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What this Catholic nun has to say about being truly pro-life is going to upset a lot

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This nun is a moron. Not wanting tax dollars to go towards these efforts doesnt mean you dont want to see those efforts done. Thats like saying I dont want people fed because I dont want the government growing grain. Its the common fallacy presented by Socialists.


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Your argument doesn't address the OP.

Let's cut to the chase. Do you advocate a nationwide ban on abortion? Is so, how do you propose to support the aborted children who are not adopted for part or all of their lives from birth through college?

If a ban on abortion becomes national law the consequences of such a law will then become a national responsibility.
 
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Your argument doesn't address the OP.

Let's cut to the chase. Do you advocate a nationwide ban on abortion? Is so, how do you propose to support the aborted children who are not adopted for part or all of their lives from birth through college?

If a ban on abortion becomes national law the consequences of such a law will then become a national responsibility.

My argument addressed the nun and her comments in the article.

Yes I advocate a nationwide ban on abortion unless the mothers life is at risk.

Just because a child is not aborted does it mean they will be put up for adoption. So first I propose people take responsibility for their action. I also propose we make it easier for parents seeking adoption. Its very expensive and its hard to completely remove the biological parents rights. I also personally believe that a merger of nursing homes and foster kids would be beneficial to both groups. I dont believe they should have support through college or that kids in college need adopting. And I dont think the nation has a responsibility for the poor decisions


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Re: What this Catholic nun has to say about being truly pro-life is going to upset a

My argument addressed the nun and her comments in the article.

Yes I advocate a nationwide ban on abortion unless the mothers life is at risk.

Any woman whose life is not at risk by your standards made a bad decision? You base that on what?

Just because a child is not aborted does it mean they will be put up for adoption.

Ok, talk to us about children who aren't adopted. Who are those children? How many are there? What are their ethnic backgrounds? What percentage are medically involved? What percentage are disabled? How free are they to follow their chosen religious beliefs? These and more are serious questions that must addressed.

So first I propose people take responsibility for their action.

Could you be more specific? Are you saying for example that pregnancies resulting from rape, or incest are directly attributable to the female? How about instances where the mother's life is in danger?

I also personally believe that a merger of nursing homes and foster kids would be beneficial to both groups.

Huh? How does that work???

I dont believe they should have support through college or that kids in college need adopting.

Your position is then that children less likely to be adopted will be second class citizens with a greater chance of being screwed from birth onward. You would deny them equal opportunity because of the circumstances of their birth?

And I dont think the nation has a responsibility for the poor decisions

Are you then saying that Twinkie eating religious conservatives should be denied all government connected healthcare? That is a relevant question.
 
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Not being adopted is worse than being killed how?
 
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Here are a few stats about US children in foster care:


40,000 new infants are placed in foster care each year

25 percent of the individuals who end up in prison spent time in foster care

30 percent of all people who are homeless spent time in Foster Care

The average number of home placements per child is three

Girls in foster care are six times more likely to give birth before the age of 21

50 percent of foster youth are unemployed four years after leaving foster care

37 percent - 48 percent of foster children don’t finish high school

Only 7 percent of foster children attend a four-year college

Only 1 percent of foster children graduate from a four-year college



Without being aware of it, all of our lives are deeply affected by others. Often by others we have never met. Taxpayers are spending $25.7 billion a year on foster care programs.
According the Journal of American Academy of Pediatrics we are spending $100 billion annually for child abuse and neglect in the United States. We should consider doing something with the money that works.

America's Abandoned Children | HuffPost
 
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Not being adopted is worse than being killed how?
You got some of those foster kids going around stealing and killing people because the system screwed them over. Killing them while they're in the womb, saves some people the trouble sadly.
 
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Will never happen, thank God.

To which god are you referring?

No modern real world major religion worships a deity in line with such a belief.
 
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Any woman whose life is not at risk by your standards made a bad decision? You base that on what?

On them deciding to kill another human being to avoid having to care for it.

Ok, talk to us about children who aren't adopted. Who are those children? How many are there? What are their ethnic backgrounds? What percentage are medically involved? What percentage are disabled? How free are they to follow their chosen religious beliefs? These and more are serious questions that must addressed.

No, they arent more serious questions.

Could you be more specific? Are you saying for example that pregnancies resulting from rape, or incest are directly attributable to the female? How about instances where the mother's life is in danger?

Could I be? I could. I said no such thing. And no rational reading of what I said could be read to even imply I said that. Everyone has the inherent right to defend their life regardless the nature of the threat that could take their life.

Huh? How does that work???

Exactly as I said. Its not complicated.

Your position is then that children less likely to be adopted will be second class citizens with a greater chance of being screwed from birth onward. You would deny them equal opportunity because of the circumstances of their birth?

No. That is just your dishonest attempt to put words in my mouth. They arent second class citizens. Where are rights being denied that others have? Just because the State is not supporting them does it mean they have unequal opportunities. What opportunities are denied being in foster care? Are you arguing foster care creates second class citizens who are denied equal opportunity? So not just legalizing abortion do you want to abolish foster care? What do we do with those children? Kill them?

Are you then saying that Twinkie eating religious conservatives should be denied all government connected healthcare? That is a relevant question.

Not just Twinkie eating religious conservatives but also Twinkie eating atheist progressives, and every in between.

No, its not really relative.


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I was asleep in the back of the classroom the day they taught math. It wasn't until I took a class in numbers theory in college that math began to click in my brain. I will forever credit that class for enabling me to make through statistics class in grad school. A mathematician I am not and never will be.

Somewhere out there there are skilled mathematicians who can and probably have determined the fairly accurate dollar amount required of federal and state governments to raise all unadopted children from birth to 23 (age of completion of college) who would in essence be wards of the state over a 25 year period from the day all abortions became illegal in the US. There would be many variables involved in determining a reasonable number of unadopted children and children adopted at various ages until legal emancipation.

Depending on the source it appears that raising one children from birth through college costs somewhere in the neighborhood of one million dollars. I cannot fathom the amount of money it would cost to raise all un-adopted or partially (late) adopted children in the US over a 25 year period. Of course if all adoptions became illegal the costs to federal and national governments would be never ending. I picked 25 years arbitrarily, to give some sense of time and commitment.

While some people do step up and adopt or commit to helping support children without parents it is to my knowledge not a common practice. Most Americans do not do it, nor can they afford to. Many more, however, are adamant about the end of abortion for all Americans regardless of the circumstances present and future.

Someone sent me the article linked below. I will confess to the board and the world that I am now in love with a nun, Sister Joan Chittister. Sister is a bright lady, an author of 46 books, who has a Phd from Penn State.

Here's what she has to say on the subject:



Much more information from this enlightened lady here.

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Such a final statement. So what does the left expect us to do with this ? Death of innocent humans as a solution is now, and will never be a solution. Wrong now, always has been. The nun is lacking..
 
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To which god are you referring?

No modern real world major religion worships a deity in line with such a belief.

This is what I believe. I believe there is one God. The only God and each person will see him. And to every religion that person will see God as he expects, Christians will see God, Muslims will see Allan and so on.
 
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This is what I believe. I believe there is one God. The only God and each person will see him. And to every religion that person will see God as he expects, Christians will see God, Muslims will see Allan and so on.

There are many gods. Even your god acknowledges that, in the commandment telling people not to worship other gods.
 
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There are many gods. Even your god acknowledges that, in the commandment telling people not to worship other gods.


True, true! And I acknowledge that. But that is not the only sin that can be committed. He also wants us to be as godly in our behavior as we can be, and in the way we treat each other. But there are those who attend church services in which the current treatment (murder) of others is openly supported.

There are some among the folks around here who believe that I am not intelligent enough to debate against the best of the best, and I have been told that to my face, but the current position of these individuals puts a big stain on their record, and my confidence over and above them cannot be shaken.
 
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Here are a few stats about US children in foster care:



America's Abandoned Children | HuffPost
I would love to be given the chance to live if I were in their shoes, and as a self defense measure, in possession of a deterrent to use against anyone who would try to take my life.
 
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Such a final statement. So what does the left expect us to do with this ? Death of innocent humans as a solution is now, and will never be a solution. Wrong now, always has been. The nun is lacking..

The quote was good....

"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."​


There's more to life than just birth.
 
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Your argument doesn't address the OP.

Let's cut to the chase. Do you advocate a nationwide ban on abortion? Is so, how do you propose to support the aborted children who are not adopted for part or all of their lives from birth through college?

If a ban on abortion becomes national law the consequences of such a law will then become a national responsibility.

So since the problem of what to do with those children that are not aborted is indeed a serious one, your solution is to just kill them? Is that it? I wonder when you will come to another solution. When will you come after another group almost as helpless as babies. The seniors. Let's cut to the real chase. This is not a woman's rights issue.

It is a overpopulation issue. And the solution is horifyingly inhuman.
 
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You got some of those foster kids going around stealing and killing people because the system screwed them over. Killing them while they're in the womb, saves some people the trouble sadly.

I don't know what the solution is, but murder is not it.
 
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You got some of those foster kids going around stealing and killing people because the system screwed them over. Killing them while they're in the womb, saves some people the trouble sadly.

A big part of the solution is for the pro life organizations to unite with pro choice organizations and make sex education and birth control especially long term birth control at no cost to men and woman and thus reduce greatly the number of unwanted pregnancies.

Women do not electively abort a wanted pregnancy.
 
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I don't know what the solution is, but murder is not it.

Killing them in the womb is one solution but there can be other solutions as well.
 
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A big part of the solution is for the pro life organizations to unite with pro choice organizations and make sex education and birth control especially long term birth control at no cost to men and woman and thus reduce greatly the number of unwanted pregnancies.

Women do not electively abort a wanted pregnancy.
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Join murder incorporated? Are you mad.?
 
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Killing them in the womb is one solution but there can be other solutions as well.

Yes there are other solutions.

The RCRC worked hard trying to get birth control with no pay into a health care program.

They also help with birth control access, access to adoptions , family planning as well as access to legal safe (for the woman ) abortions.
 
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So since the problem of what to do with those children that are not aborted is indeed a serious one, your solution is to just kill them? Is that it? I wonder when you will come to another solution. When will you come after another group almost as helpless as babies. The seniors. Let's cut to the real chase. This is not a woman's rights issue.

It is a overpopulation issue. And the solution is horifyingly inhuman.

No, that is what you might want to read but it is not what I said. It is not what the Sister said. She is pro-life, anti-abortion.
 
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I don't know what the solution is, but murder is not it.

See below. The pragmatic approach.

A big part of the solution is for the pro life organizations to unite with pro choice organizations and make sex education and birth control especially long term birth control at no cost to men and woman and thus reduce greatly the number of unwanted pregnancies.

Women do not electively abort a wanted pregnancy.
 
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My argument addressed the nun and her comments in the article.

From what I read you denigrated the nun, but I don't understand the reason as she is pro-life and anti-abortion.

Yes I advocate a nationwide ban on abortion unless the mothers life is at risk.

But what about the lives of the children who are not aborted? You appear to be what Sister Chittister refers to a "pro-birth" but not pro-life.

Just because a child is not aborted does it mean they will be put up for adoption. So first I propose people take responsibility for their action.

Mothers to be whose life is endangered by the previously unknown complications of birth; mother's to be who are pregnant as a result of incest; mothers to be as a result of rape; mothers to be as a result of the failure of birth control are at fault and thus responsible in your world? How is that?

I also propose we make it easier for parents seeking adoption. Its very expensive and its hard to completely remove the biological parents rights.

Compared to what? Sources?

I also personally believe that a merger of nursing homes and foster kids would be beneficial to both groups.

I've asked you this previously and received a flippant response. I'll ask you again how exactly that would work. People are in nursing homes primarily because of their need for attendant care and yet you would have people who have challenges taking care of themselves raising children? Jesus! I don't know where to start. Here are a few things that come to mind:

How do you propose to vet all the nursing home "parents"? What would your vetting process entail? Who pays for running the nursing home "parents" through the Child Abuse Registry? Who pays for finger printing and the FBI background checks? How do you propose to protect the children from nursing home patients who don't pass the vetting process?

Are you proposing that nursing home patients have baby cribs in their rooms and get up in the middle of the night to fed and change diapers?

Who attends parent teacher conferences? How do the nursing home parents attend school conferences, school function and extracurricular events with their adopted children when the nursing home parents are unable to drive?

Who buys clothes, toys, pets and incidentals for the adopted children? Who lends the child the family care if the nursing home parents are not longer able to drive? Who takes the children on family vacations?

How do the children adopted by "nursing home" parents learn social skills that most children learn by observation in common family situations?

What happens to the adopted child when the nursing home parent become incapacitated or dies? (That will be an all to frequent occurrence for children adopted by nursing home parents.)

The issues that would need to be address are endless. However, in a previous post you informed me the solution would be easy. Do you have children of your own? It would appear that you know little about parenting.

I dont believe they should have support through college or that kids in college need adopting.

Why not?

And I dont think the nation has a responsibility for the poor decisions

What poor decisions?
 
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From what I read you denigrated the nun, but I don't understand the reason as she is pro-life and anti-abortion.

No surprise, even though I stated the reason. Pro-life is not the only metric

But what about the lives of the children who are not aborted? You appear to be what Sister Chittister refers to a "pro-birth" but not pro-life.

Thats a reason why she is an idiot. I am not in favor of government producing food. I must be pro-hunger too.

Mothers to be whose life is endangered by the previously unknown complications of birth; mother's to be who are pregnant as a result of incest; mothers to be as a result of rape; mothers to be as a result of the failure of birth control are at fault and thus responsible in your world? How is that?

Those are your words. Answer your own question.

Compared to what? Sources?

Compared to adopting from foreign countries.

I've asked you this previously and received a flippant response. I'll ask you again how exactly that would work. People are in nursing homes primarily because of their need for attendant care and yet you would have people who have challenges taking care of themselves raising children? Jesus! I don't know where to start. Here are a few things that come to mind:

Just because you dont like a response doesnt make it flippant. But it doesnt make you irrational. Are you saying that because someone attendant care they have nothing to offer foster kids? Why do you value old people so little? Jesus! Start by being reasonable.

How do you propose to vet all the nursing home "parents"? What would your vetting process entail? Who pays for running the nursing home "parents" through the Child Abuse Registry? Who pays for finger printing and the FBI background checks? How do you propose to protect the children from nursing home patients who don't pass the vetting process?

Same way we vet parents and grandparents. Same way we protect children from parent and grandparents.

Are you proposing that nursing home patients have baby cribs in their rooms and get up in the middle of the night to fed and change diapers?

If they wish.

Who attends parent teacher conferences? How do the nursing home parents attend school conferences, school function and extracurricular events with their adopted children when the nursing home parents are unable to drive?

Who attends? Those who have an interest and are willing.

Who buys clothes, toys, pets and incidentals for the adopted children? Who lends the child the family care if the nursing home parents are not longer able to drive? Who takes the children on family vacations?

Are you saying that if a child doesnt get a pony or a vacation they are better off dead?

How do the children adopted by "nursing home" parents learn social skills that most children learn by observation in common family situations?

Are you saying old people who need attentive care are unable to teach social skills?

What happens to the adopted child when the nursing home parent become incapacitated or dies? (That will be an all to frequent occurrence for children adopted by nursing home parents.)

The same thing that happens now when the foster family loses care.

The issues that would need to be address are endless. However, in a previous post you informed me the solution would be easy. Do you have children of your own? It would appear that you know little about parenting.

If would appear you think you know too much about parenting and have little value for the elderly. How often do you take your children to nursing homes? Maybe you should volunteer some time.


Because its not needed.

What poor decisions?

Already answered.



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