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The abortion argument will soon change forever.

Risky Thicket

Risky Thicket

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Time and technology will soon change the abortion argument. In the near future it will be possible, don't ask me how, to transfer the fertilized egg to the male half of the pregnant pair for the completion of the pregnancy to term. If then the woman cannot complete the pregnancy the male will have that option and the argument of "killing an innocent life" will be much less of an issue.

Once that day arrives, and it surely will, the abortion argument will change. I'd venture to guess that more men would be supportive of the pro-choice position.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Time and technology will soon change the abortion argument. In the near future it will be possible, don't ask me how, to transfer the fertilized egg to the male half of the pregnant pair for the completion of the pregnancy to term. If then the woman cannot complete the pregnancy the male will have that option and the argument of "killing an innocent life" will be much less of an issue.

Once that day arrives, and it surely will, the abortion argument will change. I'd venture to guess that more men would be supportive of the pro-choice position.
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Well, at least this isn't another artificial womb ending legal abortion debate.:lamo
 
Risky Thicket said:
Time and technology will soon change the abortion argument. In the near future it will be possible, don't ask me how, to transfer the fertilized egg to the male half of the pregnant pair for the completion of the pregnancy to term. If then the woman cannot complete the pregnancy the male will have that option and the argument of "killing an innocent life" will be much less of an issue.

Once that day arrives, and it surely will, the abortion argument will change. I'd venture to guess that more men would be supportive of the pro-choice position.
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Wasn't this an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie?
 
I can already kill other human beings, I just don't, and it's usually illegal for me to do so. It is always illegal for me to kill an innocent human being, though women are given a free pass in this regard by female supremacists like yourself.

If your science fiction nonsense comes to pass, I still won't kill an innocent human being just because it becomes legal to do so. No one should ever do so. Fixing the law so that such a thing cannot occur without consequence is the duty of anyone who believes in human rights and justice. Again, this of course excludes bigoted female supremacists, because you don't believe in those things, you believe in discrimination.

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Risky Thicket said:
Time and technology will soon change the abortion argument. In the near future it will be possible, don't ask me how, to transfer the fertilized egg to the male half of the pregnant pair for the completion of the pregnancy to term. If then the woman cannot complete the pregnancy the male will have that option and the argument of "killing an innocent life" will be much less of an issue.

Once that day arrives, and it surely will, the abortion argument will change. I'd venture to guess that more men would be supportive of the pro-choice position.
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And what will happen when neither partner want to become a parent?
 
prometeus said:
And what will happen when neither partner want to become a parent?
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The answer is quite simple. Women and men who are adamantly opposed to abortion will line up to receive fertilized eggs, carry them full term and raise the resulting children as their own.

Problem solved.

Next!
 
Risky Thicket said:
The answer is quite simple. Women and men who are adamantly opposed to abortion will line up to receive fertilized eggs, carry them full term and raise the resulting children as their own.

Problem solved.

Next!
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Damn, why didn't I think of that?
 
I can't see how this would change my view. First, the woman will still have to undergo some sort of medical procedure to transfer the fetus from her body to the artificial womb. And I oppose forced medical procedures so if the woman doesn't want to undergo it then she shouldn't have to.

Now, once the procedure HAS been performed then I think the man and woman have equal say. But even with an artificial womb I would still support abortion for any reason in the first 2 trimesters. It still isn't a person and still doesn't have a mind so, IMO, there are no moral issues with terminating. The only difference is once in the artificial womb then the choice doesn't rest solely with the woman.

But then my personal support of abortion rights never had anything to do with the "it is my body" argument.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Time and technology will soon change the abortion argument. In the near future it will be possible, don't ask me how, to transfer the fertilized egg to the male half of the pregnant pair for the completion of the pregnancy to term. If then the woman cannot complete the pregnancy the male will have that option and the argument of "killing an innocent life" will be much less of an issue.

Once that day arrives, and it surely will, the abortion argument will change. I'd venture to guess that more men would be supportive of the pro-choice position.
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LOL well when you are right you are right.

There are definitely SOME men that if the men could get pregnant their stance on abortion would change because they would never want treated as second class citizens. Also you would see a change in opinions of some if the man was able to carry and the law tried to FORCE them for some reason. Like the mother was dying or not healthy enough to carry so the ZEF was removed and put in them under force. Some people would change REAL quick lol

And its stuff like that which will never allow the insane notion that personhood should be granted at conception to come about.
 
year2late said:
Well, at least this isn't another artificial womb ending legal abortion debate.:lamo
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Skeptic Bob said:
I can't see how this would change my view. First, the woman will still have to undergo some sort of medical procedure to transfer the fetus from her body to the artificial womb. And I oppose forced medical procedures so if the woman doesn't want to undergo it then she shouldn't have to.

Now, once the procedure HAS been performed then I think the man and woman have equal say. But even with an artificial womb I would still support abortion for any reason in the first 2 trimesters. It still isn't a person and still doesn't have a mind so, IMO, there are no moral issues with terminating. The only difference is once in the artificial womb then the choice doesn't rest solely with the woman.

But then my personal support of abortion rights never had anything to do with the "it is my body" argument.
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And there it is.;)
 
Risky Thicket said:
Time and technology will soon change the abortion argument. In the near future it will be possible, don't ask me how, to transfer the fertilized egg to the male half of the pregnant pair for the completion of the pregnancy to term. If then the woman cannot complete the pregnancy the male will have that option and the argument of "killing an innocent life" will be much less of an issue.

Once that day arrives, and it surely will, the abortion argument will change. I'd venture to guess that more men would be supportive of the pro-choice position.
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I think we're a lot further away from this than we are being able to build an artificial uterus to grow the embryo to term in. So if we ever do get to the point of men being able to carry children to term, the abortion issue will have already changed due to that.
 
molten_dragon said:
I think we're a lot further away from this than we are being able to build an artificial uterus to grow the embryo to term in. So if we ever do get to the point of men being able to carry children to term, the abortion issue will have already changed due to that.
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Yes, we aren't too far perhaps when we will see baby farming. Some children may be baby farm raised by religious collectives that will assume the all financial responsibilities for raising and housing unwanted babies as well as providing some semblance of parenting and family.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Yes, we aren't too far perhaps when we will see baby farming. Some children may be baby farm raised by religious collectives that will assume the all financial responsibilities for raising and housing unwanted babies as well as providing some semblance of parenting and family.
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Can we harvest after puberty?

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A hall of mirrors?

Risky Thicket said:
Time and technology will soon change the abortion argument. In the near future it will be possible, don't ask me how, to transfer the fertilized egg to the male half of the pregnant pair for the completion of the pregnancy to term. If then the woman cannot complete the pregnancy the male will have that option and the argument of "killing an innocent life" will be much less of an issue.

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The transfer to another human uterus is already done, IVF are typically placed into a uterus, usually the prospective mother's, but it can be any healthy human female of age, & compatible with the fetal bloodtype. Yah, the allowed window under Roe v. Wade for legal abortion is tied to trimesters, & fetal viability. The ability to transfer a fetus to another human or another mammal or even an artificial uterus will impact Roe - although not necessarily make it moot. Instead, there will be more options @ each trimester.

For a good discussion of the possibilities, see Larry Niven's SF series on Known Space (especially the bits on medical advances & genetics), & C. J. Cherryh's Cyteen series - which looks @ much the same material. Change is coming.
 
Risky Thicket said:
The answer is quite simple. Women and men who are adamantly opposed to abortion will line up to receive fertilized eggs, carry them full term and raise the resulting children as their own.

Problem solved.

Next!
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The solution is always "don't force me to be responsible for my actions!" ;)
 
Re: A hall of mirrors?

southwest88 said:
The transfer to another human uterus is already done, IVF are typically placed into a uterus, usually the prospective mother's, but it can be any healthy human female of age, & compatible with the fetal bloodtype. Yah, the allowed window under Roe v. Wade for legal abortion is tied to trimesters, & fetal viability. The ability to transfer a fetus to another human or another mammal or even an artificial uterus will impact Roe - although not necessarily make it moot. Instead, there will be more options @ each trimester.
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However, you cannot have a zef removed from one woman and implanted in another. Even in agriculture, embryos have to be flushed before implantation in order to be implanted in recipient animals. Women never know they are pregnant until after implantation.
 
Cable said:
The solution is always "don't force me to be responsible for my actions!" ;)
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Having an abortion when one cannot or will not care for a child *is* being responsible. It is *not* responsible to birth a child you cannot or will not care for, or to pawn it off on others to raise.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Having an abortion when one cannot or will not care for a child *is* being responsible
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Killing others to run away from your obligations to them is never and will never be responsible.

The assertion you have made is ****ing crazy.
 
JayDubya said:
Killing others to run away from your obligations to them is never and will never be responsible.

The assertion you have made is ****ing crazy.
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Fact 1: Good thing what you described is not what abortion is :)
Fact 2: millions of people feel obligated and driven by their morals and responsibility to have an abortion.

You think your feelings trump theirs but it doesn't you assertion is equally as crazy by those standards you choose.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Time and technology will soon change the abortion argument. In the near future it will be possible, don't ask me how, to transfer the fertilized egg to the male half of the pregnant pair for the completion of the pregnancy to term. If then the woman cannot complete the pregnancy the male will have that option and the argument of "killing an innocent life" will be much less of an issue.

Once that day arrives, and it surely will, the abortion argument will change. I'd venture to guess that more men would be supportive of the pro-choice position.
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In the future, don't ask me how, nobody will consider killing an unborn child as a sane and rational solution to pregnancy.

Problem solved.
 
jmotivator said:
In the future, don't ask me how, nobody will consider killing an unborn child as a sane and rational solution to pregnancy.

Problem solved.
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In the future, birth control for pregnancy prevention will be vastly improved.

Be pragmatic. Insisting that others view a zygote embryo or fetus that lives off the physiology of the woman is not decreasing abortion rates. It is right down there in efficacy as slut shaming.
 
AGENT J said:
Fact 1: Good thing what you described is not what abortion is :)
Fact 2: millions of people feel obligated and driven by their morals and responsibility to have an abortion.
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Even more bat**** crazy and retarded than her assertion, but that's the level of useless drivel I expect.

I'm aware sociopaths exist - when they lash out violently like the morally bankrupt killers you describe, I want them locked up so they can't hurt anyone else. Of course you apathetic and amoral people don't care and want them to roam free, because you don't respect human rights, and you wouldn't perceive the concept of personal responsibility if it were a snake that bit you on the face.
 
year2late said:
In the future, birth control for pregnancy prevention will be vastly improved.

Be pragmatic. Insisting that others view a zygote embryo or fetus that lives off the physiology of the woman is not decreasing abortion rates. It is right down there in efficacy as slut shaming.
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We as a species always dehumanize those we wish to kill. It's one of those moments where we give in to our lower impulses by fooling ourselves in is a higher calling.

Also, people refusing to do the right thing doesn't change what is right.
 
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