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Oregon mandates abortion coverage

vegas giants said:
It is unfair to exclude women from having insurance pay for this procedure. It should be mandatory of ANY elective procedures are covered.
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No. Elective procedures should not be covered for anyone. Frankly, if you want to cover elective procedures there is far better cases out there to make it towards than vasectomies and abortion.
 
Anyone who promotes "states' rights" should be okay with Oregon doing what it wants, and should be against the courts interfering.
 
Henrin said:
No. Elective procedures should not be covered for anyone. Frankly, if you want to cover elective procedures there is far better cases out there to make it towards than vasectomies and abortion.
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Here are some elective procedures

knee surgeries
feet surgeries
most back surgeries
hernia
cataract
most dental procedures

If you cover those and do not cover abortions then you are engaging in discrimination
 
Henrin said:
Yeeeeaaaah. I'm just going to pretend you didn't just write that.
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Remember....you said definitions are very important. What I said is FACTUALLY correct. LOL
 
vegas giants said:
Here are some elective procedures

knee surgeries
feet surgeries
most back surgeries
hernia
cataract
most dental procedures

If you cober those and do not cover abortions then you are engaging in discrimination
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So you're just basically saying that if anything is covered and not abortion that it's discrimination. Yeah, at this point I'm pretty sure you don't know how that word is used.
 
Henrin said:
So you're just basically saying that if anything is covered and not abortion that it's discrimination. Yeah, at this point I'm pretty sure you don't know how that word is used.
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Thank you for your opinion
 
vegas giants said:
Remember....you said definitions are very important. What I said is FACTUALLY correct. LOL
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How many women do you think use abortion as a form of birth control?
 
Henrin said:
How many women do you think use abortion as a form of birth control?
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Every single one. You do know that abortion prevents the birth of a child.....don't you?
 
vegas giants said:
Every single one. You do know that abortion prevents the birth of a child.....don't you?
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Yes. How many women state that they are aborting simply to avoid the birth from happening? Most women have some other reason like financial concerns, life plans, family planning, etc and not just "birth control".
 
Henrin said:
Yes. How many women state that they are aborting simply to avoid the birth from happening? Most women have some other reason like financial concerns, life plans, family planning, etc and not just "birth control".
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Most women do not state anything when they are getting an abortion. No reason is required for an abortion prior to viability in any state in the union.
 
D_NATURED said:
Why should the childless pay for education of other's children? Why should the intelligent pay to care for retards?
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You're asking a libertarian these questions, you know.

Short answer: Because EVERYONE benefits from a more caring society.
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:roll: Considering that abortion rarely has to do with caring there is barely any merit to your argument.

Just a reminder to anyone who cares to really think and not just post fetus-phile nonsense. Abortion is a women's issue, not a fetus issue. That it gets phrased as a fetus-centric question is just evidence of how motivated some people are to control women.
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It's both. Also, I'm not pro-life and I don't want to ban abortion. I don't however think men like myself should have to pay for any abortion ever.
 
vegas giants said:
Most women do not state anything when they are getting an abortion. No reason is required for an abortion prior to viability in any state in the union.
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Yeah, and? Are you suggesting these women are excluded from studies into the reasons for abortions?
 
Henrin said:
Yeah, and? Are you suggesting these women are excluded from studies into the reasons for abortions?
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I am not suggesting anything of the kind. I am saying the reason is irrelevant. The only reason needed is, "I want one."
 
vegas giants said:
I am not suggesting anything of the kind. I am saying the reason is irrelevant. The only reason needed is, "I want one."
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So why is my reason of "I'm not paying for it" not good enough?
 
Henrin said:
I think can safely say while hauling around a penis that most women that have abortions didn't decide to have it because they were concerned about dying.
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That is amazingly odd.

And narrow.

I had several life threatening issues with my pregnancy. Hell yeah I was concerned about dying. Hell yeah I was concerned about getting pregnant again because I was afraid of dying.

Pregnancy can affect your health seriously.

Pregnancy can affect your ability to support yourself and stay in a safe environment.

Yeah they are concerned about safety, health, dying, and continuing to support their born children.
 
By some chance would the San Andreas faultline run through Portland?
 
Henrin said:
That's not an argument unless you're a dictator.
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I believe in democracy. If abortion is outlawed in a democracy I will work to overturn it but I accept that it will be law until I do. Currently abortion is legal and in oregon insurance coverage for it is mandatory. And no reason is required if you want one. Those are the facts.
 
vegas giants said:
Oregon has now made it MANDATORY for every insurance company to cover abortion (and birth control and vasectomies). I think this is long overdue and we need to repeal the Hyde Amendment and make this nationwide. Thoughts?
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Good for Oregon but no way in hell that should be a federal decision.

....and keep it out of AZ.
 
vegas giants said:
I believe in democracy. If abortion is outlawed in a democracy I will work to overturn it but I accept that it will be law until I do. Currently abortion is legal and in oregon insurance coverage for it is mandatory. And no reason is required if you want one. Those are the facts.
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So believe in majority rule then?
 
year2late said:
That is amazingly odd.

And narrow.

I had several life threatening issues with my pregnancy. Hell yeah I was concerned about dying. Hell yeah I was concerned about getting pregnant again because I was afraid of dying.

Pregnancy can affect your health seriously.

Pregnancy can affect your ability to support yourself and stay in a safe environment.

Yeah they are concerned about safety, health, dying, and continuing to support their born children.
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And most women that have abortions aren't concerned about those things.
 
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