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Even though the Sun article claims Sam Hemming was brain dead the article admits part of her brain was functioning , therefore she did not meet the medical criteria for brain death.

From the Sun:



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/18811...off-life-support-machine-by-wiggling-her-toe/

From the article, it kind of looks like they were only using spontaneous breathing as their criteria. :shock:

On the other hand she is in a hospital that doesn't know their mattress is upside down.:lamo
 
That's not how the term medical condition is defined.

Whose definition are you using, Jerry Falwell's? How is a threat to a person's health and well being not a medical condition?
 
and what about at 16 weeks pregnant and the women has no medical issues she just doesnt want it?

If a woman is pregnant, she has a medical issue called "pregnancy". If she doesn't want it (the fetus), it's time to call a doctor to schedule an abortion.

Pregnancy can be unpredictably fatal and harmful to women. That is a fact. Therefore, pregnancy is a medical condition that women should have every right to terminate. There is no way to understand the facts and threat of pregnancy and come to a different conclusion. Only by injecting a lot of dogma can the fetus defenders appear to make a valid case. They've been failing miserably for forty years now.
 
Whose definition are you using, Jerry Falwell's? How is a threat to a person's health and well being not a medical condition?

It's a biological function, not an injury, disease, an illness or any other sort of abnormal condition. Yes, things can wrong during pregnancy, but again that doesn't make pregnancy itself a medical condition. Calling the function of the uterus a medical condition is insane.
 
It's a biological function, not an injury, disease, an illness or any other sort of abnormal condition. Yes, things can wrong during pregnancy, but again that doesn't make pregnancy itself a medical condition. Calling the function of the uterus a medical condition is insane.

It is a medical condition according to every doctor on the planet. Name one that does not call it a medical condition. This is ridiculous
 
It's a biological function, not an injury, disease, an illness or any other sort of abnormal condition. Yes, things can wrong during pregnancy, but again that doesn't make pregnancy itself a medical condition. Calling the function of the uterus a medical condition is insane.

:lol: actually not calling pregnancy a medical condition is what is unreasonable, Henrin.
 
If the function of the uterus is a medical condition then perhaps it should be removed at birth.
 
It is a medical condition according to every doctor on the planet. Name one that does not call it a medical condition. This is ridiculous

Doctors do not consider normal biological behavior a medical condition.
 
It's a biological function, not an injury, disease, an illness or any other sort of abnormal condition. Yes, things can wrong during pregnancy, but again that doesn't make pregnancy itself a medical condition. Calling the function of the uterus a medical condition is insane.

It is a condition which medical doctors follow.

It is not a disease, but it may cause disease......deadly disease at that.
 
Oregon has now made it MANDATORY for every insurance company to cover abortion (and birth control and vasectomies). I think this is long overdue and we need to repeal the Hyde Amendment and make this nationwide. Thoughts?

:shrug: good makes sense
no improve educated and access to education, healthcare and BC
 
It's a biological function, not an injury, disease, an illness or any other sort of abnormal condition. Yes, things can wrong during pregnancy, but again that doesn't make pregnancy itself a medical condition. Calling the function of the uterus a medical condition is insane.

The purpose of splitting such hairs is what? To deny healthcare to women? To make a medically assisted birth the privilege of the rich alone? I struggle to understand the principle upon which you're standing here.
 
Agreed. People often confuse a permenant vegetative state with brain death even though there are different criteria for each diagnosis.
ALSO KEEP IN MIND: Correctly identifying the persistent vegetative state is much more difficult than identifying either a coma or actual brain death, and less-informed folks might think the PVS is equivalent to BD. I could easily imagine someone thinking that a doctor was talking about brain death, and a patient recovering from that state, upon learning that the patient was persistently vegetative instead of actually brain dead.
 
It's a biological function, not an injury, disease, an illness or any other sort of abnormal condition. Yes, things can wrong during pregnancy, but again that doesn't make pregnancy itself a medical condition. Calling the function of the uterus a medical condition is insane.
PERHAPS YOU SHOULD STUDY HOW MAMMALIAN EVOLUTION HAPPENED. We are descended from actual egg-layers, remember? And in Nature biological systems don't always work "ideally", which therefore allows oddball things to happen, which might or might not be incorporated into a future different species than before. So, for mammalian reproduction to have BEGUN to happen, we need to first keep in mind that a number of egg-laying species have leathery-shelled eggs, and some "potential shelled egg" must have failed to form correctly, and implanted into its mothers oviduct. DO NOTE the similarity between an amniotic sac and a leathery-eggshell! If it wasn't implanted for very long (something common in marsupials), it could do some growing and detach when developed enough to minimally survive, and the attachment site could have been small enough to not be fatal when ripped out. With something like that as a starting point for surviving genes to pass down the generations, evolution modified part of the oviduct to provide a less-dangerous place for attachment and ripping --less dangerous to the mother. It had nothing to do with providing anything for the unborn mammal, despite the ignorant blatherings of abortion opponents. Keep in mind that even today, if an unborn mammal implants into a not-less-dangerous place, the "ectopic pregnancy" still suffices for the mammal to grow and develop (at least up to the point where it kills its mother). **IT** does not actually need the womb!

GOT IT? Pregnancy is at its core a fancy biological accident, about which a particular branch of the Tree of Life adapted to cope! Which fully qualifies it as a medical condition!
 
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If the function of the uterus is a medical condition then perhaps it should be removed at birth.
THE FUNCTION OF THE UTERUS IS TO SAVE THE MOTHER'S LIFE, from having her guts ripped out when the unborn mammal is finally expelled. That's all. And sometimes it still doesn't work out (fatal hemorrhaging). Pregnancy is a medical condition in which a mammalian female is trying to survive the worse-than-parasitic assaults of the unborn. PERIOD.
 
No fetus has survived when born at 20 weeks, LMP or gestational age. The earliest is 21 weeks and 5 days gestational age (23 weeks and 5 days LMP).

Actually the youngest preemies to survive were 21 weeks 5 days and 21 weeks 6 days .

Experts agree that it is highly unlikely a preemie under 21 weeks gestation will ever survive.

I understand that fact, doctors still say often refer to 20/21 weeks as the earliest possible viability there could ever be. No need to squabble over such.
 
Elective in insurance speak, is anything not medically necessary. Look up the law yourself if you don't believe me. Or keep your head in the sand and remain ignorant. No skin off my back. Have a nice day.

My insurance company "tried to refuse payment for my heart surgery" calling it an elective surgery. My cardiologist wrote a certified letter, overnight delivery letter stating that I didn't elect to have a hole in my heart that caused me to have a stoke and go blind, which, thank goodness was temporary, but I still have a slight visual side effect.

They finally paid, but not without putting me through a nightmare.

Insurance companies will do and say anything in order to not pay a medical claim no matter how serious.
 
Doctors do not consider normal biological behavior a medical condition.

You mean like allergies? They are not a medical condition?

I guess I should just let my kid eat peanuts while banging on a beehive then...
 
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