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Is Abortion a Moral Right?

FutureIncoming said:
IT IS TRUTH. It also doesn't matter. If you don't fully understand what "human life" is, then read this.
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If you can get past your passion for the subject you will understand that it is opinion, not truth. It does matter to many people. No need to read an opinion of what life is that supports for position. I got it already.


I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING. A lot of anti-abortion arguments are fundamentally based on Stupid Prejudice about the word "human", and that Stupid Prejudice needs to be exposed as widely as possible, to shame the abortion opponents who spout those totally worthless arguments.
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Referring to opposing positions as stupid is not an effective way to gain support for yours.


UTTERLY FALSE, SINCE ABORTION IS LEGAL. Plus manicures/pedicures are even more widely legal, and routinely kill human life. Plus, the killing of 100% human hydatidiform moles (which originate in conception events just like ordinary human fetuses) is not only legal everywhere, it is expected to be done.
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You insult my intelligence, also a poor way to gain support.


FALSE. See above. What is illegal is the killing of a human **being**, a human person. But not every entity that is human qualifies as a "being". While JayDubya in particular is fond of calling unborn humans "human beings", every time I ask him (or any other abortion opponent) to prove that an unborn human qualifies as a "being", a person, such that it might deserve the label "human being", the abortion opponent always fails to do that simple thing. Therefore they are simply LYING, when they call unborn human NON-beings "human beings".
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More opinion that you want to call universal truth.


FALSE. Parasites have at least one specific characteristic that distinguishes them from other types of mere-animal entities. They are always a different species than their victims. However, that aspect of the definition of the word cannot prevent some entity from ACTING like a parasite acts --a thing unborn humans do quite horribly, even worse than ordinary parasites (ordinary parasites don't infuse addictive and mind-altering substances into the bodies of their victims).
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You are insulting my intelligence again.


FALSE, as explained in detail in both this message and my prior message to you.
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Best of luck to you.
 
fmw said:
If you can get past your passion for the subject you will understand that it is opinion, not truth.
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FACTS ARE FACTS. If you want to claim something I wrote was opinion instead of fact, you need to be specific.

fmw said:
It does matter to many people.
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SUBJECTIVELY. The Universe, however, Objectively doesn't care if the sun shoots a superflare at the Earth and fries the planet, and all the humans on it. "Subjectively" equals Opinion, not Fact. So, why is the opinion of those who claim "human life matters" superior to the opinions of women who want abortions?

fmw said:
No need to read an opinion of what life is that supports for position. I got it already.
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LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU DIDN'T GET IT. "Human life" includes living human cuticle cells, which are routinely killed by the hundred during manicures and pedicures, things that quite a few abortion opponents don't mind receiving. If you didn't actually read that document about human life, then you don't actually know or understand why it is sheer idiocy to claim "human life matters"!

fmw said:
Referring to opposing positions as stupid is not an effective way to gain support for yours.
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FACTS ARE FACTS. There is no such thing as "intelligent prejudice"; all Prejudice is Stupid. And it gets expressed whenever someone claims that human life matters!

fmw said:
You insult my intelligence, also a poor way to gain support.
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I WASN'T THE ONE WHO LIED, CLAIMING "killing a human is illegal". Abortion is quite legal and the process does kill humans. However, no **person** is targeted for killing by abortion, and that makes all the difference. It is the killing of a person that is illegal, not the killing of a human, like "pulling the plug" from a brain-dead adult human on full life-support (it is legal to kill the human because the person is already dead!).

fmw said:
More opinion that you want to call universal truth.
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FACTS ARE FACTS. What Facts can you present to show that an unborn human qualifies as a "being", a person? Remember Rule 5 of Debate: If you make the positive claim/assertion that an unborn human qualifies as a person, you need to support the claim with evidence. I can say it is not a person because no one has ever been able to present any such evidence! PLUS, we have other evidence supporting my claim. Remember that some scientists think that dolphins can qualify as persons, but unborn humans cannot pass even one of the many personhood tests that dolphins have been able to pass.

fmw said:
You are insulting my intelligence again.
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IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE INSULTED BY FACTS, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. The definition of a parasite is not fulfilled by an unborn human. But certain actions of a parasite are matched by an unborn human (plus the unborn human does other horrible things that no parasite does, as I previously described).

fmw said:
Best of luck to you.
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THE FACTS ARE ON MY SIDE. No luck will be needed.
 
FutureIncoming said:
FACTS ARE FACTS. If you want to claim something I wrote was opinion instead of fact, you need to be specific.


SUBJECTIVELY. The Universe, however, Objectively doesn't care if the sun shoots a superflare at the Earth and fries the planet, and all the humans on it. "Subjectively" equals Opinion, not Fact. So, why is the opinion of those who claim "human life matters" superior to the opinions of women who want abortions?


LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU DIDN'T GET IT. "Human life" includes living human cuticle cells, which are routinely killed by the hundred during manicures and pedicures, things that quite a few abortion opponents don't mind receiving. If you didn't actually read that document about human life, then you don't actually know or understand why it is sheer idiocy to claim "human life matters"!


FACTS ARE FACTS. There is no such thing as "intelligent prejudice"; all Prejudice is Stupid. And it gets expressed whenever someone claims that human life matters!


I WASN'T THE ONE WHO LIED, CLAIMING "killing a human is illegal". Abortion is quite legal and the process does kill humans. However, no **person** is targeted for killing by abortion, and that makes all the difference. It is the killing of a person that is illegal, not the killing of a human, like "pulling the plug" from a brain-dead adult human on full life-support (it is legal to kill the human because the person is already dead!).


FACTS ARE FACTS. What Facts can you present to show that an unborn human qualifies as a "being", a person? Remember Rule 5 of Debate: If you make the positive claim/assertion that an unborn human qualifies as a person, you need to support the claim with evidence. I can say it is not a person because no one has ever been able to present any such evidence! PLUS, we have other evidence supporting my claim. Remember that some scientists think that dolphins can qualify as persons, but unborn humans cannot pass even one of the many personhood tests that dolphins have been able to pass.


IF YOU CHOOSE TO BE INSULTED BY FACTS, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. The definition of a parasite is not fulfilled by an unborn human. But certain actions of a parasite are matched by an unborn human (plus the unborn human does other horrible things that no parasite does, as I previously described).


THE FACTS ARE ON MY SIDE. No luck will be needed.
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You have it all justified for yourself. Again, best of luck.
 
FutureIncoming said:
FALSE. FACTS ARE FACTS. They provide justification for keeping abortion legal. No other rationale need apply.
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You said that before. No need to repeat yourself. Nobody is listening.
 
Goodbye
 
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