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Men (Cisgender Men) Can Get Pregnant & Have A Uterus, So Abortion Is A Unisex Issue

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One of my biggest pet peeves is when people, most often pro-choice feminists, act as if abortion is a women's issue, and tell men to shut up about it because they supposedly cannot get pregnant, often telling them "No Uterus, No Opinion". I think this is a bunch of bull****.

First of all, a uterus is unnecessary for pregnancy, anyways, as attested to by the cases of ectopic pregnancies, including abdominal pregnancies, in which the blastocyst implants into the abdominal wall or one of the myriad organs in the abdomen, instead of the uterus. A male could hypothetically have such an abdominal pregnancy, and, in fact, a male baboon and a male chimpanzee have actually been impregnated in such a manner in experiments, with the baboon's pregnancy being terminated after four months, and the chimpanzee's pregnancy being carried to term, with a healthy infant chimpanzee being successfully delivered by cesarean section. Mouse embryos have also been implanted onto the testes of male mice in experiments, with one embryo surviving in its male host's testes for up to twelve days.

Second of all, male humans have, in fact, gotten pregnant, and have had abortions, thanks due to a bizarre condition known as fetus-in-fetu, or parasitic twins. This is when one embryo is absorbed by another during a twin pregnancy, and continues living inside its host sibling's body as a parasite after birth. The parasitic fetus is connected to its host by a umbilical cord-like structure called a pedicle. So men have, indeed, been pregnant, in the sense of having a fetus residing inside of them, and have had abortions, in the sense of having said fetus removed from inside of them.

Second of all, it is a little-known fact that males actually possess a rudimentary, vestigial uterus inside their prostate, called the prostatic utricle, which is connected to the urethra as it passes through the prostate by way of a connection on a raised portion of the prostatic urethra called the seminal colliculus, or verumontanum. So, ironically, the "No Uterus, No Opinion" claim is not even accurate, as, chances are, the man it is being said to DOES actually have a uterus, albeit one that does not undergo menstruation.

Hypothetically, an embryo could implant into the male uterus, and so a male could even have a uterine pregnancy. Since the female uterus can stretch exponentially during the course of a pregnancy to accommodate a growing fetus, the male uterus would probably be able to do so, as well. And, as the tissue of the prostate that the male uterus is inside of contains some of the same proteins that allow the female uterus to expand during pregnancy, the prostate would probably also be able to stretch to accommodate the growing uterus, and fetus, within it, just as the abdominal muscles surrounding the female uterus stretch to accomodate the growing uterus and fetus during pregnancy.

Theoretically, a male could even get pregnant as a result of sexual intercourse with a female. If there was a woman with an atypical menstrual cycle in which she menstruated within one day after ovulating, and she was copulating with a man while she was menstruating, and she was on top, while the man was on bottom, the egg cell could hypothetically exit her vagina with the menstrual flow, and enter his urethral meatus on his penis, entering the urethra, where it could be fertilized by a sperm cell, conceiving a zygote inside the body of the male. The zygote, as it develops into a morula and then a blastocyst, could then travel down the urethra and enter the male uterus, where it would implant, initiating a male uterine gestation.

So it is obvious to me that, even though this fits in with the fact that sex differentiation is a spectrum, which liberals (correctly, in my opinion) point out, many liberals and many feminists, nevertheless, deny science by denying the possibility, and the occurrence, of male pregnancy and abortions of zygotes, embryos, and fetuses inside males, and by denying that males do, in fact, possess a uterus. This is because it conflicts with their misandry-fueled crusade to shut men out of the abortion debate, which they make out to be a women's issue, whereas, in fact, as anyone can get pregnant, regardless of their sex or gender, pregnancy, and, therefore, by extension, abortion, is, in fact, a unisex issue.
 
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One of my biggest pet peeves is when people, most often pro-choice feminists, act as if abortion is a women's issue, and tell men to shut up about it because they supposedly cannot get pregnant, often telling them "No Uterus, No Opinion". I think this is a bunch of bull****.

First of all, a uterus is unnecessary for pregnancy, anyways, as attested to by the cases of ectopic pregnancies, including abdominal pregnancies, in which the blastocyst implants into the abdominal wall or one of the myriad organs in the abdomen, instead of the uterus. A male could hypothetically have such an abdominal pregnancy, and, in fact, a male baboon and a male chimpanzee have actually been impregnated in such a manner in experiments, with the baboon's pregnancy being terminated after four months, and the chimpanzee's pregnancy being carried to term, with a healthy infant chimpanzee being successfully delivered by cesarean section. Mouse embryos have also been implanted onto the testes of male mice in experiments, with one embryo surviving in its male host's testes for up to twelve days.

Second of all, male humans have, in fact, gotten pregnant, and have had abortions, thanks due to a bizarre condition known as fetus-in-fetu, or parasitic twins. This is when one embryo is absorbed by another during a twin pregnancy, and continues living inside its host sibling's body as a parasite after birth. The parasitic fetus is connected to its host by a umbilical cord-like structure called a pedicle. So men have, indeed, been pregnant, in the sense of having a fetus residing inside of them, and have had abortions, in the sense of having said fetus removed from inside of them.

Second of all, it is a little-known fact that males actually possess a rudimentary, vestigial uterus inside their prostate, called the prostatic utricle, which is connected to the urethra as it passes through the prostate by way of a connection on a raised portion of the prostatic urethra called the seminal colliculus, or verumontanum. So, ironically, the "No Uterus, No Opinion" claim is not even accurate, as, chances are, the man it is being said to DOES actually have a uterus, albeit one that does not undergo menstruation.

Hypothetically, an embryo could implant into the male uterus, and so a male could even have a uterine pregnancy. Since the female uterus can stretch exponentially during the course of a pregnancy to accommodate a growing fetus, the male uterus would probably be able to do so, as well. And, as the tissue of the prostate that the male uterus is inside of contains some of the same proteins that allow the female uterus to expand during pregnancy, the prostate would probably also be able to stretch to accommodate the growing uterus, and fetus, within it, just as the abdominal muscles surrounding the female uterus stretch to accomodate the growing uterus and fetus during pregnancy.

Theoretically, a male could even get pregnant as a result of sexual intercourse with a female. If a woman with an atypical menstrual cycle in which she menstruated within one day after ovulating, and she was copulating with a man while she was menstruating, and she was on top, while the man was on bottom, the egg cell could hypothetically exit her vagina with the menstrual flow, and enter his urethral meatus on his penis, entering the urethra, where it could be fertilized by a sperm cell, conceiving a zygote inside the body of the male. The zygote, as it develops into a morula and then a blastocyst, could then travel down the urethra and enter the male uterus, where it would implant, initiating a male uterine gestation.

So it is obvious to me that, even though this fits in with the fact that sex differentiation is a spectrum, which liberals (correctly, in my opinion) point out, many liberals and many feminists, nevertheless, deny science by denying the possibility, and the occurrence, of male pregnancy and abortions of zygotes, embryos, and fetuses inside males, and by denying that males do, in fact, possess a uterus. This is because it conflicts with their misandry-fueled crusade to shut men out of the abortion debate, which they make out to be a women's issue, whereas, in fact, as anyone can get pregnant, regardless of their sex or gender, pregnancy, and, therefore, by extension, abortion, is, in fact, a unisex issue.


When your uterus is harboring a zygote give us a shout. (If you are a male at birth)

But I'd really love to statistics on actual "male gender at birth" individuals become pregnant on an annual basis - gestate - and give birth.
 
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I get your claims. If say 15% of the pregnancies consistently occurred with cisgender males, then I see your unisex claim being relevant. And even carry some legal weight, but that's not what we see happening with human reproduction.
 
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Let us know when cismen become pregnant from sexual intercourse......
 
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Interesting case study.

If a person born a women that have transitioned a man gets pregnant, does that.... man (or woman) have control or his/her reproductive rights?
 
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Interesting case study.

If a person born a women that have transitioned a man gets pregnant, does that.... man (or woman) have control or his/her reproductive rights?

That person hasn't transitioned if s/he still has a uterus. Of course s/he has reproductive rights!
 
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Theoretically, a male could even get pregnant as a result of sexual intercourse with a female. If there was a woman with an atypical menstrual cycle in which she menstruated within one day after ovulating, and she was copulating with a man while she was menstruating, and she was on top, while the man was on bottom, the egg cell could hypothetically exit her vagina with the menstrual flow, and enter his urethral meatus on his penis, entering the urethra, where it could be fertilized by a sperm cell, conceiving a zygote inside the body of the male. The zygote, as it develops into a morula and then a blastocyst, could then travel down the urethra and enter the male uterus, where it would implant, initiating a male uterine gestation.

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ummm.... what the ****?
 
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Well, this is quite the odd thread.

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One of my biggest pet peeves is when people, most often pro-choice feminists, act as if abortion is a women's issue, and tell men to shut up about it because they supposedly cannot get pregnant, often telling them "No Uterus, No Opinion". I think this is a bunch of bull****.

First of all, a uterus is unnecessary for pregnancy, anyways, as attested to by the cases of ectopic pregnancies, including abdominal pregnancies, in which the blastocyst implants into the abdominal wall or one of the myriad organs in the abdomen, instead of the uterus. A male could hypothetically have such an abdominal pregnancy, and, in fact, a male baboon and a male chimpanzee have actually been impregnated in such a manner in experiments, with the baboon's pregnancy being terminated after four months, and the chimpanzee's pregnancy being carried to term, with a healthy infant chimpanzee being successfully delivered by cesarean section. Mouse embryos have also been implanted onto the testes of male mice in experiments, with one embryo surviving in its male host's testes for up to twelve days.

Second of all, male humans have, in fact, gotten pregnant, and have had abortions, thanks due to a bizarre condition known as fetus-in-fetu, or parasitic twins. This is when one embryo is absorbed by another during a twin pregnancy, and continues living inside its host sibling's body as a parasite after birth. The parasitic fetus is connected to its host by a umbilical cord-like structure called a pedicle. So men have, indeed, been pregnant, in the sense of having a fetus residing inside of them, and have had abortions, in the sense of having said fetus removed from inside of them.

Second of all, it is a little-known fact that males actually possess a rudimentary, vestigial uterus inside their prostate, called the prostatic utricle, which is connected to the urethra as it passes through the prostate by way of a connection on a raised portion of the prostatic urethra called the seminal colliculus, or verumontanum. So, ironically, the "No Uterus, No Opinion" claim is not even accurate, as, chances are, the man it is being said to DOES actually have a uterus, albeit one that does not undergo menstruation.

Hypothetically, an embryo could implant into the male uterus, and so a male could even have a uterine pregnancy. Since the female uterus can stretch exponentially during the course of a pregnancy to accommodate a growing fetus, the male uterus would probably be able to do so, as well. And, as the tissue of the prostate that the male uterus is inside of contains some of the same proteins that allow the female uterus to expand during pregnancy, the prostate would probably also be able to stretch to accommodate the growing uterus, and fetus, within it, just as the abdominal muscles surrounding the female uterus stretch to accomodate the growing uterus and fetus during pregnancy...

Firstly, no pro-choicer has ever argued that an abortion is the business of anyone but the person it's happening in. If that is ever a man, then it is only his business.

Secondly, you have provided no evidence of natural pregnancy in human males. Fetus-in-fetu is not a viable pregnancy, therefore those men do not have abortions, as such. Abortions take advantage of a natural expulsion system -- a uterus. A surgery to remove what is, in effect, a tumor, is not an abortion. A vestigial structure is not the same as a uterus, which is why scientists DON'T REFER TO IT as a uterus. It's not one.

I mean, by your logic, all women have penises, because the clitoris is an analogous structure to the penis, so we should get to tell you what you're allowed to do with your penis. That makes zero sense.

Implanted pregnancy is interesting but as of yet has never happened to a human male, and again, I doubt any pro-choicer would argue against your right to make your own medical choices if such a thing ever was performed. If you ever have a pregnancy implanted into you, then feel free to make your own medical choices about it. I'm sure I'm in unanimous company with that opinion, amongst other pro-choicers.

People who are not pregnant do not get a say. No human male has ever been pregnant, as of this point in history. Whatever man does eventually become pregnant can have a say... to their own pregnancy. And no one else's.
 
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Obviously, there is no gender bias. Any person of any gender who becomes pregnant has the right to make a choice of whether or not to abort. I think what you are actually arguing for is the ability of men who aren't pregnant to make choices for women who are and, presumably, vice versa. Fear not, if you, as a man, get pregnant, I will deny ANY woman the right to tell you what to do with your little parasite. It's only fair.
 
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Firstly, no pro-choicer has ever argued that an abortion is the business of anyone but the person it's happening in. If that is ever a man, then it is only his business.

Secondly, you have provided no evidence of natural pregnancy in human males. Fetus-in-fetu is not a viable pregnancy, therefore those men do not have abortions, as such. Abortions take advantage of a natural expulsion system -- a uterus. A surgery to remove what is, in effect, a tumor, is not an abortion. A vestigial structure is not the same as a uterus, which is why scientists DON'T REFER TO IT as a uterus. It's not one.

I mean, by your logic, all women have penises, because the clitoris is an analogous structure to the penis, so we should get to tell you what you're allowed to do with your penis. That makes zero sense.

Implanted pregnancy is interesting but as of yet has never happened to a human male, and again, I doubt any pro-choicer would argue against your right to make your own medical choices if such a thing ever was performed. If you ever have a pregnancy implanted into you, then feel free to make your own medical choices about it. I'm sure I'm in unanimous company with that opinion, amongst other pro-choicers.

People who are not pregnant do not get a say. No human male has ever been pregnant, as of this point in history. Whatever man does eventually become pregnant can have a say... to their own pregnancy. And no one else's.

Fetus-in-fetu is not a viable pregnancy (at least in all cases reported so far that I have seen), but, then again, neither are many female pregnancies, including ones that are aborted. If a woman whom is pregnant with a deformed fetus that will never develop to the point of viability gets an abortion, according to your logic, was she never really pregnant, and did she never really have an abortion? The viability of the pregnancy does not matter. Either way, it is a pregnancy, and, as terminating a pregnancy is the definition of abortion, the termination of such a pregnancy would constitute an abortion.

So, as fetus-in-fetu is, indeed, a pregnancy, biologically male individuals belonging to the species Homo sapiens have, indeed, been pregnant.

And the fetus in fetus-in-fetu, if it is still living, is not a tumor, as its cells and tissues are organized and working together to sustain the life of a whole organism, whereas, in a tumor, no such organismal integration is present, with the tumor being merely a disorganized bundle of tissues and cells (now that could truly be referred to as a clump of cells, not an embryo or a fetus).

And the prostatic utricle IS actually referred to as a uterus by scientists sometimes. It is sometimes referred to as the uterus masculinus, and, in fact, this is what it was often referred to as when it was first discovered. Yes, the clitoris is the female homologue to the penis, and I also sometimes think of it as a female penis, and of the penis as a male clitoris. However, there are important differences. The penis has a urethra passing through it, and a urethral meatus, the hole that urine and semen are expelled from, at the tip of the glans, whereas the clitoris does not. The penis also has a layer of tissue called the corpus spongiosum going through it, whereas the clitoris does not, with the female homologue of the corpus spongiosum being the vestibular bulbs, which do not run throughout the length of the clitoris, as the corpus spongiosum does in the penis.

The prostatic utricle, or uterus masculinus, meanwhile, contains a lumen (internal cavity) lined by columnar epithelium, constituting an endometrium, just like the female uterus, with a stroma consisting of connective tissue lying underneath it, just like the female uterus, and a muscle layer underneath that, corresponding to the myometrium of the female uterus. And it is encircled by a sheath of connective tissue around the muscle layer, just like the connective tissue sheath that surrounds the myometrium of the female uterus, known as the perimetrium.

For the record, here's a scientific paper describing endometrial cancer hypothesized to have emanated from the male uterus, or prostatic utricle, in a male: https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/wiley/e...rostatic-utricle-uterus-masculinus-YYH1IPZ7RQ

Endometriosis has also occurred in males, and has been hypothesized to have arisen from the prostatic utricle, or uterus masculinus, as well.

And, yes, it is, of course, different from the female uterus, as it obviously does not undergo a monthly menstrual cycle. But some women also have primary amenorrhea, in which they never reach menarche, and do not menstruate, yet their uterus is still definitely a uterus, and is termed as such, even though it is different from a typical female uterus due to it not menstruating. I see no reason why the prostatic utricle cannot be termed a male uterus, despite this difference due to not menstruating, as well.
 
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Fetus-in-fetu is not a viable pregnancy (at least in all cases reported so far that I have seen), but, then again, neither are many female pregnancies, including ones that are aborted. If a woman whom is pregnant with a deformed fetus that will never develop to the point of viability gets an abortion, according to your logic, was she never really pregnant, and did she never really have an abortion? The viability of the pregnancy does not matter. Either way, it is a pregnancy, and, as terminating a pregnancy is the definition of abortion, the termination of such a pregnancy would constitute an abortion.

So, as fetus-in-fetu is, indeed, a pregnancy, biologically male individuals belonging to the species Homo sapiens have, indeed, been pregnant.

And the fetus in fetus-in-fetu, if it is still living, is not a tumor, as its cells and tissues are organized and working together to sustain the life of a whole organism, whereas, in a tumor, no such organismal integration is present, with the tumor being merely a disorganized bundle of tissues and cells (now that could truly be referred to as a clump of cells, not an embryo or a fetus).

And the prostatic utricle IS actually referred to as a uterus by scientists sometimes. It is sometimes referred to as the uterus masculinus, and, in fact, this is what it was often referred to as when it was first discovered. Yes, the clitoris is the female homologue to the penis, and I also sometimes think of it as a female penis, and of the penis as a male clitoris. However, there are important differences. The penis has a urethra passing through it, and a urethral meatus, the hole that urine and semen are expelled from, at the tip of the glans, whereas the clitoris does not. The penis also has a layer of tissue called the corpus spongiosum going through it, whereas the clitoris does not, with the female homologue of the corpus spongiosum being the vestibular bulbs, which do not run throughout the length of the clitoris, as the corpus spongiosum does in the penis.

The prostatic utricle, or uterus masculinus, meanwhile, contains a lumen (internal cavity) lined by columnar epithelium, constituting an endometrium, just like the female uterus, with a stroma consisting of connective tissue lying underneath it, just like the female uterus, and a muscle layer underneath that, corresponding to the myometrium of the female uterus. And it is encircled by a sheath of connective tissue around the muscle layer, just like the connective tissue sheath that surrounds the myometrium of the female uterus, known as the perimetrium...

This still doesn't work, as there are men who have a lowered urethra, and they are still considered to have a penis, albeit one with an unusual presentation. They are built from the same tissue, but are categorically not the same organ. Likewise, the prostate is not a uterus. It simply isn't. It doesn't function like a uterus. It functions like a prostate. If there was no meaningful difference between these things, they wouldn't have different names. No doctor has ever called it a "male clitoris." You defeat your own argument when you try to say we should consider the prostate a uterus, but we should consider a uterus with amenorrhea to still be a uterus and not something else.

Abortion describes a METHOD of removal. That method requires a uterus, because it utilizes the natural expulsion properties of said uterus. When a woman has a fetus or baby removed in a way that is NOT through the uterus, it is NOT called an abortion (it is called a C-section for live births, and a laparoscopy or laparotomy for a removal of an ectopic pregnancy). Given that men have no natural expulsion system, they cannot have an abortion, because they do not have the structures required to perform that METHOD of medical intervention. They may have some sort of abdominal surgery to remove something like fetus-in-fetu, but it is not an abortion. Abortion is a METHOD.

You seem to be seriously confusing your medical terminology here.

Anyway, I fail to see how any of this matters given the underlying statement: no pro-choicer who would say a man who was actually pregnant should not have control of his pregnancy.

Given that no one thinks a woman should have a say in a man's theoretical pregnancy (or indeed, how he deals with something like fetus-in-fetu), I fail to see how this accomplishes the argument that a man should have a say in a woman's pregnancy.
 
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Male gestation can be done, but it's not covered by Obamacare as far as I know, so you are on your own.
 
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This still doesn't work, as there are men who have a lowered urethra, and they are still considered to have a penis, albeit one with an unusual presentation. They are built from the same tissue, but are categorically not the same organ. Likewise, the prostate is not a uterus. It simply isn't. It doesn't function like a uterus. It functions like a prostate. If there was no meaningful difference between these things, they wouldn't have different names. No doctor has ever called it a "male clitoris." You defeat your own argument when you try to say we should consider the prostate a uterus, but we should consider a uterus with amenorrhea to still be a uterus and not something else.

Abortion describes a METHOD of removal. That method requires a uterus, because it utilizes the natural expulsion properties of said uterus. When a woman has a fetus or baby removed in a way that is NOT through the uterus, it is NOT called an abortion (it is called a C-section for live births, and a laparoscopy or laparotomy for a removal of an ectopic pregnancy). Given that men have no natural expulsion system, they cannot have an abortion, because they do not have the structures required to perform that METHOD of medical intervention. They may have some sort of abdominal surgery to remove something like fetus-in-fetu, but it is not an abortion. Abortion is a METHOD.

You seem to be seriously confusing your medical terminology here.

Anyway, I fail to see how any of this matters given the underlying statement: no pro-choicer who would say a man who was actually pregnant should not have control of his pregnancy.

Given that no one thinks a woman should have a say in a man's theoretical pregnancy (or indeed, how he deals with something like fetus-in-fetu), I fail to see how this accomplishes the argument that a man should have a say in a woman's pregnancy.

Well, according to these two dictionary definitions, "abortion" is defined as "ending a pregnancy", not necessarily expulsion using the uterus:

abortion Definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/abortion

It says nothing about it being a method, or requiring use of a uterus.

And I never said the prostate was a male uterus. Rather, the prostatic utricle, which is within the prostate, but, crucially, is not part of the prostate, is. In fact, there are some women with a condition, termed Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser Syndrome, or MRKH Syndrome, in which the embryonic stucture that becomes the female uterus (which, at a certain stage of development, embryos of both sexes possess) does not fully develop as in a typical female, which is exactly what happens to form the uterus masculinus in the male. Yet, women with these conditions are still often referred to as having a "rudimentary uterus" or a "vestigial uterus" or an "aplastic uterus". Yet these women's uteri are no different from the prostatic utricle that men have, and, indeed, like men, these women do not menstruate, which is often the first noticeable symptom indicating that they might have the condition.

And never did I ever say that I think a man should be able to have a say over a woman's pregnancy. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy that some, mostly pro-choice, people have when they excoriate pro-life men who share their opinions on abortion, but go easier on the pro-life women who do the same. People are literally saying men shouldn't do so much as merely stating their opinion on abortion, nowhere near anything as significant as trying to control a woman's pregnancy, simply because of their sex, while allowing women to do the same without any problem, and this egregious double standard is what I object to.
 
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Well, according to these two dictionary definitions, "abortion" is defined as "ending a pregnancy", not necessarily expulsion using the uterus:

abortion Definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/abortion

It says nothing about it being a method, or requiring use of a uterus.

And I never said the prostate was a male uterus. Rather, the prostatic utricle, which is within the prostate, but, crucially, is not part of the prostate, is. In fact, there are some women with a condition, termed Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser Syndrome, or MRKH, in which the embryonic stucture that becomes the female uterus (which, at a certain stage of development, embryos of both sexes possess) does not fully develop as in a typical female, which is exactly what happens to form the uterus masculinus in the male. Yet, women with these conditions are still often referred to as having a "rudimentary uterus" or a "vestigial uterus" or an "aplastic uterus". Yet these women's uteri are no different from the prostatic utricle that men have, and, indeed, like men, these women do not menstruate, which is often the first noticeable symptom indicating that they might have the condition.

And never did I ever say that I think a man should be able to have a say over a woman's pregnancy. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy that some, mostly pro-choice, people have when they excoriate pro-life men who share their opinions on abortion, but go easier on the pro-life women who do the same. People are literally saying men shouldn't do so much as merely stating their opinion on abortion, nowhere near anything as significant as trying to control a woman's pregnancy, simply because of their sex, while allowing women to do the same without any problem, and this egregious double standard is what I object to.

Ok then. So why isn't a C-section, which ends a pregnancy, or a laparoscopy, which might end a pregnancy, called an abortion? Hint: because abortions describes a method.

A prostatic utricle cannot support a pregnancy. This is absurd.

I have never noticed anyone going "easier" on anti women. I certainly don't. If anything I tend to go harder on them (as I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate to say themselves); they should have more empathy for the complexities of pregnancy than someone who will never experience one. So I have no clue what you're talking about.

If you are not pregnant, your opinion should be limited to your own private relationships and selecting partners accordingly, since it is always good for partners to agree. But outside of that, it is none of your business. Since no man has ever been pregnant, it is no man's business beyond those limitations. Should that ever change, then that pregnant man can have opinions about their own pregnancy, and no one else should have one about his.
 
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Well, according to these two dictionary definitions, "abortion" is defined as "ending a pregnancy", not necessarily expulsion using the uterus:

abortion Definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/abortion

It says nothing about it being a method, or requiring use of a uterus.

And I never said the prostate was a male uterus. Rather, the prostatic utricle, which is within the prostate, but, crucially, is not part of the prostate, is. In fact, there are some women with a condition, termed Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser Syndrome, or MRKH Syndrome, in which the embryonic stucture that becomes the female uterus (which, at a certain stage of development, embryos of both sexes possess) does not fully develop as in a typical female, which is exactly what happens to form the uterus masculinus in the male. Yet, women with these conditions are still often referred to as having a "rudimentary uterus" or a "vestigial uterus" or an "aplastic uterus". Yet these women's uteri are no different from the prostatic utricle that men have, and, indeed, like men, these women do not menstruate, which is often the first noticeable symptom indicating that they might have the condition.

And never did I ever say that I think a man should be able to have a say over a woman's pregnancy. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy that some, mostly pro-choice, people have when they excoriate pro-life men who share their opinions on abortion, but go easier on the pro-life women who do the same. People are literally saying men shouldn't do so much as merely stating their opinion on abortion, nowhere near anything as significant as trying to control a woman's pregnancy, simply because of their sex, while allowing women to do the same without any problem, and this egregious double standard is what I object to.

You're conflating a medical procedure with a legal dictum. Your double standard argument is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements.
 
Re: Men (Cisgender Men) Can Get Pregnant & Have A Uterus, So Abortion Is A Unisex Iss

Male gestation can be done, but it's not covered by Obamacare as far as I know, so you are on your own.

Uh huh. :roll:
 
Re: Men (Cisgender Men) Can Get Pregnant & Have A Uterus, So Abortion Is A Unisex Iss

Male gestation can be done, but it's not covered by Obamacare as far as I know, so you are on your own.

Prove it.:lamo

This thread makes my brain hurt.:shock:
 
Re: Men (Cisgender Men) Can Get Pregnant & Have A Uterus, So Abortion Is A Unisex Iss

Ok then. So why isn't a C-section, which ends a pregnancy, or a laparoscopy, which might end a pregnancy, called an abortion? Hint: because abortions describes a method.

A prostatic utricle cannot support a pregnancy. This is absurd.

I have never noticed anyone going "easier" on anti women. I certainly don't. If anything I tend to go harder on them (as I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate to say themselves); they should have more empathy for the complexities of pregnancy than someone who will never experience one. So I have no clue what you're talking about.

If you are not pregnant, your opinion should be limited to your own private relationships and selecting partners accordingly, since it is always good for partners to agree. But outside of that, it is none of your business. Since no man has ever been pregnant, it is no man's business beyond those limitations. Should that ever change, then that pregnant man can have opinions about their own pregnancy, and no one else should have one about his.

Well, you said it yourself. A C-section ends a pregnancy, but the goal is usually a live birth, so it is not an abortion. Likewise, a laparoscopy MIGHT end a pregnancy, but that is not its goal. And I have certainly seen terminations of ectopic pregnancies being referred to as abortions.

And if non-uterine locations, such as the omentum, have supported pregnancies in the past, why wouldn't the prostatic utricle, which consists of the same tissues as the uterus, unlike those other ectopic sites that have successfully supported pregnancies, be able to do so, as well?
 
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Re: Men (Cisgender Men) Can Get Pregnant & Have A Uterus, So Abortion Is A Unisex Iss

Well, you said it yourself. A C-section ends a pregnancy, but the goal is usually a live birth, so it is not an abortion. Likewise, a laproscopy MIGHT end a pregnancy, but that is not its goal. And I have certainly seen terminations of ectopic pregnancies being referred to as abortions.

And if non-uterine locations, such as the omentum, have supported pregnancies in the past, why wouldn't the prostatic utricle, which consists of the same tissues as the uterus, unlike those other ectopic sites that have successfully supported pregnancies, be able to do so, as well?

Not always; depends on the condition of the pregnancy. For late-term complications or fetal death, a C-section may be safer and faster than an abortion. And it's still considered a C-section.

Fact is, that has never happened as of this point in history. Therefore, there is no man past or present who has ever been pregnant, and therefore there is no man who is entitled to a say in any pregnancy that has ever occured.

Like I said, if that changes, have at it... for yourself. But right now, this simply doesn't concern you.
 
Re: Men (Cisgender Men) Can Get Pregnant & Have A Uterus, So Abortion Is A Unisex Iss

Not always; depends on the condition of the pregnancy. For late-term complications or fetal death, a C-section may be safer and faster than an abortion. And it's still considered a C-section.

Fact is, that has never happened as of this point in history. Therefore, there is no man past or present who has ever been pregnant, and therefore there is no man who is entitled to a say in any pregnancy that has ever occured.

Like I said, if that changes, have at it... for yourself. But right now, this simply doesn't concern you.

A hysterotomy is a type of abortion that is performed via C-section. In fact, here is an article (a pro-choice article, actually) referring to such an operation as an abortion: https://rewire.news/article/2013/06...triz-and-the-global-anti-choice-spin-machine/

(Pertinent quote from above article: "Beatriz had a hysterotomy, a form of abortion carried out through c-section, and a procedure of such high risk compared to other forms of abortion, and of such last resort, according to medical experts, it is practically never performed in the United States.")

So the two terms are not mutually exclusive. One can have a C-section abortion, or a laparoscopy abortion. And, as I have stated previously, fetus-in-fetu, in some cases, can be defined as a pregnancy, and, if removal of it by laparoscopy constitutes a type of abortion, then, males have gotten pregnant before, and have had abortions before.
 
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