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Planned Parenthood money issues..... [W:77]

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I have seen it argued that Planned Parenthood's Title X funding is being used for abortions against the spirit of the Hyde Amendment. The usual argument I see is that there is no way it could cost $400 for an abortion, so the fungiblity of the assets (especially Title X funding is needed to support abortions)

As we all know the Hyde Amendment prohibits use of Title X funds to be used for abortion with the exception of abortions associated with severe maternal health issues and rape and incest.

On the other hand I have seen it argued that abortions at Planned Parenthood are so expensive and profitable, that Planned Parenthood is making huge profits despite the fact that they are a nonprofit organization.

So which is it?

Are they illegally using Title X funds to prop up their abortion business or are they money grubbers making money hand over fist do to their lucrative abortion business?


Third option they are a nonprofit organization usually using funds appropriately?
 
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Interesting.

It seems as the fungible crowd does not want to debate with the "Planned Parenthood is making huge profits off of abortion crowd";)
 
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Too bad the right to life people do not care about babies who parents wish to have and raised them and need the aid of planned parenthood to do so, as for example the mortality rate for infants in Texas is not only the highest of any state in the union it is the highest in any western nation.
 
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Too bad the right to life people do not care about babies who parents wish to have and raised them and need the aid of planned parenthood to do so, as for example the mortality rate for infants in Texas is not only the highest of any state in the union it is the highest in any western nation.

Incorrect because FQHC's exist.

The money we give to PP should go to FQHCs.
 
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Too bad the right to life people do not care about babies who parents wish to have and raised them and need the aid of planned parenthood to do so, as for example the mortality rate for infants in Texas is not only the highest of any state in the union it is the highest in any western nation.

Unless you are getting an abortion, nobody ever "needs" a PP. They don't do anything exclusively that other health centers do.
 
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Unless you are getting an abortion, nobody ever "needs" a PP. They don't do anything exclusively that other health centers do.

Is it your assumpton that they can pick up the slack for PP?

Depending on your area....they are already overburdened on many levels.
 
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Is it your assumpton that they can pick up the slack for PP?

Depending on your area....they are already overburdened on many levels.

Of course, if all the funding go towards FQHCs.

I kind of view PP as like a national bank and FQHCS as a credit union.
 
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Of course, if all the funding go towards FQHCs.

I kind of view PP as like a national bank and FQHCS as a credit union.

The following article disagrees.


Reproductive health care experts, though, say it’s a mistake to view Planned Parenthood and community health centers as interchangeable simply because they both offer government-subsidized contraception. Instead, they say, it’s more accurate to consider Planned Parenthood part of a vast health care ecosystem, where it has made itself indispensable by providing one thing — reproductive health care — well.


“Community health centers, unlike Planned Parenthood, have an obligation to see everyone in their communities for everything,”
said Sara Rosenbaum, a professor of health policy at George Washington University. “Ideally you want community health centers working hand in glove with organizations like Planned Parenthood, not replacing them.”

Removing Planned Parenthood from the fabric of the health care system wouldn’t just mean that community health centers would have to scale up their family planning departments; they’d have to be prepared to offer a full range of services. This could be an ambitious and expensive goal.

The question of whether community health centers would be able to provide reproductive health care in lieu of Planned Parenthood isn’t entirely hypothetical. Texas provided a dry run, of sorts, when it embarked on a series of efforts to divert funding away from Planned Parenthood in 2011.

First, the legislature instituted broad cuts to family planning services, spurring the closure of 82 clinics, one-third of which were affiliated with Planned Parenthood. Then, after an attempt to steer funds away from Planned Parenthood in the state’s federally funded Medicaid program was stymied by the federal government, Texas decided to forgo federal Medicaid dollars for family planning and set up a state-funded Medicaid lookalike called the Texas Women’s Health Program, which could legally exclude any clinic affiliated with an abortion provider. Iowa is considering a similar move: It would also create a women’s health network with no federal Medicaid support and no participation by abortion providers.

Texas’s example foreshadows what could happen if the Republicans’ defunding proposal goes through and states and localities don’t step in to fill the gap.

It’s hard to know exactly how many low-income women rely on Planned Parenthood; in Iowa, Planned Parenthood served 62 percent of women who received publicly funded contraception from a safety-net center in 2010, according to an analysis by the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization that supports abortion rights. Since then, some Iowa Planned Parenthood facilities have closed, and more women may have gained insurance under the Affordable Care Act, so the numbers aren’t up to date. Supporters of the Iowa bill say 221 existing health care sites are eligible to offer family planning care under their plan.

But even if the same amount of money is being spent on family planning, some women, when faced with a loss of coverage at Planned Parenthood, may not continue receiving services at other local clinics — either because of a lack of capacity or a lack of knowledge about where to go.
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Then there’s the fact that even if they are accepting new patients, community health centers are likely to have longer wait times for an appointment and might not carry a woman’s preferred brand or type of contraception at all. “Other clinics don’t necessarily have night or weekend hours,” said Kami Geoffray, CEO of Women’s Health and Family Planning Association of Texas, a network of family planning providers. At Planned Parenthood, “you can pick up your birth control pills at the counter and get a same-day IUD insertion.” Guttmacher data shows that Planned Parenthood sites are more likely than community health centers to offer a wide range of contraceptive services and to have a pharmacy on site. Planned Parenthood clinics are also likelier than other health care providers to offer same-day appointments.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-defunding-planned-parenthood-could-affect-health-care/
 
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Re: Planned Parenthood money issues.....

I have seen it argued that Planned Parenthood's Title X funding is being used for abortions against the spirit of the Hyde Amendment. The usual argument I see is that there is no way it could cost $400 for an abortion, so the fungiblity of the assets (especially Title X funding is needed to support abortions)

As we all know the Hyde Amendment prohibits use of Title X funds to be used for abortion with the exception of abortions associated with severe maternal health issues and rape and incest.

On the other hand I have seen it argued that abortions at Planned Parenthood are so expensive and profitable, that Planned Parenthood is making huge profits despite the fact that they are a nonprofit organization.

So which is it?

Are they illegally using Title X funds to prop up their abortion business or are they money grubbers making money hand over fist do to their lucrative abortion business?


Third option they are a nonprofit organization usually using funds appropriately?

The illogical witch hunt for PP has never been logically explained, they all fall short and end up being factually not true or hypocritical. Its been proven time and time again
 
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Too bad the right to life people do not care about babies who parents wish to have and raised them and need the aid of planned parenthood to do so, as for example the mortality rate for infants in Texas is not only the highest of any state in the union it is the highest in any western nation.

Well to be fair not all pro-lifers which-hunt for PP. There are many that do participate but there are also ones that do not and know focusing on PP is pretty silly.
 
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Unless you are getting an abortion, nobody ever "needs" a PP. They don't do anything exclusively that other health centers do.

Its lies like this that will never betaken seriously and get laughed at by people pro life and pro choice. What a dishonest, retarded and laughable statment LOL
 
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Its lies like this that will never betaken seriously and get laughed at by people pro life and pro choice. What a dishonest, retarded and laughable statment LOL

Tell me what they provide that other health centers don't.

*besides abortions.
 
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Tell me what they provide that other health centers don't.

*besides abortions.

who said there stuff at PP that happen no where else? oh wait .. nobody. Another retarded strawman gets destroyed and bites the dust! LMAO
 
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Tell me what they provide that other health centers don't.

*besides abortions.

Many Planned Parenthoods offer evening and weekend hours and an onsite pharmacy.
 
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Tell me what they provide that other health centers don't.

*besides abortions.

But if PP is the health center you WANT to go to why shouldn't you be able to go there?
 
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who said there stuff at PP that happen no where else? oh wait .. nobody. Another retarded strawman gets destroyed and bites the dust! LMAO

Read this quote AGENT J:

Too bad the right to life people do not care about babies who parents wish to have and raised them and need the aid of planned parenthood to do so, as for example the mortality rate for infants in Texas is not only the highest of any state in the union it is the highest in any western nation.

Agent J, the only reason why you are able to post on DP is because of me. I showed you mercy after you foolishly predicted Hillary Clinton would be president. Remember our bet?
 
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But if PP is the health center you WANT to go to why shouldn't you be able to go there?

PP has the right to exist however they shouldn't get public funding.
 
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PP has the right to exist however they shouldn't get public funding.

Why should they not get the same public funding as any other health center?
 
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1.)Read this quote AGENT J:
2.)Agent J, the only reason why you are able to post on DP is because of me. I showed you mercy after you foolishly predicted Hillary Clinton would be president. Remember our bet?

1.) no need to read it again i read it once and replied to it, your statment is still not true and my statment still stands
2.) LMAO wrong again, A.) you have ZERO power here B.) if you would have actually took the bet and agreed to terms i would of held up my end just like im doing with winchester

now back to the issue you are dodging. and how your claim is simply not true :)
 
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Its lies like this that will never betaken seriously and get laughed at by people pro life and pro choice. What a dishonest, retarded and laughable statment LOL

No, not at all. It's not a lie at all. PP's primary focus has always been to provide abortions, and in fact have been busted (repeatedly) for saying that they do, when in fact, they don't (thought they charge their vulnerable customers..and their insurance...as if they do).
 
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Unless you are getting an abortion, nobody ever "needs" a PP. They don't do anything exclusively that other health centers do.

Bucky you really don't have any shame do you?
 
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No, not at all. It's not a lie at all. PP's primary focus has always been to provide abortions, and in fact have been busted (repeatedly) for saying that they do, when in fact, they don't (thought they charge their vulnerable customers..and their insurance...as if they do).

But isn't abortion legal?
 
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No, not at all. It's not a lie at all. PP's primary focus has always been to provide abortions, and in fact have been busted (repeatedly) for saying that they do, when in fact, they don't (thought they charge their vulnerable customers..and their insurance...as if they do).

They need to doing more based on the number of unwanted, abused, neglected and abandoned children in the system.
 
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1.)No, not at all. It's not a lie at all.
2.) PP's primary focus has always been to provide abortions, and in fact have been busted (repeatedly) for saying that they do, when in fact, they don't (thought they charge their vulnerable customers..and their insurance...as if they do).

1.) its a lie or pure ignorance, pick one because HIS claims are factually not true.
2.) factually wrong again, they were started as a health facility for birth control and family planning. Regardless of many PPs do abortion, like hospitals and private practices and other medical facilities there are many PPs that do NOT do abortions. last i looked only like 30% of them do in PA and Ohio. theres like around 33 in my state only 11 do abortions. So again his claim is factually wrong ;)
 
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