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    Re: Abortion: BOTH sides have good points. This is my attempt to interpret both sides

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
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    The SCOTUS ruled against Planned Parenthood in the Casey decision.

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    Not so even with an extreamly conservative SCOTUS the Justices still had to recognize the right to privacy and could not over rule Roe Wade , the best the could up was undue burden and that came back and bit Texas lawmakers in the Whole Woman's Supreme Court case in June 2016.

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    The Court's plurality opinion upheld the constitutional right to have an abortion while altering the standard for analyzing restrictions on that right, crafting the "undue burden" standard for abortion restrictions.
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    Re: Abortion: BOTH sides have good points. This is my attempt to interpret both sides

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I think these "feel good" laws detract from pragmatic discussions to drastically decrease abortion rates.
    What pragmatic ideas do you know of to "drastically decrease abortion rates?"

    I doubt the "feel good" laws detract from those ideas at all. In fact, I think they're in two completely separate areas. The laws restrict late term abortions in some cases, while, if you really want to decrease abortions, it's going to be by better educating people about birth control.
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    Re: Abortion: BOTH sides have good points. This is my attempt to interpret both sides

    Quote Originally Posted by HowardBThiname View Post
    You've actually been one of the more forthcoming posters and I appreciate that.



    I'm not saying they should be prohibited, but they should be regulated. The story I posted of what happened to the Canadian woman was preventable if only Canada put clear-cut directives in place. In her case, and I'm sure she's not the only one, the doctors were burdened with making a decision, and they decided not to perform a late term abortion. She was turned down more than once because she did not meet physician criteria. She actually had to file a suit, which pushed the abortion back to 35 weeks.

    That should not have happened, and it would not have happened if there were clear-cut guidelines. They won't tell us what the fetus' "abnormalities" were, but whatever they were, they did not meet the physicians' criteria.

    I think you'll agree with me that a 30-week abortion is risky, but a 35-week abortion is even more risky. Yet, Canada's law put the woman in that position.



    Don't those laws also allow for abortion on the grounds of a damaged fetus?
    No, they do not allow for a damaged fetus.
    They allow for a non viablibe fetus as a non viablible fetus puts the woman at risk for a life threatening infection.

    Doctors usually perform ultrasounds between 18 to 20 weeks looking for fetal abnormalities. If the fetus has abnormalities that only the gives the woman/couple and doctor a few weeks for more testing to determine how serious and to arrange an abortion before 24 window ( in states with a 20 week window the woman will often have to travel to another state).

    The vast majority of abortions between 20 and 24 weeks are because of fetal abnormalies.

    Remember my abortion stats from Kansas in 2008?

    There were 323 abortions that took place at or after 22 weeks gestation.

    131 were because the fetus was non viable ( it was dead, dying, so malformed it would not live more than a few minutes or hours.)

    The other 192 abortions were because irreparable damage to a major bodiliy function ( kidney damage , liver damage , stroke, heart attack, paralysis from the neck down, etc. ) would occur if the pregnancy continued.
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