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Texas’ maternal death rates top most industrialized countries

Removable Mind said:
Texas’ maternal death rates top most industrialized countries

Thank you Texas Legislators. This issue is completely on you! Your title should be The Texas Voters Sanctioned Death Merchants State Fascists Branch of The Lone Star State of Insanity Government.

The Texas Legislators today are so profoundly corrupt in so many ways, but what stands out the most is these so-called Legislators have given their total allegiance to the Religious Right Radicals who generously fill these amoral moron's election collection plates.

The Taliban in the Middle East don't have **** over these scumbags in Texas government.



This is as shameful as it gets.
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Are you trying to say that this is because of the lack of abortions?? What did the article say about the causes:
Why Texas women died from seemingly preventable ailments – and why African-American women are more likely to be affected – remains a mystery, said June Hanke, a task force member and analyst with the Harris Health System in Houston.

The task force combing through the Texas deaths for more clues. “We’re just getting started,” she said.

Some experts point to the state’s cut of family planning services and refusal to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act as possible reasons. In 2011, Texas lawmakers slashed the family planning budget by more than $70 million and, two years later, greatly reduced the number of abortion clinics in the state by mandating they meet ambulatory surgical center standards and employ doctors with admitting privileges at hospitals. The Supreme Court this summer ruled against the abortion restrictions.

But the family planning service cuts didn’t kick in until September 2011 and don’t account for the sharp spike in maternal deaths logged at the beginning of that year, Hollier said. The cuts in health care may have contributed, but are not the sole culprit, she said.
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Oh look!! FACTS!! They don't know what caused this and neither do you! This is just another "I wanna hate someone!" thread by someone who can't seem to get enough hatred in their life.
 
faithful_servant said:
Are you trying to say that this is because of the lack of abortions?? What did the article say about the causes:


Oh look!! FACTS!! They don't know what caused this and neither do you! This is just another "I wanna hate someone!" thread by someone who can't seem to get enough hatred in their life.
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Thanks for your attacking opinions.
 
faithful_servant said:
Are you trying to say that this is because of the lack of abortions?? What did the article say about the causes:


Oh look!! FACTS!! They don't know what caused this and neither do you! This is just another "I wanna hate someone!" thread by someone who can't seem to get enough hatred in their life.
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No sweetie, it's not lack of abortions, which is a only a very small part of what planned parenthood does. They also provide prenatal care which, now that they've been defunded by the oh-so-virtuous Texas legislature, many poor women aren't getting.
 
Ohio also defunded planned parenthood. Their maternal death rate is up too. Gee, I wonder why!
 
bearpoker said:
No sweetie, it's not lack of abortions, which is a only a very small part of what planned parenthood does. They also provide prenatal care which, now that they've been defunded by the oh-so-virtuous Texas legislature, many poor women aren't getting.
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Then why is this in the Abortion forum??? And there are ZERO facts to back up your accusation. In fact, if you had read the article, the FACTS show that this problem started before then. So the very article that's being used as the source for this whole piece of "I wanna hate conservatives." tripe fails to back up your accusation. But my guess is that you're already emotionally committed to your conclusion and are now incapable of looking at it objectively and honestly.
 
Removable Mind said:
Texas’ maternal death rates top most industrialized countries

Thank you Texas Legislators. This issue is completely on you! Your title should be The Texas Voters Sanctioned Death Merchants State Fascists Branch of The Lone Star State of Insanity Government.

The Texas Legislators today are so profoundly corrupt in so many ways, but what stands out the most is these so-called Legislators have given their total allegiance to the Religious Right Radicals who generously fill these amoral moron's election collection plates.

The Taliban in the Middle East don't have **** over these scumbags in Texas government.



This is as shameful as it gets.
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The only thing that matters is why.
 
faithful_servant said:
Then why is this in the Abortion forum??? And there are ZERO facts to back up your accusation. In fact, if you had read the article, the FACTS show that this problem started before then. So the very article that's being used as the source for this whole piece of "I wanna hate conservatives." tripe fails to back up your accusation. But my guess is that you're already emotionally committed to your conclusion and are now incapable of looking at it objectively and honestly.
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What facts will you bring to this thread to refute the report World Health Organization's Report?
 
bearpoker said:
Ohio also defunded planned parenthood. Their maternal death rate is up too. Gee, I wonder why!
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Didn't the maternal death rate start going up at the same time that the ACA was put into effect??

Do you see how easy it is draw stupid conclusions?? It's like the racist who think that all black are lazy and ignorant who will only pay attention to the small minority that fit that description and ignore the overwhelming mass that doesn't and then ignore the lazy and ignorant white people they see. You WANT this to be true, so instead of being honest and objective, you find something that backs up your prejudice and then grab onto it whether it's accurate or not.
 
Removable Mind said:
What facts will you bring to this thread to refute the report World Health Organization's Report?
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I was just looking at what was in the article, which doesn't support your conclusion. But you're way too emotionally invested in being right to ever listen to something as insignificant as facts...
 
Removable Mind said:
Texas’ maternal death rates top most industrialized countries

Thank you Texas Legislators. This issue is completely on you! Your title should be The Texas Voters Sanctioned Death Merchants State Fascists Branch of The Lone Star State of Insanity Government.

The Texas Legislators today are so profoundly corrupt in so many ways, but what stands out the most is these so-called Legislators have given their total allegiance to the Religious Right Radicals who generously fill these amoral moron's election collection plates.

The Taliban in the Middle East don't have **** over these scumbags in Texas government.



This is as shameful as it gets.
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Am I missing something? From what I can tell, Texas only started cutting funds to Planned Parenthood in December of 2016. Your scary story about babies dying cites statistics from 2011 & 2014.

Also, a Texas judge ruled in February of this year that the state can't defund Planned Parenthood.

Texas blocked from defunding Planned Parenthood - CNNPolitics.com
 
jimbo said:
Any reports on how many of those deaths were US citizens or Others sneaking over the borders in order to have a US born baby at US taxpayer's expense?
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Because it is a well known fact that only legal citizens of the usa are capable of giving birth without dieing.
 
truthatallcost said:
Am I missing something? From what I can tell, Texas only started cutting funds to Planned Parenthood in December of 2016. Your scary story about babies dying cites statistics from 2011 & 2014.

Also, a Texas judge ruled in February of this year that the state can't defund Planned Parenthood.

Texas blocked from defunding Planned Parenthood - CNNPolitics.com
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In February of this year? To restore such services can't be done overnight. The residual damage is evident.
 
Removable Mind said:
In February of this year? To restore such services can't be done overnight. The residual damage is evident.
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Cuts to a non-profit for 2 months resulted in increased maternal deaths for a period 4-5 years before those cuts?
 
faithful_servant said:
I was just looking at what was in the article, which doesn't support your conclusion. But you're way too emotionally invested in being right to ever listen to something as insignificant as facts...
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Are you a Texan? I am a native Texan. I am keenly aware of our State's political structure.

Please share with us what the article concludes...
 
jimbo said:
My contribution addressed the OP and the rant. Which addresses nothing.

I offered a possible explanation. So far the only one.
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Your explanation appears to be that illegal aliens are inferior at giving birth and more likely to die. Laughable.
 
Removable Mind said:
In February of this year? To restore such services can't be done overnight. The residual damage is evident.
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In December, Texas cut off Medicaid funds to some Planned Parenthood groups. Sparks presided over a three-day hearing in mid-January and issued his ruling Tuesday.
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Texas blocked from defunding Planned Parenthood - CNNPolitics.com

How did this have anything to do with a spike in deaths from 2011? Planned Parenthood was still being funded in Texas in 2011.
 
Removable Mind said:
Thanks for your attacking opinions.
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Atacking opinions? FS? After this?

Thank you Texas Legislators. This issue is completely on you! Your title should be The Texas Voters Sanctioned Death Merchants State Fascists Branch of The Lone Star State of Insanity Government.

The Texas Legislators today are so profoundly corrupt in so many ways, but what stands out the most is these so-called Legislators have given their total allegiance to the Religious Right Radicals who generously fill these amoral moron's election collection plates.

The Taliban in the Middle East don't have **** over these scumbags in Texas government.

The rate of maternal mortality in Texas spiked from 18.6 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010 to more than 30 per 100,000 in 2011 and remained over 30 per 100,000 through 2014, according to a recent study in the medical journal Obstetrics and Gynecology. That’s significantly higher than Italy (2.1 deaths per 100,000 live births), Japan (3.3) and France (5.5), and more in line with Mexico (38.9) or Turkey and Chile (15.2), according to World Health Organization statistics.
 
soylentgreen said:
Because it is a well known fact that only legal citizens of the usa are capable of giving birth without dieing.
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I didn't say that. I don't even know what that means.

Can you offer any suggestions as to why Texas has experienced a spike.

Or how we tackle the spike.
 
Moon said:
The real question is why is this happening? The article states that the reason is unknown. I'm also curious if the mortality rates use the same metrics for all the countries listed in the article. Seems pretty damning when taken at face value, but I'm not sure the article goes deep enough.
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I should check this for myself but i have been told by an american women that americans have to pay hospitals large sums of cash to give birth. Meaning if a person cannot afford it then they need go to charity hospitals which are often under equipped and under funded thus resulting in may more chances of death or complications.

Personally i find that concept horrible but then i live in a country where a universal health system means that such events are not charged directly upon the person leaving only the wealthy with good medical coverage.
 
faithful_servant said:
Then why is this in the Abortion forum??? And there are ZERO facts to back up your accusation. In fact, if you had read the article, the FACTS show that this problem started before then. So the very article that's being used as the source for this whole piece of "I wanna hate conservatives." tripe fails to back up your accusation. But my guess is that you're already emotionally committed to your conclusion and are now incapable of looking at it objectively and honestly.
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Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
Are you trying to say that this is because of the lack of abortions?? What did the article say about the causes:
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Your the one who put out this little gem of ignorance.

ETA: Services provided by planned parenthood.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-care/our-services
 
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soylentgreen said:
Your explanation appears to be that illegal aliens are inferior at giving birth and more likely to die. Laughable.
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I didn't say that. I said:

Any reports on how many of those deaths were US citizens or Others sneaking over the borders in order to have a US born baby at US taxpayer's expense?
 
Moon said:
Cuts to a non-profit for 2 months resulted in increased maternal deaths for a period 4-5 years before those cuts?
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2 Months?

Under the defunct Medicaid Women's Health Program, Texas received $9 in federal money for every $1 it spent on reproductive health care for the poorest Texas women, accounting for millions of dollars every year. State and federal law already prevented taxpayer dollars from being spent on abortion.

But when GOP state leaders took the further step of ousting Planned Parenthood clinics from the program in 2011 — an effort to punish providers that perform abortions at some of their locations — they lost the federal match and had to finance it alone.

Now, amid dropping participation in its programs, the Texas Health and Human Services Commission is preparing to submit an application to get that money back — for a state-run, Planned Parenthood-free women's health program now called Healthy Texas Women.

Texas' request of the federal government presents a potential quandary for President Donald Trump's administration: While he has signed legislation aimed at keeping tax dollars away from groups that perform abortions, federal law currently lets patients on Medicaid — the joint federal-state program for children, the disabled and the very poor — choose between "any willing provider."

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If his administration gives Texas the go-ahead, other states could follow, as could lawsuits.

Stacey Pogue, senior policy analyst for the liberal Center for Public Policy Priorities, said during a Monday public hearing on the proposal that she feared it “would invite litigation.” She said Medicaid patients have a legally bound “freedom of choice" and that abortion providers and their affiliates would probably sue to protect it.

She also said the state's history of cuts to reproductive health, and its year-over-year efforts to edge Planned Parenthood out of taxpayer-funded reproductive health care, have been shortsighted.

“We have tried for five years in order to repair the provider network that was damaged with family planning cuts and removing Planned Parenthood," Pogue said. "That damage still has not been repaired."

Jami Snyder, the health agency's associate commissioner for Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program, said at the hearing that the proposal is "an opportunity to draw down federal funding." Under the Healthy Texas Women program, low-income Texas women ages 18 to 44 are eligible for services including pregnancy testing, STD testing, breast and cervical cancer screenings, contraceptive counseling and postpartum depression screenings, as well as help with chronic diseases such as diabetes, high blood pressure and high cholesterol.

The state could use the help; since leaving the federally funded Medicaid Women's Health Program in 2012 and forcing out Planned Parenthood, tens of thousands fewer women have received care through Texas' patchwork of programs.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/05/16/womens-health-programs-saw-sharp-decline-clients/
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jimbo said:
I asked a question. I did look quickly for an answer. Didn't find one. I expect I will not as it doesn't fit the agenda. So I asked. Apparently you get pregnant, you die in childbirth, it's the Texas Legislators fault.

So far that's the best explanation. The only explanation offered.
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Now you are just contradicting yourself.
You already said.
jimbo said:
I offered a possible explanation. So far the only one.
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Now you claim you only offered a question and someone else has offered an explanation.

You do not know what you are talking about, do you.
 
jimbo said:
Atacking opinions? FS? After this?

Thank you Texas Legislators. This issue is completely on you! Your title should be The Texas Voters Sanctioned Death Merchants State Fascists Branch of The Lone Star State of Insanity Government.

The Texas Legislators today are so profoundly corrupt in so many ways, but what stands out the most is these so-called Legislators have given their total allegiance to the Religious Right Radicals who generously fill these amoral moron's election collection plates.

The Taliban in the Middle East don't have **** over these scumbags in Texas government.

The rate of maternal mortality in Texas spiked from 18.6 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2010 to more than 30 per 100,000 in 2011 and remained over 30 per 100,000 through 2014, according to a recent study in the medical journal Obstetrics and Gynecology. That’s significantly higher than Italy (2.1 deaths per 100,000 live births), Japan (3.3) and France (5.5), and more in line with Mexico (38.9) or Turkey and Chile (15.2), according to World Health Organization statistics.
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Yes, and your point is? Besides, Jimbo, didn't say several posts ago that you really don't care about this thread?
 
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