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Planned Parenthood’s Long-Delayed Annual Report Is Here

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And, to quote this National Review article's subtitle, "It was pushed back for six months but is still brimming with false claims."

One of those claims is that the Center for Medical Progess videos were "heavily edited":

Both of the independent forensic studies commissioned to assess the videos found that nothing of consequence was altered in the full videos that CMP had released. The first study, commissioned by Planned Parenthood and performed by Democratic research firm Fusion GPS, states that the audio was not tampered with and that “analysis did not reveal widespread evidence of substantive video manipulation.” (The Fusion study was described in more detail by National Review here.)

The second study was performed by Coalfire Systems, Inc., which conducts forensic analysis for Fortune 500 companies. Unlike Fusion, Coalfire examined the full-source raw footage — which is even more comprehensive than the full interview videos posted online, including bathroom breaks and other filler time. It found that all edits were “non-pertinent” and consisted of “commuting, waiting, adjusting recording equipment, meals, and restroom breaks.” This conclusion was supported by time-stamped screenshots and a detailed report.

Planned Parenthood?s Dishonest Annual Report | National Review

Another claim which appears to be debunked is about all those marvelous non-abortion services PP claims to offer. According to the linked article, PP provides less than one percent of the nation's Pap smears and less than two percent of its breast exams and cancer screenings.
 
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nota bene said:
Another claim which appears to be debunked is about all those marvelous non-abortion services PP claims to offer. According to the linked article, PP provides less than one percent of the nation's Pap smears and less than two percent of its breast exams and cancer screenings.
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What kind of percentage of the paps and breast exams did you think PP provided. You are talking national numbers!!
 
nota bene said:
And, to quote this National Review article
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ARTICLES FROM THAT SOURCE ARE ROUTINELY BIASED. I'd rather get my fake news from The Onion.

nota bene said:
Another claim which appears to be debunked is about all those marvelous non-abortion services PP claims to offer.
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PERHAPS YOU ARE AWARE THAT THOSE SERVICES CAN ONLY BE OFFERED IN PLACES WHERE P.P. CLINICS EXIST? That means you should compare those services only to the similar services offered by others in the same localities as where P.P. clinics exist.
 
nota bene said:
And, to quote this National Review article's subtitle, "It was pushed back for six months but is still brimming with false claims."

One of those claims is that the Center for Medical Progess videos were "heavily edited":

Both of the independent forensic studies commissioned to assess the videos found that nothing of consequence was altered in the full videos that CMP had released. The first study, commissioned by Planned Parenthood and performed by Democratic research firm Fusion GPS, states that the audio was not tampered with and that “analysis did not reveal widespread evidence of substantive video manipulation.” (The Fusion study was described in more detail by National Review here.)

The second study was performed by Coalfire Systems, Inc., which conducts forensic analysis for Fortune 500 companies. Unlike Fusion, Coalfire examined the full-source raw footage — which is even more comprehensive than the full interview videos posted online, including bathroom breaks and other filler time. It found that all edits were “non-pertinent” and consisted of “commuting, waiting, adjusting recording equipment, meals, and restroom breaks.” This conclusion was supported by time-stamped screenshots and a detailed report.

Planned Parenthood?s Dishonest Annual Report | National Review

Another claim which appears to be debunked is about all those marvelous non-abortion services PP claims to offer. According to the linked article, PP provides less than one percent of the nation's Pap smears and less than two percent of its breast exams and cancer screenings.
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I am not at all surprised that an anti-abortion advocate would deliberately conflate the term "heavily edited" with the terms "audio was not tampered with" and "substantive video manipulation", even ones who make a living in a job that requires expertise in the English language

And then there is the lies about the CoalFire report which did not even look at the videos that were published on YouTube.

The lack of surprise is due to the long and repeated experience with the anti-abortion rights habit of constantly lying.
 
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sangha said:
I am not at all surprised that an anti-abortion advocate would deliberately conflate the term "heavily edited" with the terms "audio was not tampered with" and "substantive video manipulation", even ones who make a living in a job that requires expertise in the English language

And then there is the lies about the CoalFire report which did not even look at the videos that were published on YouTube.

The lack of surprise is due to the long and repeated experience with the anti-abortion rights habit of constantly lying.
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You know I respect the fact that some believe that a zygote,embryo, or fetus is "equal" to a born person. People are entitled to their own beliefs.

But I have NO respect for the same individuals that deliberately lie and manipulate others into believing what they know not to be true or accurate. Frankly, when they do this, it just devalues their beliefs. If they have to lie and manipulate in order to gain acceptance, they clearly have little respect for their own point of view.
 
year2late said:
You know I respect the fact that some believe that a zygote,embryo, or fetus is "equal" to a born person. People are entitled to their own beliefs.

But I have NO respect for the same individuals that deliberately lie and manipulate others into believing what they know not to be true or accurate. Frankly, when they do this, it just devalues their beliefs. If they have to lie and manipulate in order to gain acceptance, they clearly have little respect for their own point of view.
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I hear ya....

"Individuals" who value zygotes, embryo, and fetuses as one might a born child - is not the same any of those stages actually being equal physically, mentally, scientifically, or legally equal. It's truly way more in line with a personal/moral issue than a social, political, or religious issue.
 
Everyone knows Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill which uses women's healthcare as a Trojan horse.
Everyone knows Planned Parenthood is dishonest; this has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt.
Everyone knows killing the unborn is immoral.

The problem, as our good friends above have shown us, is that not everyone cares.

And I find that very sad.
 
trumpgirl said:
Everyone knows Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill which uses women's healthcare as a Trojan horse. I do not think they have Trojans, orobably a generic brand.
Everyone knows Planned Parenthood is dishonest; this has been proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Stop lying. Your belief does not make it true.
Everyone knows killing the unborn is immoral. Stop lying.

The problem, as our good friends above have shown us, is that not everyone cares.

And I find that very sad.
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Red bolding mine.

Please separate your beliefs from verifiable truth.

Stop lying.
 
year2late said:
Red bolding mine.

Please separate your beliefs from verifiable truth.

Stop lying.
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I mean that's true, there are people who don't know those facts. Plenty of ignorance of fact to go around in the population in general, and the pro-abort community is exceptionally notable in this regard.

But many of you in your peer group.... well, you approve of their dishonesty because they kill the kids you want dead, and your morals are so ****ed up beyond all recognition that you don't see killing innocent human beings as wrong. Cheers.
 
JayDubya said:
I mean that's true, there are people who don't know those facts. Plenty of ignorance of fact to go around in the population in general, and the pro-abort community is exceptionally notable in this regard.

But many of you in your peer group.... well, you approve of their dishonesty because they kill the kids you want dead, and your morals are so ****ed up beyond all recognition that you don't see killing innocent human beings as wrong. Cheers.
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Our morals are f'd up? :lamo

And yes, there are people who are known for being devoid of fact, reality or respect for women's right, luckily that group is not people who are pro-choice.

We have facts, reality and the law on our side.

Also, no kids are being "killed" and our morals are fine, we at least do not condemn raped women/women who do not want to be pregnant to remain pregnant against their will/wishes.
 
Peter King said:
Our morals are f'd up? :lamo
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Absolutely.

And yes, there are people who are known for being devoid of fact, reality
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Demonstrably, there's rather a lot of them in the pro-abort community. Case in point.

We have facts, reality and the law on our side.
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Case in point. Utter delusion.

Also, no kids are being "killed"
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Case in point. Utter delusion.

we at least do not condemn raped women/women who do not want to be pregnant to remain pregnant against their will/wishes.
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No, you don't condemn those who, in response to being wronged by one human, needlessly lash out and kill another human who did nothing wrong.

The fact that you don't condemn this is noted, but it's also why I say your morals are hopelessly FUBAR.
 
I'm less interested in getting into the tired, circular abortion debate in this thread than trying to ascertain whether or not PP is deceiving the government and the public. I have defended them for years with the arguments that this article claims it can debunk, and that concerns me. If their mainstay really is abortion and not other health services then they need to come clean about that so that people can make informed decisions about attending their clinic or not.

The whole government debacle about defunding them has been pretty pathetic. It's possible to earmark funds for certain services... i.e. defund the abortion aspect and fund the family planning / OBGYN aspect. But if PP is cooking the books then it may be difficult to trust that they would use the funds as intended.

In other words... what a **** show. There is clearly no objective fact-finding on either side. Everyone is being a hyperpartisan about it.
 
JayDubya said:
Absolutely.
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Indeed absolutely, in the fact that you absolutely wrong on the morality of pro-choice. As usual I am going to add.

JayDubya said:
Demonstrably, there's rather a lot of them in the pro-abort community. Case in point.
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Wrong again, the biggest nonsense I have ever read comes from some of the pro-life camp. Your comments often come into the area of being totally devoid of facts.

JayDubya said:
Case in point. Utter delusion.
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Sure, so abortion is not legal? And you just proved my point yet again, we have fact, reality and the law on our side and you have denial or reality and total untruths on your side.

JayDubya said:
Case in point. Utter delusion.
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:lamo

JayDubya said:
No, you don't condemn those who, in response to being wronged by one human, needlessly lash out and kill another human who did nothing wrong.

The fact that you don't condemn this is noted, but it's also why I say your morals are hopelessly FUBAR.
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1. no other humans are being killed, zef's are being aborted (2 very different things)

2. I condemn people who are haters of women's rights

3. I respect women and their rights, and that is a very morally proper position

4. yeah, you calling people fubar :lamo:lamo hilarious
 
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