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Curious argument

Mach said:
No, why would you think that? This is simple definition stuff:
Rape is defined in most jurisdictions as sexual intercourse, or other forms of sexual penetration, initiated by a perpetrator against a victim without their consent.[16]
Finger, object, doesn't matter Bucky.

No, I simply mean the courts/jury may or may not find it as rape. If she didn't explicitly consent but he legitimately had evidence to believe she did, they may go easy on him (him in this case...) and not find it as rape. It's basically CYA speak. If you're making out, and things progress, and you do that, then she claims it was rape, you may not be charged with rape depending on who said what, when, etc., they may not find it as rape by consensual.
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Yes.

If it is not consensual and there is either penile or "other object" penetration....if there is a whole lot of problems for the perp, Whether it is called rape or sexual assault, If proven, the perp is looking at jail and sexual offender status.

Now if the act is mutual and the person is under the age of consent and the other is a minor as well....different jurisdictions will look at the difference in ages to decide if or how to prosecute.
 
Bucky said:
Thank you for making this comment. Using your finger vs. your penis is very different. Hypothetically, you can rape someone with your finger, however, finger banging is more about foreplay IMO.
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There's an extremely easy way to test your opinion.
 
year2late said:
Yes.

If it is not consensual and there is either penile or "other object" penetration....if there is a whole lot of problems for the perp, Whether it is called rape or sexual assault, If proven, the perp is looking at jail and sexual offender status.

Now if the act is mutual and the person is under the age of consent and the other is a minor as well....different jurisdictions will look at the difference in ages to decide if or how to prosecute.
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Good to know. Thanks for the information.
 
Bucky said:
What if it was like a younger brother or sister?
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Horrible! Tragic! Disgusting !

Siblings want their older siblings to protect them and to keep others from taking advantage of them.

For an older sibling to violate a younger sibling that way is the very essence of destroing their trust and faith in family.
 
Man, this thread just gets worse and worse and worse...
 
Bucky said:
Apparently, fingers can cause pregnancies and STDs now?

You are equating them as the same thing but they are categorically different for several reasons. No baby has been born or aborted due to finger banging. No one has ever gottten a STD from finger banging.
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th.jpg One does risk the dreaded "stinky pinky" Two in the pink and one in the stink! :)
 
Bucky said:
I have no reason to answer that question because the way you phrased it. No matter how I answer that question, it is designed in your favor.
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Don't blame Y2L. You are the one that took this stupid position to begin with. You have no one to blame but yourself.
 
Bucky said:
A lot of you are showing your age. Sexually experimenting is not rape. This is classic "right-wing propaganda." If someone has intent to rape, they aren't using their finger.
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*massive facepalm*
 
Bucky said:
What if it was like a younger brother or sister?
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That would change nothing. It would still be rape/molestation.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
 
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Bucky said:
Thank you for making this comment. Using your finger vs. your penis is very different. Hypothetically, you can rape someone with your finger, however, finger banging is more about foreplay IMO.
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Good lord.

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celticwar17 said:
What kind of comment is that o_O?

Is that accurate or are you just getting emotional because of the topic?

Bucky actually believes rape victims deserved to be raped?
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Governess is correct, the OP has made some comments in the past indicating that rape, in many cases, is the fault of the victim.
 
Bucky said:
A penis is much more personal than a finger. I'm sure most women can tell the difference. Has a man ever given you chow? I'm sure you can tell the difference if he was using his tongue or his fingers.
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I have no clue what you are saying by this.

Are you saying if it is not a penis involved in the sexual assault it is not a very serious crime?
 
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TheGoverness said:
That would change nothing. It would still be rape/molestation.

This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
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The ages and the age difference give the authorities a better idea how to handle the situation.

I am not sure what Bucky meant. Was he implying that if it was a younger brother or sister it was ok?
 
year2late said:
I have no clue what you are saying by this.

Are you saying if it is not a penis involved in the sexual assault it is not a very serious crime?
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It's difficult to see it any other way. Right?
 
TheGoverness said:
That is what I think he's implying.
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I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one, and take it that he meant not call the cops or involve other professionals. But, rather, just keep the issue quiet and discipline any offender within the confines of the family. I'm not saying I agree--in fact, I strongly disagree--but I believe that is where he is going with it.
 
calamity said:
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one, and take it that he meant not call the cops or involve other professionals. But, rather, just keep the issue quiet and discipline any offender within the confines of the family. I'm not saying I agree--in fact, I strongly disagree--but I believe that is where he is going with it.
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A lot would depend on the ages and how far apart in ages they were

Possible examples depending on situation.

16/8 police

12/11 counseling and such.

I will say a family "handling it" can yield horrible results. What they perceive has consensual might really be the younger feeling pressure (much like a boss over employee),

Complicated to say the least.
 
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