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"Not good for the girl" ??? "Too risky" ????

FutureIncoming said:
STUPIDLY FALSE. Because (see below and below-er) ...


OPINIONS ARE NEVER SUPERIOR TO FACT. In an overpopulated world, there is no rational reason to force unnecessary mouths-to-feed to get born (especially if that also promotes the successful reproduction of rapists' genes).


A STANDARD STUPID LIE OF ABORTION OPPONENTS. The word "murder" only applies to killing a person, like an extraterrestrial alien peacefully walking down the ramp of a landed flying saucer. It does not apply to killing entities that are **provably** nothing more than mindless animals, like mosquitoes and rats and unborn humans. DO remember that the US Constitution-plus-Amendments use the word "person" throughout, and don't use the word "human" even once.


FALSE, because of modern medical technologies. A laser-equipped and camera-equipped fiber optic system can allow the doctor to cut through the umbilical cord inside the womb, and about ten minutes later, after the fetus dies painlessly from lack of oxygen, the laser can cut the corpse into pieces small enough for easy removal from the pregnant child's body.
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Then let's have a nuclear war. Overpopulation "problem" solved.
 
calamity said:
See.



Told ya.
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And as I said, you might get some but it's going to be a very small percentage of the population.

Again, this is not happening in America.
 
MaggieD said:
There IS no good answer here. I think, though, that the court made the right decision. To abort a 32-week fetus is murder pure and simple. IMO, a C-section would be less risky for this child than an abortion.
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Is it a double murder if the 10 year old AND the baby both die because an emergency abortion is prevented ??
 
Ikari said:
And as I said, you might get some but it's going to be a very small percentage of the population.

Again, this is not happening in America.
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It is in his America...and, his numbers are not exactly shrinking.
 
Dragonfly said:
Is it a double murder if the 10 year old AND the baby both die because an emergency abortion is prevented ??
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Let me guess.

...an act of God. :)
 
calamity said:
It is in his America...and, his numbers are not exactly shrinking.
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What's his America? Some vacuum microcosm?

You started out by saying that this will some day be Indiana. Which is an absurd statement. And just because you'll find some non-zero amount of extremists doesn't mean that somehow this is going to happen in America.
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I don't know. 8 months into the pregnancy??? Abortion vs caesarean seems like a toss up to me as far as safety for the mother is concerned. Though I am no doctor. A horrible situation, no doubt.
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Actually it is a good sitution because a child will be born and loved and cared for. Who are we to judge other countries customs and cultures? I wouldn't recommend a 10-year old being a mother but in India and other countries you see mother's as young as 14, 13, and 12.

A baby will be loved. Blood and violence is not the answer. Remeber, you cannot "unrape" someone.
 
Dragonfly said:
Indian court rejects abortion for 10-year-old rape victim - BBC News




More risky than:




Saddest story I've read in quite a while now.

The pedophilia/incest issue in India is horrifically frightening.
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Horrible story. . . my goodness . . .

So I have to wonder how the girl makes it to 30 weeks and nobody knows? after that I read this:

The court order came after lawyer Alakh Alok Srivastava filed a public interest petition saying doctors who had already examined the girl found her pelvic bones had not fully developed because of her age and the life of both mother and baby were at "very serious risk". "Medical experts have categorically opined that if the 10-year-old is forced to give birth, either through normal delivery or even through caesarean-section, it may be fatal to the life of the rape survivor as well as to her child," the petition said. Indian law does not allow terminations after 20 weeks unless doctors confirm the mother's life is in danger.
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So I'm not sure how the courts are rejecting this since their law state mothers life is in danger. Also as much as it pains me and has terrible as this whole situation is I would not fight against this abortion due to the age of the victim and the the opinions of the doctors of serious risk of life. I would support the family choosing whatever is the safest option for the 10year old.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Horrible story. . . my goodness . . .

So I have to wonder how the girl makes it to 30 weeks and nobody knows? after that I read this:




So I'm not sure how the courts are rejecting this since their law state mothers life is in danger. Also as much as it pains me and has terrible as this whole situation is I would not fight against this abortion due to the age of the victim and the the opinions of the doctors of serious risk of life. I would support the family choosing whatever is the safest option for the 10year old.
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No no. JayDubya said the mother's life was not in danger. And, he's...you know, an expert in these matters.

See?

JayDubya said:
Statistically speaking, you should have a non-negligible percentage of posts containing some truth at some point. It's quite a feat to continue your trend of absolute nonsense.

There is no indication in this case that medical triage applies here, in any way - matter of fact, the doctors have said otherwise. There is no medical urgency or necessity for any sort of drastic intervention here.

You want to compound a rape with a homicide, and yes, homicide is worse than rape, and yes, your POV is absolutely ****ed up.
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Jay knows.
 
FutureIncoming said:
AND ANOTHER (probable) ABORTION OPPONENT CONFUSES PERSONS WITH MERE ANIMALS. Tsk, tsk. Wars target persons. Abortions target mere animals. To claim that an unborn human is anything more than just a mere-animal entity, that is the sort of Positive Claim that you are expected to support or prove in a Debate (rule 5 on that list).
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And another person making excuses about "overpopulation" ignores the easiest and fastest way to solve the overpopulation "problem"---- nuclear war.

Your opinion that the unborn are "mere animals" but that once you are born you are somehow "elevated" beyond "mere animal" status is quite amusing.

Nuke everybody. No more overpopulation problem.
 
Bucky said:
Who are we to judge other countries customs and cultures? I wouldn't recommend a 10-year old being a mother but in India and other countries you see mother's as young as 14, 13, and 12.
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This is basically apologizing for pedophilia. How wretched.
 
calamity said:
No no. JayDubya said the mother's life was not in danger. And, he's...you know, an expert in these matters.

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Jay knows.
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Well I can read a story, and you clearly ****ing can't.

So there is that.
 
Tigerace117 said:
And another person making excuses about "overpopulation" ignores the easiest and fastest way to solve the overpopulation "problem"---- nuclear war.
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NOT REALLY. Where am I saying we need to hurry to solve overpopulation? The problem truly exists and it needs to be solved, but we don't have to be rash. Anyone who claims persons have right-to-life should be against war. Since unborn humans cannot possibly qualify as persons, they don't have right-to-life. ALLOWING abortion to HELP solve the overpopulation problem is not the same thing as mandating abortion (which we might expect fanatics to want).

Tigerace117 said:
Your opinion that the unborn are "mere animals"
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THAT IS OBJECTIVELY MEASURABLE FACT. There is NO characteristic possessed by an unborn human that some ordinary animal cannot match. Our human-ness is NOT what allows us to declare ourselves superior to ordinary animals. It is far more likely that dolphins will be recognized as qualifying as persons, before any unborn human can qualify.

Tigerace117 said:
but that once you are born you are somehow "elevated" beyond "mere animal" status is quite amusing.
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THAT'S THE FAULT OF THE LAW, not the scientific data. The Law has arbitrarily declared humans to be persons at birth, for centuries, long before any scientific data about Objectively Measurable Personhood began to be gathered. As far as the science is concerned, infant humans are still mere-animal entities. I sometimes point out that abortion opponents run the risk of getting infanticide legalized, when they insist that the current Law about the assignment of personhood be changed. That's because nowadays, lawmakers tend to pay attention to relevant scientific data, when crafting new laws.... Better to "let sleeping dogs lie", and for abortion opponents to shut their yaps.

Tigerace117 said:
Nuke everybody. No more overpopulation problem.
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DO YOU LACK THE IMAGINATION TO THINK OF A BETTER WAY? Besides, there are already enough ways for the Universe to kill most or all of us without us lifting a finger to help it do that. The most likely scenario appears to be a Malthusian Catastrophe (up to a 99% death rate of the entirely of humanity can be expected, which obviously would include 99% of all those mouths-to-feed that abortion opponents insist must get born!).
 
Dragonfly said:
Is it a double murder if the 10 year old AND the baby both die because an emergency abortion is prevented ??
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The more I think on this the more horrifying it gets. A ten year old is sooooo young to go through either of those options. Her little body is not made for either yet. And a fetus at 8 months is already a child. A live, kicking baby. It's no longer an abortion, but an emergency C-section. It's possible for the baby to survive outside of the mother.

The only "murder" I'm on board with is the uncle that got her this way.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Horrible story. . . my goodness . . .

So I have to wonder how the girl makes it to 30 weeks and nobody knows? after that I read this:
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If you don't know a 10 year old is being, or has been raped, why would you guess she might be pregnant? Even if there's all kinds of signs?
 
blackjack50 said:
The fate of the uncle is probably not so good. 3rd world countries tend to not be so lenient on pedos.
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I'm pretty sure you're not suggesting we feel any remorse for the uncle, but based on the extreme number of cases of child rape and incest in India, I have trouble thinking they're that tough on the convicted.

Sounds more like it's a rather normal happening, and most/many just live with it as a part of their culture.
 
minnie616 said:
I agree it is a horrible.
If they had caught the pregnancy earlier ...but they didn't.

If she had an abortion, then she still has to go labor to expelled the fetus which can take about 2 to 4 days ( since the fetus is dead the labor is induced medically and takes longer and is more painful than normal labor ).

From a life science article:



https://www.livescience.com/19584-10-year-birth.html
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At 32 weeks geezzz........poor girl.

I would not be in favor of abortion.

I would think the safest way to deliver would be C-section.

I am curious in her area how premature infants fare. In the us 34 weeks is a "good" place to be. But given her age and possible significant nutritional issues - a growing child physiologically supporting a fetus....who knows.

Hopefully a pragmatic OBGYN can figure out when and how to deliver the baby that keeps the childs health at least as important as the well being of the fetus.

Tragic. Tragic. Tragic.

I hope this girl has strong family support. My heart goes out to her,
 
Dragonfly said:
If you don't know a 10 year old is being, or has been raped, why would you guess she might be pregnant? Even if there's all kinds of signs?
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I get that but my point was you would think sooner than 30 weeks there would be cause to see a doctor. I understand the 10 year old would have no clue why she is sick and going through hell but all the other signs that something isn't right you think a parent would notice much sooner. Of course they don't have the thought "She pregnant" but you think they would have the thought, something is wrong. And please don't think I'm blaming them or it changes my opinion of that it should be allowed I'm just pointing out the oddity.
 
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