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Abortion Down Thanks to ACA

calamity said:
So, how much do you want to bet the anti-abortion folks either ignore this data or find every which way from here to Sunday to explain it away?

Abortion rate declines to historic low, with Obamacare a likely contributor, study says - LA Times


Of course, if those people were really in favor of limiting abortions, they would be some of the staunchest supporters of ACA?


Fat chance of that. Right?

We all know it's not really about limiting the number of abortions. It's really about controlling women. Let's see how many of the abortion foes willingly admit that.
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It is also about HOW women are controlled, and this will just not do, this ACA approach. Women are to be cowed, subjugated and dominated. Just not to Sharia levels 'cause we still need to be able to bitch about the women of Islam while we sell arms to the Wahabists.
 
year2late said:
I want there to be universal health care, Sometimes it covers things I do not think it should either.
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That's actually a great reason to not have the system, imho.
 
year2late said:
I want there to be universal health care, Sometimes it covers things I do not think it should either.

And bcp is not "anti baby". That is twisted. It is anti pregnancy, I would prefer a woman have a baby when she is physically, socially, and environmentally in the best position to maintain a healthy pregnancy and have a healthy baby that can be cared for in safe and healthy circumstances.
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that is like saying that you want everyone to be rich or the Constitution to give the same protection but be different all the same.
 
Henrin said:
That's actually a great reason to not have the system, imho.
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It is a great reason to stay out of other people's medical decisions.
 
Henrin said:
That's actually a great reason to not have the system, imho.
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Especially when the coverage is against the Constitution.
 
year2late said:
It is a great reason to stay out of other people's medical decisions.
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That's a bit hard when the government is forcing me to pay for them. When I'm paying the bills I'm involved.
 
Henrin said:
That's a bit hard when the government is forcing me to pay for them. When I'm paying the bills I'm involved.
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Hey, they are forcing me to pay for wars I thought we should stay the hell out of.

Go figure....your taxes sometimes goes to things we vehemently disagree with .
 
Captain Adverse said:
...and this somehow make a difference? If you can't afford a condom, you certainly can't afford a baby. :shrug:
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The typical use fail rateof condoms is 18 percent. Which means out of 100 fertile sexually active couples, 18 of the women will become pregnant within a years time.

From CDC:

Male condom—Worn by the man, a male condom keeps sperm from getting into a woman's body. Latex condoms, the most common type, help prevent pregnancy, and HIV and other STDs, as do the newer synthetic condoms. ... Typical use failure rate: 18%.Feb 9, 2017

With the ACA women are able choose a more reliable perscription type of birth control.
 
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calamity said:
So, how much do you want to bet the anti-abortion folks either ignore this data or find every which way from here to Sunday to explain it away?

Abortion rate declines to historic low, with Obamacare a likely contributor, study says - LA Times


Of course, if those people were really in favor of limiting abortions, they would be some of the staunchest supporters of ACA?


Fat chance of that. Right?

We all know it's not really about limiting the number of abortions. It's really about controlling women. Let's see how many of the abortion foes willingly admit that.
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It is a good thing that abortion rates are declining. I don't see how the ACA has anything to do with it, however. Personally I have no interest in controlling women. I consider a fetus just as human as you and I. My problem with abortion is that I consider it to be homicide.
 
fmw said:
It is a good thing that abortion rates are declining. I don't see how the ACA has anything to do with it, however. Personally I have no interest in controlling women. I consider a fetus just as human as you and I. My problem with abortion is that I consider it to be homicide.
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A lot of people do. I do too, at a certain point, especially if the fetus is healthy, viable, perfectly normal and ready to join us in the real world. I do not consider a 6-day old zygote or a 6-week old embryo to be in that category however.
 
calamity said:
A lot of people do. I do too, at a certain point, especially if the fetus is healthy, viable, perfectly normal and ready to join us in the real world. I do not consider a 6-day old zygote or a 6-week old embryo to be in that category however.
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That is where we disagree. I don't think that people start as subhuman tissue and then become human in the womb. I think humanity is built in to the DNA.
 
fmw said:
That is where we disagree. I don't think that people start as subhuman tissue and then become human in the womb. I think humanity is built in to the DNA.
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They're human, but they do not have rights which supersede those of the mother.
 
Captain Adverse said:
...and this somehow make a difference? If you can't afford a condom, you certainly can't afford a baby. :shrug:
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You're making way too much sense for the government owes us everything crowd.
 
calamity said:
You do know that ACA makes BC affordable and, therefore, readily accessible. Right?
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ACA doesn't make birth control any more or less affordable. It just shifts the burden of payment from the user to the rest of us.

Or to put it another way:

The screwing we all get for the screwing we didn't get.
 
jimbo said:
ACA doesn't make birth control any more or less affordable. It just shifts the burden of payment from the user to the rest of us.

Or to put it another way:

The screwing we all get for the screwing we didn't get.
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You rather pay for babies born to people who cannot even afford birth control? Yeah, that makes sense :roll:
 
Henrin said:
I always thought it was bit insane that society demands men wear a bag over their dick when they have sex.
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Society doesn't demand that. Far from it.
 
calamity said:
You rather pay for babies born to people who cannot even afford birth control? Yeah, that makes sense :roll:
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No I wouldn't. I'd rather you pay for your recreation, and its results.
 
jimbo said:
No I wouldn't. I'd rather you pay for your recreation, and its results.
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You know that what that really means is a child living in poverty or neglect. Right?
 
year2late said:
Hey, they are forcing me to pay for wars I thought we should stay the hell out of.

Go figure....your taxes sometimes goes to things we vehemently disagree with .
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That logic has always been terrible. The fact that people are paying for things they don't want to pay for is an argument to not make that problem worse, not to expand on that problem with more programs.
 
calamity said:
They're human, but they do not have rights which supersede those of the mother.
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Please note that a right can only exist when someone can do something without cost anyone else anything. Abortion is not a right. It is a legalized privilege. If you agree that a fetus is human then it is illogical to consider killing it as anything other than homicide. Perhaps we agree after all.
 
calamity said:
You know that what that really means is a child living in poverty or neglect. Right?
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Why do liberals always use welfare costs as a tool to push more welfare ideas down peoples throats?
 
jimbo said:
ACA doesn't make birth control any more or less affordable. It just shifts the burden of payment from the user to the rest of us.

Or to put it another way:

The screwing we all get for the screwing we didn't get.
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Actually it is a fallacy that taxpayers are paying for birth control. The insurance company pays for it which is much cheaper than what the insurance company has to pay in pregnancy and childbirth costs if there is an unplanned pregnancy.

It can also prevent unplanned welfare babies which saves the US taxpayers money.
 
minnie616 said:
Actually it is a fallacy that taxpayers are paying for birth control. The insurance company pays for it which is much cheaper than what the insurance company has to pay in pregnancy and childbirth costs if there is an unplanned pregnancy.

It can also prevent unplanned welfare babies which saves the US taxpayers money.
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Ummm...people pay for insurance, you know.
 
minnie616 said:
Actually it is a fallacy that taxpayers are paying for birth control. The insurance company pays for it which is much cheaper than what the insurance company has to pay in pregnancy and childbirth costs if there is an unplanned pregnancy.

It can also prevent unplanned welfare babies which saves the US taxpayers money.
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Then that should be up to the contractual agreement between the insurance company and its customers. As it stands now the government dictates what that contract must contain. There is no reason why government should get in the middle of contracts between two individuals.

You're statement would be correct if the government was not in the business of subsidizing insurance payments. It is. And the taxpayers foot the bill.
 
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