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Planned Parenthood's 3% deception

RamFel said:
Sounds like you're trying to say that you're always right. Should I start to put my trust in you? Why would I do that? There is no trust to have here as long as there is support for abortion.
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I am not always right, but I am very truthful.

Instead of using the 3 percent of services that PP and many pro choice people use or distort the facts like some pro life sites that claim high numbers of pregnant women who use services at Planned Parenhoods use PP for abortions...

I took the number of people who use services yearly at PP which is 2.4 million than subtract the number who have abortions in a year to up the percentage that about 17 percent have abortions.

I too am tired of the numbers games both sides use.
 
RamFel said:
Sounds like you're trying to say that you're always right. Should I start to put my trust in you? Why would I do that? There is no trust to have here as long as there is support for abortion.
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Bucky, you are crunching numbers regarding Planned Parenthood where certain variables are absolutely incorrect.
 
minnie616 said:
I agree Buckys math is more than funky.

Over 91 percent of abortions take place during the first trimester.

The Guttmacher Institute found that in 2009 (the most recent year Data is available ), the average cost for a surgical abortion at 10 weeks was $470, of which women paid $451. The average cost of the abortion pill was $490, of which women paid $483.

Hospitals and physicians’ offices cost more than clinics. Across the board, prices increase as pregnancy progresses.

The National Abortion Federation found that the average price for an abortion (medical or surgical) performed between six and 10 weeks is $350 at an abortion clinic and $500 at a doctor’s office.

That's a lot less than the up to $1500 for a late 2ed trimester abortion that Bucky tried to pass of as a norm price.
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https://clearhealthcosts.com/search/?query=abortion&zip_code=94709&radius=25&submit=

Minnie, I found this site.

I plugged in a few variables (that I knew what the going rate was) and it was a reasonable representation. Not sure if that says the whole thing is consistently reasonably accurate.
 
Bucky said:
PP does not disclose how many pregnant women go to PP every year or how many they refer to private organizations. PP could end the controversy if they disclosed these figures but they refuse to do so.... Hmmmmmm.
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What is insidious about this? Do you have evidence they count both those things? When I did casework of a sorts, I counted cases, never referrals.
 
year2late said:
Bucky, you are crunching numbers regarding Planned Parenthood where certain variables are absolutely incorrect.
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I am not RamFel, so I suggest quoting the right person. And when you say a a fetus cannot feel any pain. Do you have any proof of that?
 
Bucky said:
Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services. That is a factual statement, however, let's look at the numbers a bit deeper.


https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/planned-parenthood-at-a-glance



Planned Parenthood: Fast facts and revealing numbers - CNN

Let's do the simple math: 323999/2400000 = 0.13499958333

I took the total numbers of abortions performed in 2014 divided by the 2.4 million women that visited PP a year.

13%! Pro-Choice fanatics will argue abortion is not a central part of PP business core but it makes up 13% of its revenue!

Now, let us take Home Depot for example.



Home Depot Stock: Analyzing 5 Key Suppliers (HD) | Investopedia

Indoor gardening makes up of only 9% of Home Depots revenue. Indoor gardening is not central towards HD's business core.

However when you like the pie chart, Indoor gardening, is their most profitable sector by product!

Home Depot?s Product Portfolio and Supplier Relationships - Market Realist

Indoor gardening brings in about 7.1 Billion of its total 78.8 billion fiscal revenue. More than any other product sector!

Back to Planned Parenthood... Abortion is their bread and butter!

An abortion can cost up to $1,500! An emergency contraceptive is only $45 while a pregnancy test is $10!

1,5000 x 323,999 = 485,998,500 Million!!!!

Compare that to pregnancy tests: 1,128,783 women received pregnancy tests at PP in 2014. So if a pregnancy test costs about $10:

1,128,783 x 10 = 11,287,830 Million from pregnancy tests vs 485,998,500 Million from Abortion!!!


I am just doing simple math to show a simple point. Planned Parenthood is an abortion organization. Don't be fooled by the pro-choice math. Abortion revenue is their cash cow. And back to Home Depot, Home Depot is definitely pushing their customers into buying indoor gardening products. That's where the profits are coming from. You can bet PP is pushing their patients into what makes them the most money.

Without abortions, Planned Parenthood cannot operate.

CORRECTION:



From my good friend Minnie. Abortion actually makes up 17%! Thanks, Minnie!
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year2late said:
Bucky, you are crunching numbers regarding Planned Parenthood where certain variables are absolutely incorrect.
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Bucky said:
I am not RamFel, so I suggest quoting the right person. And when you say a a fetus cannot feel any pain. Do you have any proof of that?
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I absolutely quoted the correct person. Wow, way to throw Ramfel under the bus for your fuzzy math with incorrect variables inserted.

Not sure what the fetal pain issue has to do with your deflection of onto Ramfel and your incorrect variables into your math equations.
 
TheGoverness said:
I suggest making a better argument.
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Well, and a truthful one as well.:lamo

Perhaps there is some sort of discussion board posting agnosia (dbpt:lamo) where a poster does not recognize the words as his own.:lamo
 
year2late said:
Bucky, you are crunching numbers regarding Planned Parenthood where certain variables are absolutely incorrect.
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Examine this post you made. You quoted Ram and said my name. At least admit you were wrong when the evidence shows you made a mistake.
 
Bucky said:
Examine this post you made. You quoted Ram and said my name. At least admit you were wrong when the evidence shows you made a mistake.
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Refer to post 32, I quoted you exactly.
 
Bucky said:
I am trying to educate you. I know math is not your forte so I helping you out with the hard statistics.
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Hard statistics:lamo
 
year2late said:
Refer to post 32, I quoted you exactly.
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Once again you are attempting to derail my thread with your tactics. I took the emotion out of the abortion debate and used hard facts and statistics. I even cited my source: Planned Parenthood.

You are an abortion zealot.
 
year2late said:
Hard statistics:lamo
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year2late. You are not supposed to look directly in the sun. Perhaps your vision has been compromised and you are having trouble reading my threads.
 
Bucky said:
I am trying to educate you. I know math is not your forte so I helping you out with the hard statistics.
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year2late said:
Hard statistics:lamo
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Yea like the stats that PP charges $1500 for each and every abortion they perform and that they get pregnancy test kits from the Dollar store and then charge women $10 for them.

He even claims he use to work at a PP clinic and doesn't even know PP uses blood tests for pregnancy tests not urine.

:roll:
 
Bucky said:
Once again you are attempting to derail my thread with your tactics. I took the emotion out of the abortion debate and used hard facts and statistics. I even cited my source: Planned Parenthood.

You are an abortion zealot.
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I looked back at pot 27 and you are correct, it was Ramfel. I apologize.


Interestingly enough....how does that change that the some of the variables in your equations are beyond sketchy. (cost of abortion at Planned Parenthood for example)
 
minnie616 said:
Yea like the stats that PP charges $1500 for each and every abortion they perform and that they get pregnancy test kits from the Dollar charge and then charge women $10 for them.

He even claims he use to work at a PP clinic and doesn't even know PP uses blood tests for pregnancy tests not urine.

:roll:
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I was in charge of their budget so I do know the actual numbers. I am using alternative sources not available the mainstream media. You and year2late are just clock punchers that didn't have access to anything of significance.
 
minnie616 said:
Yea like the stats that PP charges $1500 for each and every abortion they perform and that they get pregnancy test kits from the Dollar charge and then charge women $10 for them.

He even claims he use to work at a PP clinic and doesn't even know PP uses blood tests for pregnancy tests not urine.

:roll:
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Heck, I even posted a website where to find cost of abortion across the country.

His number seems to be based on the much less frequent abortions that happen later in pregnancy.
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When he inserts bad variables into his equations.....the resultant data is just as bad.

He wont even insert his prior "facts" into the equation his assertion that most planned parenthoods only do abortions and pregnancy tests.

He wonders why we don't trust his sources,
 
Bucky said:
I was in charge of their budget so I do know the actual numbers. I am using alternative sources not available the mainstream media. You and year2late are just clock punchers that didn't have access to anything of significance.
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You were in charge of their budget and you had no idea that Planned Parenhood charges about $450 not $1500 for a first trimester abortion?
 
minnie616 said:
You were in charge of their budget and you had no idea that Planned Parenhood charges about $450 not $1500 for a first trimester abortion?
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And if he was their number cruncher....how did he come to the conclusion that most Planned Parenthoods ONLY do abortions and pregnancy tests?
 
minnie616 said:
You were in charge of their budget and you had no idea that Planned Parenhood charges about $450 not $1500 for a first trimester abortion?
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Actually in the second trimester an abortion can cost $3,000 my friend.

The cost for an abortion depends on variety of circumstances, including how far along a woman is in her pregnancy, as well as where she lives, her insurance, Medicaid or other funding. Where you get a surgical abortion is also a major factor, as hospitals will cost more than a clinic.
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https://www.glamour.com/story/how-much-does-an-abortion-cost

My stat was not wrong. An abortion can cost up to $1,500, even more. And the fact is an abortion is PP's, "big-ticket" item.

Planned Parenthood does not want you to know that 90% of pregnant women that go to PP are getting an abortion.

Abortion is a significant surgical procedure. Handing out condoms and doing pregnancy tests can be done by a monkey.
 
year2late said:
Your beliefs are yours.

Personally I don't think a first trimester fetus any ability to feel a frustration.
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What I don't understand about people like you is that you are personally against abortion. Personally, this is not an issue that directly affects you. I disagree with the guns nuts in the gun forum but I understand their point of view because they own and use guns. For them, guns is part of their lifestyle.

Supporting abortion is a fringe position supported by nutbars on the left. Gun supporters are nutbars too, however they have a deranged lifestyle shooting animals and collecting weapons that kill people.

You seem somewhat rational. I am suprised you stand with such a radical movement.
 
Bucky said:
What I don't understand about people like you is that you are personally against abortion. Personally, this is not an issue that directly affects you. I disagree with the guns nuts in the gun forum but I understand their point of view because they own and use guns. For them, guns is part of their lifestyle.

Supporting abortion is a fringe position supported by nutbars on the left. Gun supporters are nutbars too, however they have a deranged lifestyle shooting animals and collecting weapons that kill people.

You seem somewhat rational. I am suprised you stand with such a radical movement.
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Supporting abortion is a fringe position? Name the countries that outlaw all forms of abortion....lets see this long list of ethical nations
 
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