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Bad arguments your side makes

calamity said:
Mine is denying or minimizing the fact that abortion kills homo sapiens, members of the human race. I do not agree with the logic that the fetus is not a human being, although I understand the legal reasons for why it is defined as a non-person, and hence not legally a human being.

I prefer the argument be that they are human beings of lesser legal status and fewer rights then the born human host, the pregnant mother. But, for some reason, the law went off on a technicality and declared something that is clearly a human to be not a human being. It makes no sense.
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Oh, so do I...it's so they can commit murder without paying the consequences...
 
Elvira said:
That is a great point...what about the rights of the unborn? Who will protect them? I guess they don't have any...
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They do have rights under certain circumstances, especially if the mother is carrying the fetus to term or beyond a certain cut-off date. What the fetus does not have is rights that supersede those of the mother who wishes to terminate within the allotted time frame.
 
calamity said:
They do have rights under certain circumstances, especially if the mother is carrying the fetus to term or beyond a certain cut-off date. What the fetus does not have is rights that supersede those of the mother who wishes to terminate within the allotted time frame.
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How convenient...
 
Elvira said:
Oh, so do I...it's so they can commit murder without paying the consequences...
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It's not "murder." But thanks for showing me why I should dig my heels in and argue that they are not human beings even if I do not agree with their terminology.
 
Elvira said:
How convenient...
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Sometimes it is. Sometimes is a medical necessity. Either way. Who cares? It's just a fetus. Kill that sucker and fry it up, serving it with some lima beans and a little Tabasco.
 
calamity said:
It's not "murder." But thanks for showing me why I should dig my heels in and argue that they are not human beings even if I do not agree with their terminology.
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Oh I know...some women...and men think of them as only a parasite...not human at all...dig all you want...:spin:
 
year2late said:
One has to do with health care decisions ..... the other has to do with supporting a child .

I understand the intense frustration, though. But as a taxpayer, I do not want to support a child until both parents are tapped first.
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What? A large percentage of abortions are not done for healthcare concerns, but because the woman doesn't want the kid. I'm sorry but the argument that all abortions are healthcare decisions is factually false. Every time a woman is pregnant she is caring for her young and almost every time she has an abortion she is getting out of that either by intent or by extension. I do however find it fun that you're just conveniently forgetting about your side saying things like "a woman has a right to decide if she wants to be a mother".
 
calamity said:
It's just a fetus. Kill that sucker and fry it up, serving it with some lima beans and a little Tabasco.
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Absolutely disgusting.

Thank you for demonstrating the moral character of you and your peers so well.
 
calamity said:
Sometimes it is. Sometimes is a medical necessity. Either way. Who cares? It's just a fetus. Kill that sucker and fry it up, serving it with some lima beans and a little Tabasco.
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Everyone from your side should pick your argument for something they don't like from their side. Comments like yours do nothing but hurt your side.
 
JayDubya said:
Absolutely disgusting.

Thank you for demonstrating the moral character of you and your peers so well.
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It is just a fetus. I know you picture a toddler on a trike, but a fetus is nothing like that for a very long time.
 
Elvira said:
Oh I know...some women...and men think of them as only a parasite...not human at all...dig all you want...:spin:
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If someone is pregnant who does not want to be, I can see where they would consider it a parasite.
 
calamity said:
If someone is pregnant who does not want to be, I can see where they would consider it a parasite.
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So when a woman that is pregant doesn't want her kid she has a chance to forget facts like an individual of the human species is never a parasite? What?
 
calamity said:
It is just a fetus. I know you picture a toddler on a trike, but a fetus is nothing like that for a very long time.
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Really? Is that the best you got?
 
calamity said:
It is just a fetus. I know you picture a toddler on a trike, but a fetus is nothing like that for a very long time.
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It's funny, one could almost just assume you were trying to provide terrible, unforgivable statements to give an example of how to make pro-aborts on your side look bad.

A meta-example for the thread, as it were.
 
JayDubya said:
It's funny, one could almost just assume you were trying to provide terrible, unforgivable statements to give an example of how to make pro-aborts on your side look bad.

A meta-example for the thread, as it were.
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I don't care what you forgive or don't forgive, Jay. You've repeatedly shown us the true motives behind this pro-life farce you present here. And, it has nothing to do with saving lives.
 
calamity said:
I don't care what you forgive or don't forgive, Jay. You've repeatedly shown us the true motives behind this pro-life farce you present here. And, it has nothing to do with saving lives.
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Yes, yes, if you don't support government welfare then you can't support life. :roll:
 
minnie616 said:
I cringe when a prochoicer incorrectly calls an unborn a parasite.
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Good for you. I don't think I've ever seen you correct someone on that.
 
Removable Mind said:
Contemplating Abortion is one of the most private decision making processes and action that a woman can experience. Such an event is usually confined between a woman and her medical provider. It's not a circumstance that's privy to the public.

Women who object to other women's right to choose the outcome of one of the most private of circumstances, which requires those other women to make serious consideration about whether to choose to continue or terminate pregnancy. Those who object may themselves may be faced with the same dilemma to privately decide for themselves between those same two choices - and they too will do so without public knowledge, influence, or input.

Pro-life advocates don't really debate as much as they condemn - and do so with very few exceptions. They only need to stop the condemnation of others and when necessary personally decide for themselves if they want the mac and cheese - or not. And they too will make their choices about a specific outcome without public knowledge, influence, or input.

When the comment is made, "Just don't have an abortion if you don't believe them to be moral (or something similar).", despite you considering such a comment to be "silly" there is an underlying message. Its a reminder that their right to make a choice, which leads to the outcome that they believe is best for themselves, is no more or less important for themselves - than the rights of other women who choose differently. Ultimately they would better serve themselves to focus on their own values and choices because they are powerless over others who simply won't placate to those who have opposing beliefs.
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You didn't answer my question, though. Don't some people on your side say some stupid things? Why wouldn't you call them out?
 
year2late said:
One has to do with health care decisions ..... the other has to do with supporting a child .
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Abortion has little to do with healthcare decisions, because most abortions do not happen due to health reasons.

year2late said:
But as a taxpayer, I do not want to support a child until both parents are tapped first.
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I get that, and I agree to an extent, but I think allowing women to opt out of having a child after it's already been conceived and not allowing men to do the same is too large an injustice to allow to stand for tax reasons.
 
molten_dragon said:
Abortion has little to do with healthcare decisions, because most abortions do not happen due to health reasons.



I get that, and I agree to an extent, but I think allowing women to opt out of having a child after it's already been conceived and not allowing men to do the same is too large an injustice to allow to stand for tax reasons.
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Actually , when filling out a questionnaire 13 percent of women seeking an abortion say they are concerned about fetal health and 12 percent say they are concerned about maternal heath.
 
minnie616 said:
Actually , when filling out a questionnaire 13 percent of women seeking an abortion say they are concerned about fetal health and 12 percent say they are concerned about maternal heath.
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That would be a whole 25%, which last time I checked isn't high enough to combat his point. Also, being concerned about health issues and those health issues actually existing are entirely different things.
 
minnie616 said:
Actually , when filling out a questionnaire 13 percent of women seeking an abortion say they are concerned about fetal health and 12 percent say they are concerned about maternal heath.
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What about the other 75%? That is a lotta babies, ya know...
 
molten_dragon said:
Abortion has little to do with healthcare decisions, because most abortions do not happen due to health reasons.
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But life threatening complications aren't rare up to 8 percent of all pregnancies are affected by pre- eclampsia or one of it's variants including HELLP syndrome.

We never know when a pregnancy might take a turn and become life threatening to someone we love.

Another 1 to 2.5 percent of pregnancies are ectopic pregnancies which are also life threatening.

So about 1 out 10 pregnancies can be life threatening just from 2 of the many types of life threatening complications.... eclampsia variants and ectopic pregnancies.

My daughter had HELLP syndrome with her pregnancy and she was very close to death when they performed the emergency
C section.

She went to the ER a few weeks before her due date because she was getting a horrible pain in her back just below her ribs which was caused because her liver was being damaged from the HELLP syndrome.
Usually there is pain the upper right part of the abdomen but her pain was in the back because her liver was swelling and shutting down.
They were worried her liver might fail.


Her OB/GYN was shocked when her test results came back showing she had HELLP syndrome. She had just seen him a couple days before and everything with the pregnancy appeared fine then.

My daughter was one the up to 8 percent of women in the US who every year developes 'preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome." Thankfully she was not one of the roughly 300 US women who do die from the syndrome every year but she was one of the roughly 75,000 women every year who are counted as near misses.

From the following article:

Every year in the U.S., up to 8 percent, or 300,000, of pregnant or postpartum women develop preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome.

Roughly 300 women die, and another 75,000 women experience “near misses”—severe complications and injury such as organ failure, massive blood loss, permanent disability, and premature birth or death of their babies.

Usually, the disease resolves with the birth of the baby and placenta. But, it can occur postpartum—indeed, most maternal deaths occur after delivery.
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Beyond Downton Abbey: Preeclampsia Maternal Deaths Continue Today

A little more about HELLP Syndrome:
HELLP syndrome is a life-threatening pregnancy complication usually considered to be a variant of preeclampsia. Both conditions usually occur during the later stages of pregnancy, or sometimes after childbirth.

HELLP syndrome was named by Dr. Louis Weinstein in 1982 after its characteristics:

H (hemolysis, which is the breaking down of red blood cells)
EL (elevated liver enzymes)
LP (low platelet count)

HELLP syndrome can be difficult to diagnose, especially when high blood pressure and protein in the urine aren't present. Its symptoms are sometimes mistaken for gastritis, flu, acute hepatitis, gall bladder disease, or other conditions.

The global mortality rate of HELLP syndrome has been reported to be as high as 25%.
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https://www.preeclampsia.org/health-information/hellp-syndrome
 
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You are talking about very little percentages which results in a poor argument...
 
Elvira said:
You are talking about very little percentages which results in a poor argument...
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But yet, antichoicers make a huge issue out of the less than 1% of abortions done after viability......
 
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