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Planned Parenthood's 3% deception

TheGoverness said:
Yes; I'm moving on in my life, and becoming more independent so I can make a life for myself.

That is great.
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I wish the best but I would learn to be more tolerant of other people. I have seen you bully other posters and engage in childish behavior. I would blame it on immaturity however you need to learn to be less emotional and more rational.

You have blown a gasket over other posters that you disagree with. You should learn how to engage respectfully and intelligently.

Peace.
 
Bucky said:
You have a very foul mouth. I would suggest you learn some respect. Your disrespectful attitude will get you nowhere in life, especially in Texas.
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If you were respectful you would stop spreading lies and "false facts"

If you were respectful, when you were caught telling a "false fact" or blatant lie, you would retract it.
 
Bucky said:
https://lozierinstitute.org/profit-no-matter-what/

https://lozierinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/plannedparenthood-profit-no-matter-what.pdf

Read the entire report. Fraud, Waste, and Abuse. These three words define Planned Parenthood.
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I am definitely not saying it is right, but it is not unusual. Some are innocent mistakes made by folk that need more education in new billing procedures, others are more insidious.

Just search "hospital and audits and billing and errors and fraud and find the wealth of hospitals that have been fined (or outright litigated)

For example

Catholic Health to pay $4.9 million in St. Joseph Medical Center overbilling settlement - tribunedigital-baltimoresun

So if you are trying to single out PP for such things...you would be very mistaken.
 
RamFel said:
Then pardon me for insulting Mrs. Perfect!
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Grow up.

It is the adult thing to do....

if you make a mistake in your facts you acknowledge it and go on.

We have hope that you will be able to do this eventually.

But to sarcastically refer to Minnie, who is only trying to act appropriately...is a comment on you....not her.

Fact are one issue. There should not be an immense amount of variance.

What is normal (grown up) is to have issues with how those fact are interpreted.
 
year2late said:
Grow up.

It is the adult thing to do....

if you make a mistake in your facts you acknowledge it and go on.

We have hope that you will be able to do this eventually.

But to sarcastically refer to Minnie, who is only trying to act appropriately...is a comment on you....not her.

Fact are one issue. There should not be an immense amount of variance.

What is normal (grown up) is to have issues with how those fact are interpreted.
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Minnie tried to lie to me,
 
Bucky said:
Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services. That is a factual statement, however, let's look at the numbers a bit deeper.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/planned-parenthood-at-a-glance
Planned Parenthood: Fast facts and revealing numbers - CNN
Let's do the simple math: 323999/2400000 = 0.13499958333
I took the total numbers of abortions performed in 2014 divided by the 2.4 million women that visited PP a year.
13%! Pro-Choice fanatics will argue abortion is not a central part of PP business core but it makes up 13% of its revenue!
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Each person visited only once each year?

What if some people came in more than once?

How would the numbers work out then?
 
Bucky said:
Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services. That is a factual statement, however, let's look at the numbers a bit deeper.
https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/planned-parenthood-at-a-glance
Planned Parenthood: Fast facts and revealing numbers - CNN
Let's do the simple math: 323999/2400000 = 0.13499958333
I took the total numbers of abortions performed in 2014 divided by the 2.4 million women that visited PP a year.
13%! Pro-Choice fanatics will argue abortion is not a central part of PP business core but it makes up 13% of its revenue!
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What if different services cost different amounts of money?

Would that change how you would calculate revenue from the numbers you give?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Each person visited only once each year?

What if some people came in more than once?

How would the numbers work out then?
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PP does not even keep track of how many pregnant women come into a clinic or if they refer them to someone else.

You would think an organization that value transparency would keep track of a simple yet important statistic.
 
RamFel said:
Minnie tried to lie to me,
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I disagree.

I did not have the stats of the numbers of men , women and young people who visited PP yearly for services until a about month ago.

So once I had the numbers of persons who went to PP for services in given year and the numbers who had abortions in that year ! I figured out the percent of people who used PP for abortions in that year. I think I used the stats for 2014 which may be why my stats were different than Washington post Fact check.

I just thought by the using the stats of the percentage who had abortions was more a more accurate and fair representation than the 3 percent of services that PP uses or the unknown percent ( even Bucky admits there are no numbers regarding pregnant women who visit PP a year ) of pregnant women who visit PP for abortions.

To me I felt that 17 percent ( although still high ) was a more accurate representation.

Since there are over 600 PP clinics and most women know tha some PP have abortion services it makes sense that about one third of the number of women who have abortions each year would PLanned Parenhood for an abobortion.
 
Bucky said:
You have a very foul mouth. I would suggest you learn some respect. Your disrespectful attitude will get you nowhere in life, especially in Texas.
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She didn't use any swear words. Good grief.

BTW, why do you insert arrows in your posts?
 
Bucky said:
I wish the best but I would learn to be more tolerant of other people. I have seen you bully other posters and engage in childish behavior. I would blame it on immaturity however you need to learn to be less emotional and more rational.
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Bucky, after the countless times on this forum where you've said the most ridiculous nonsense, you have no right to tell me or anyone else that they need to be more rational.

You have blown a gasket over other posters that you disagree with.
Peace.
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I respectfully disagree with posters all the time. I don't do that with you Bucky, because you don't deserve any of my respect.

You should learn how to engage respectfully and intelligently.
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Once again, I already know how to do that. Maybe you should look in the mirror.
 
minnie616 said:
I disagree.

I did not have the stats of the numbers of men , women and young people who visited PP yearly for services until a about month ago.

So once I had the numbers of persons who went to PP for services in given year and the numbers who had abortions in that year ! I figured out the percent of people who used PP for abortions in that year. I think I used the stats for 2014 which may be why my stats were different than Washington post Fact check.

I just thought by the using the stats of the percentage who had abortions was more a more accurate and fair representation than the 3 percent of services that PP uses or the unknown percent ( even Bucky admits there are no numbers regarding pregnant women who visit PP a year ) of pregnant women who visit PP for abortions.

To me I felt that 17 percent ( although still high ) was a more accurate representation.

Since there are over 600 PP clinics and most women know tha some PP have abortion services it makes sense that about one third of the number of women who have abortions each year would PLanned Parenhood for an abobortion.
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Do you even know what I am talking about?
 
minnie616 said:
I disagree.

I did not have the stats of the numbers of men , women and young people who visited PP yearly for services m,m,muntil a about month ago.

So once I had the numbers of persons who went to PP for services in given year and the numbers who had abortions in that year ! I figured out the percent of people who used PP for abortions in that year. I think I used the stats for 2014 which may be why my stats were different than Washington post Fact check.

I just thought by the using the stats of the percentage who had abortions was more a more accurate and fair representation than the 3 percent of services that PP uses or the unknown percent ( even Bucky admits there are no numbers regarding pregnant women who visit PP a year ) of pregnant women who visit PP for abortions.

To me I felt that 17 percent ( although still high ) was a more accurate representation.

Since there are over 600 PP clinics and most women know tha some PP have abortion services it makes sense that about one third of the number of women who have abortions each year would PLanned Parenhood for an abobortion.
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Get your story straight!
 
Bucky said:
PP does not even keep track of how many pregnant women come into a clinic or if they refer them to someone else.
You would think an organization that value transparency would keep track of a simple yet important statistic.
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So, it's pretty much as I expected—your numbers and calculations are entirely worthless.

Those were pretty much the entire basis of your argument.

Ah well.

Try again.
Better luck next time.
 
Bucky said:
Once again you are attempting to derail my thread with your tactics. I took the emotion out of the abortion debate and used hard facts and statistics. I even cited my source: Planned Parenthood.

You are an abortion zealot.
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TheGoverness said:
Do you even know what you're talking about?

Wait: don't answer that. You don't.
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Yes, I do. Do you? I responded to something Minnie said in post 19. I responded to her again in post 75 with a possible wrong post earlier. I responded to her claim of knowing what I meant and claiming she felt the same way as I did. She does not. Are you more confused now?

Yes, I know you are.
 
Bucky said:
Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services. That is a factual statement, however, let's look at the numbers a bit deeper.


https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/planned-parenthood-at-a-glance



Planned Parenthood: Fast facts and revealing numbers - CNN

Let's do the simple math: 323999/2400000 = 0.13499958333

I took the total numbers of abortions performed in 2014 divided by the 2.4 million women that visited PP a year.

13%! Pro-Choice fanatics will argue abortion is not a central part of PP business core but it makes up 13% of its revenue!

Now, let us take Home Depot for example.



Home Depot Stock: Analyzing 5 Key Suppliers (HD) | Investopedia

Indoor gardening makes up of only 9% of Home Depots revenue. Indoor gardening is not central towards HD's business core.

However when you like the pie chart, Indoor gardening, is their most profitable sector by product!

Home Depot?s Product Portfolio and Supplier Relationships - Market Realist

Indoor gardening brings in about 7.1 Billion of its total 78.8 billion fiscal revenue. More than any other product sector!

Back to Planned Parenthood... Abortion is their bread and butter!

An abortion can cost up to $1,500! An emergency contraceptive is only $45 while a pregnancy test is $10!

1,5000 x 323,999 = 485,998,500 Million!!!!

Compare that to pregnancy tests: 1,128,783 women received pregnancy tests at PP in 2014. So if a pregnancy test costs about $10:

1,128,783 x 10 = 11,287,830 Million from pregnancy tests vs 485,998,500 Million from Abortion!!!


I am just doing simple math to show a simple point. Planned Parenthood is an abortion organization. Don't be fooled by the pro-choice math. Abortion revenue is their cash cow. And back to Home Depot, Home Depot is definitely pushing their customers into buying indoor gardening products. That's where the profits are coming from. You can bet PP is pushing their patients into what makes them the most money.

Without abortions, Planned Parenthood cannot operate.

CORRECTION:



From my good friend Minnie. Abortion actually makes up 17%! Thanks, Minnie!
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Bucky said:
Quick correction:

1,500 x 323,999 = 485,998,500 Million

$1,500 = cost of an abortion
323,999 numbers of abortions performed by PP.

I apologize for the confusion.
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RamFel said:
You know, it's frustrating. You come out with numbers only to be (it seems) bested by (it seems) someone with better numbers. It's possible for any side to win. I have seen both good and bad data being passed around and its hard to know. That's why I don't play the numbers / evidence game. Especially since each side favors his or her side. And who has more of their facts ready and on hand. I prefer to listen to people on my side. It's a matter of whom i trust more. People who would rather save lives over would rather take them.
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Since Bucky's numbers are the topic of this Planned Parenthood thead..... do you agree with his variables math?

(To be fair, I did quote his math correction:))
 
RamFel said:
Get your story straight!
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I went back to the tread and yes my memory is not as sharp as it use to be.
The percent of those who had abortions was not about 17 percent.
The number I posted in that was 13.7 percent.

Also it was in that thread on July 30, 2017 when I found the link that 2.4 men, women and young people use PP services each year.

minnie616 said:
I call your conflated percentage of abortion services at Planned Parenthoods BS:


There are over 650 Planned Parenthood and affiliate clinics in the US:

Planned Parenthoods sees 2.4 million people in a single year.



https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/planned-parenthood-at-a-glance
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minnie616 said:
Your YouTube numbers are what was really silly.

That's why I go the numbers of people who actually visit Planned Panrenthoods for services.
Over 2.4 million men, women and young people visit Planned Parenthoods for services every your.
Which means over 2 million people receive services at Planned Parenthoods every year for services that are non abortion related.
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https://www.debatepolitics.com/abor...hood-saved-republican-female-senators-39.html


minnie616 said:
Both sides try to play the numbers games.

That's why I go by the number of patients who use Planned Parenthood services.

In terms of patients, Planned Parenthood served 2.4 million people each year. ( 2016 stats)
Planned Parenthood provided 328,348 abortion ( 2016 stats)
That works out to be about 13.7 percent of patients had abortions.

Which means about 86.3 percent of Planned Parenhoods patients used for health care not related to abortion services.

Over 2 million people used Planned Parenthood for Tile X and other health care that have nothing to do with abortions.
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https://www.debatepolitics.com/abor...hood-saved-republican-female-senators-40.html
 
TheGoverness said:
Bucky, after the countless times on this forum where you've said the most ridiculous nonsense, you have no right to tell me or anyone else that they need to be more rational.



I respectfully disagree with posters all the time. I don't do that with you Bucky, because you don't deserve any of my respect.



Once again, I already know how to do that. Maybe you should look in the mirror.
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As you pontificate your arrogant views I just want you to be able to understand others may have different viewpoints than you. You do not have to shove your viewpoints on others or again, bully other posters.
 
minnie616 said:
I went back to the tread and yes my memory is not as sharp as it use to be.
The percent of those who had abortions was not about 17 percent.
The number I posted in that was 13.7 percent.

Also it was in that thread on July 30, 2017 when I found the link that 2.4 men, women and young people use PP services each year.


https://www.debatepolitics.com/abor...hood-saved-republican-female-senators-39.html


https://www.debatepolitics.com/abor...hood-saved-republican-female-senators-40.html
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Oh great. You' re still confusd'
 
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