Should men be involved?

HowardBThiname said:

That happens all the time. It's legal for a mother to drop off her baby -- no questions asked -- at a number of designated places in most states.

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Oh, please. Anyone could do that, male or female.

No one should be "stuck with a kid" if they don't want the kid. It's the worst possible scenario for a child. But a man should have the same option a woman has to opt-out, financially and emotionally, within a set amount of time, perhaps in the first trimester. Just as she can't change her mind later in the pregnancy, neither should he be allowed to -- unless -- he didn't know the woman was pregnant. If she kept it from him, he should still have an amount of time, a month or so after he learns, to opt-out.

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He can force her to be a single parent, but she can't force him to be a single parent? That doesn't seem fair or equal. She should be able to be against abortion and opt out of the financial responsibility for her action. If she wants, he gets the kid and all the responsibility.

If a man can abandon responsibility for his actions, and put everything on the other person, why can't she?

ecofarm said:

Oh, please. Anyone could do that, male or female.



He can force her to be a single parent, but she can't force him to be a single parent? That doesn't seem fair or equal. She should be able to be against abortion and opt out of the financial responsibility for her action. If she wants, he gets the kid and all the responsibility.

If a man can abandon responsibility for his actions, and put everything on the other person, why can't she?

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Of course a man can be a single parent -- if he wants the child and if the mother does not. She should not be able to force him to be a parent, however, just as he should not force her to be a parent. I think it should be equal for both parties. That's all I meant.

BillRM said:

I find it sad that a man would not have the kind of relationship with the woman that he would not repeat not need a law in order to be notified of her condition or be ask by her for his inputs on the situation.

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True. But it is sad we need many of the laws we have.

HowardBThiname said:

Of course a man can be a single parent -- if he wants the child and if the mother does not. She should not be able to force him to be a parent, however, just as he should not force her to be a parent. I think it should be equal for both parties. That's all I meant.

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It's not equal for both parties unless she has the option (regardless of his wishes) to dump the kid on him.

ecofarm said:

It's not equal for both parties unless she has the option (regardless of his wishes) to dump the kid on him.

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Why would you say that?

If he doesn't have the option of dumping the kid on her -- why should she have the option of dumping the kid on him? Why should one person be allowed to force a kid on another person?

Why not give both parents the same options? I'm prochoice -- let her abort if she feels having the kid isn't right for her. But, give the male the same chance to opt-out early on.

In my own opinion I think both sides should have equal share as it is a decision that will effect both of them for their whole life. I am certainly in favor of promoting fathers to be "actual fathers" and be involved in the child's life. However I believe the morality of abortion is wrong. I am not a super religious person by any means, however I do believe life starts when sperm meets egg. I also believe the baby has the right to live. My theory is you can't kill something just because it is inconvenient to you. The fact that people say "well I'm poor so I can't take care of a child" is awful. There is adoption and many other ways to still give the child its needs after birth. If you don't want a kid, don't have sex out of wedlock or use protection. I'm ok with rape victims getting an abortion, and if the mother's life is threatened it is also acceptable to me. However, rape victims account for about 1% of abortions so it is not by any means common. The child is not the mothers body. It is a separate living being. I like a scenario that The Daily Wire's Ben Shapiro said about babies not being able to function outside of the womb therefor it is not a life. He said, "if a person is now on life support now all of a sudden he/she is not a human anymore?" Just because they cannot function without something's outside help, does not mean it is not a life. But, for the time being abortion is legal, so I just wanted to hear some other people's rebuttals. Abortion should be a very difficult decision because you are taking a LIFE and life is precious.