anyway. If you ever have anything, please let us know and post it, thanks!
 
Scrabaholic said:
WTF??? AJ asked you to prove that using the acronym is a slur and dehumanizing. He's right - you have not done so. And I'm pretty sure I've seen YOU use that acronym.
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The fact remains NOBODY can factually prove ZEF is only bigoted slur used to dehumanize because its not. Anybody claiming so is trying to sell a lie, a lie that both pro-choicers and prolifers do not take seriously or believe. I think theres only two people left here in all of DB that try to sell it. And every time people right, left, center, prochoice and prolife point out its simply not true.
 
AGENT J said:
The fact remains NOBODY can factually prove ZEF is only bigoted slur used to dehumanize because its not. Anybody claiming so is trying to sell a lie, a lie that both pro-choicers and prolifers do not take seriously or believe. I think theres only two people left here in all of DB that try to sell it. And every time people right, left, center, prochoice and prolife point out its simply not true.
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I think people resort to attacking the acronym when they can't refute their opponent's points.
 
Scrabaholic said:
I think people resort to attacking the acronym when they can't refute their opponent's points.
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of course thats what it is because while i like proving the lies about it wrong i have said it doesn't matter what name you use it has ZERO impact on the abortion debate or the abortion foundation. Say Zygote, embryo, fetus, baby, kid, child, unborn, preborn, or ZEF. It doesnt matter one bit.

the issue is two living things, one resides inside the other and theres no way to give them equal rights under those conditions, its factually impossible. People simply vary on which one they value over the other one and when. People can kid themselves and deny that fact but its a fact none the less. No matter your stance its simply a matter of you valuing one over the other and when. Some pro-lifers this rocks to their core and they deny this fact but many are simply fine with it. they are fine choosing the new life or the life with out a voice or the one unable to speck for itself or whatever. At least those are the answers that have been given and THAT I totally respect. I dont agree with where they pick their line vs where i pick mine but I respect honesty and facts.
 
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