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Teen abortion in Texas increases after closing of planned parenthood.

TheGoverness said:
We were taught the implications as well. Still didn't stop me or anyone.

And I know a few people that ended up getting pregnant.
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Absolutely. If you only explain the birds and bees thing, it probably won't work well. You need to bring the kids up well. That's something else.
 
British Right said:
There exist quite a lot of poor cities and towns that believe in God too much. I believe that religion makes people too content, to the point that these single mothers in these red states seek no change because they are living the life 'God' chose. That's my opinion anyway, that can't be whole heartedly proven.
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Towns and cities don't believe in anything; the people who live in them do, and both opinions and beliefs are individual. Are you saying that you think poor people relingquish self-responsibility because they believe "too much" in God? For myself, there is no such thing as believing in God "too much."

British Right said:
Stupid and irresponsible people become poor, they teach their kids to be stupid and irresponsible thus they become poor. Having poor parents doesn't ensure your poverty. The fact it doesn't means another factor other than starting wealth contributes to a child's future wealth. Those same factors cause people to have children by accident.
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Sometimes stupid and irresponsible people become poor, but sometimes they are born into poverty (and often dysfunction too). Some people catch really unlucky breaks as well. You're right that being born poor doesn't mean that you will grow up to be poor yourself. But your last sentence is a non sequitur. Stupidity and irresponsibility and carelessness aren't limited to the poor.

British Right said:
And your last point. We are not talking about planned parenthood we are talking about accidental pregnancies and want causes them. I perceive your argument is lack of free contraception, mine is lack of proper education from the system and parents.
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I was satisfied with the sex education I received, which was appropriate for the time and place, and I was very satisfied with the sex education presented to my children, who are now young adults. (Of course, I didn't wait on a school to provide this information; I took care of my parental responsibilities myself. And was helped by living in the country; there are many opportunities to discuss sex and its consequences when you see this all the time with the animals. ;) )

I think most schools are doing a very good job. There are many reasons for accidental pregnancies, and we need to focus on why it is that poor women and women of color are so much more likely to have an unintended pregnancy because it's not as if they don't know where babies come from.

The good news is that there has been a "substantial" decline in overall pregnancies. MMS: Error

From the Guttmacher Institute:

Although unintended pregnancy rates dropped across nearly all age, income, education, and race and ethnic groups, rates were relatively high among poor women and women of color. Poor women had more than five times as many unintended pregnancies as higher-income women. And women of color were roughly twice as likely to experience an unintended pregnancy as white women. https://www.guttmacher.org/news-rel...s-30-year-low-declines-seen-almost-all-groups
 
joG said:
Absolutely. If you only explain the birds and bees thing, it probably won't work well. You need to bring the kids up well. That's something else.
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Yes I have said many times in my replies that I believe the key is good education from both the system and parents.
 
joG said:
Lesbian sex is safe in this respect. It's taking in the sperm that can cause the problem. Girls don't have them, so sex with them is fine for girls.
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Yes, getting pregnant is not a risk for us. But STD's are.
 
I have a reason why black women are in the pickle they are in however the topic is far removed from this so I won't go there as truthfully I cannot be bothered to.

As a British Male I will concede here as my work day is coming to an end, I don't live in your country and I am not even able to get pregnant so I am not hugely invested in this topic, I wanted to share my opinions and beliefs however.

You had some good points. Bye.

(In regards to my god statement. not to further challenge but you seem confused as to what I meant. I mean that when people are in seemingly unchangeable conditions they have two options. Try to change the situation anyway OR give up and say god intended it. I am not religious but let's not go into that debate =D)
 
joG said:
Lesbian sex is safe in this respect. It's taking in the sperm that can cause the problem. Girls don't have them, so sex with them is fine for girls.
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Women cannot spread STDs???

If abstinence only people are only caring about pregnancy....there is a huge problem.
 
TheGoverness said:
So what? Pregnancy isn't the only issue at hand here.
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I was referring to the teen pregnancies. And hey. You can get std without doing the same as has the risk of getting pregnant. So, you might be right, that there is more to the topic than sperm, but the thread did put that in the driver's seat.
 
year2late said:
Women cannot spread STDs???

If abstinence only people are only caring about pregnancy....there is a huge problem.
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Actually, the opener was flagged teen abortion. As much as you might think pregnancy is a STD, that is not, what was meant.
 
joG said:
Actually, the opener was flagged teen abortion. As much as you might think pregnancy is a STD, that is not, what was meant.
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Why muddy the waters with peripheral issues when examining teen pregnancies increasing after the PP closures?

PP provides proven methods that substantially reduce pregnancy (in all age groups), but the thread is about teens.

When pro-life advocates get past their cognitive rigidity and condemning religious tenets regarding human sexual behaviors - and accept that all of the draconian laws and prayer meetings aren't lowering unwanted pregnancies - and look at what we know actually has a meaningful level of success - the problem with unwanted pregnancies will significantly drop. That also equates to significantly less abortions.
 
joG said:
Actually, the opener was flagged teen abortion. As much as you might think pregnancy is a STD, that is not, what was meant.
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Is it your expectation that every thread go exactly on track and posters are not able to speak to flawed arguments when they take you down a side path?

But a poster went the "abstinence only route" and it is very important that that mode of education is flawed.
 
British Right said:
I will say this again. America is not the only group of people in the world.

Other countries are able to not provide free contraception while having a lower teen pregnancy rate. Therefor the issue is not the cost of contraception, nor how accessible.

The issue is education of the youth. You suggest a majority of teen pregnancies are caused by ineffective pills and condoms when in reality a majority of teen pregnancies are youths out enjoying themselves at a party somewhere locked in a bedroom upstairs. Too drunk to remember the condom, or too irresponsible to go to an alcohol fuelled party while not being on the pill.

Picture this, If you was an 18 year old girl with your current mind-set would you magically get pregnant? In terms of poor adults, these adults are poor by majority because they are irresponsible and uneducated. These same factors are what lead to the high birth rate in poor communities. Not a lack of contraception.

You can go down to your local and get 24 basic condoms for $10. That is just over 40c per sex session. Poor adults can afford this, the problem is their irresponsibility. In fact you could argue that giving people free contraception makes them more irresponsible.

Craving after short term solutions to a long term problem is wrong. Educational reform is required to truly fix the issue. Giving free contraception hides the problem, but while it is hidden it grows.
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Colorado provided free long term contraception and it lowered teen pregnancy by 40%.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-colorado-lowered-their-teen-pregnancy-rate-by-40/

I would rather pay for the contraception than pay for the consequences of not paying for it.
 
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