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    Re: Pregnancy Is the "Silver Lining" of Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Actually, it isn't. BTW, YOU said "it's not advocating abortion". Which is why I said it isn't prohibiting it.
    I agree it isn't prohibiting it, that's up to interpretation. But the verse I cite is clear: the soul exists even before conception. There is no mention of a period in which the fetus is without a soul; in fact, that makes no sense given the verse.

    Perhaps I should note, I'm an atheist and have rejected all things supernatural all my life. I've studied the Bible for years with various denominations and with study material from various denominations. I've also been to church with various denominations. I'm fascinated by spiritual literature.

    So, unless you can produce a verse that says a fetus exists for a time period without a soul, the verse from Jeremiah stands as clear evidence against any such notion.

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    Re: Pregnancy Is the "Silver Lining" of Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I agree it isn't prohibiting it, that's up to interpretation. But the verse I cite is clear: the soul exists even before conception. There is no mention of a period in which the fetus is without a soul; in fact, that makes no sense given the verse.

    Perhaps I should note, I'm an atheist and have rejected all things supernatural all my life. I've studied the Bible for years with various denominations and with study material from various denominations. I've also been to church with various denominations. I'm fascinated by spiritual literature.

    So, unless you can produce a verse that says a fetus exists for a time period without a soul, the verse from Jeremiah stands as clear evidence against any such notion.
    its not clear that verse doesn't say a soul is combined with the body at conception or at any other point just that god allredy knows you during the pregnancy

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    Re: Pregnancy Is the "Silver Lining" of Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    its not clear that verse doesn't say a soul is combined with the body at conception or at any other point just that god allredy knows you during the pregnancy
    Do you have any Bible verse that says a soul occupies a fetus after conception? No, you don't. Dittohead pulled that out of his ass.

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    Re: Pregnancy Is the "Silver Lining" of Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    You are a hypocrite because you and many of the pro-choice radicals refuse to read anything sources from lifenews and other reputable sources - which cite medical studies and reputable sources but expect to read your garbage sources like the huffington post, daily kos, mother jones, etc...

    LOL
    I call BS. I have read many articles from many sources including pro life sources.

    But I don't expect you to read the articles I post unless you want too.

    I was asked for citations and I searched for articles that quoted my citations , then per DP rules I posted the article I pulled the quoted citations from.

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    Re: Pregnancy Is the "Silver Lining" of Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you have any Bible verse that says a soul occupies a fetus after conception? No, you don't. Dittohead pulled that out of his ass.
    Main line Christian churches believe ensoulment happens with the breath of life.



    The Breath of Life

    In the Bible when God created Adam God :
    “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul”
    (Genesis 2:7).

    Also, these verses in Genesis (6:17; 7:15, 22) refer to the “breath of life,”

    And in Job “The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life” (Job 33:4).


    More Bible verses:

    By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host.
    Psalms 33:6



    9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army...

    13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

    Ezekiel 37 9-10, 13-14
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    Re: Pregnancy Is the "Silver Lining" of Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Pro choice Christian churches believe ensoulment happens with the breath of life.



    The Breath of Life

    In the Bible when God created Adam God :
    “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul”
    (Genesis 2:7).

    Also, these verses in Genesis (6:17; 7:15, 22) refer to the “breath of life,”

    And in Job “The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life” (Job 33:4).


    More Bible verses:

    By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host.
    Psalms 33:6



    9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army...

    13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

    Ezekiel 37 9-10, 13-14
    Is a zygote not alive?

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    Re: Pregnancy Is the "Silver Lining" of Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Is a zygote not alive?

    Scientifically an unborn is alive, but spiritually according to the Bible life begins with live birth.
    The passages I quoted from the Bible teaches us that spiritually life begins with the breath of life.
    It is when God breaths spiritual life into a babies body. Thats why it is referred to as the breath of life.


    Genesis 2
    7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
    and man became a living soul.

    Living soul.


    I was talking about the breath of life makes us living souls.

    We receive the living soul at birth.

    This Wiki link helps explain about a living soul.


    Nephesh (נֶ֫פֶשׁ‎ np̄e) is a Biblical Hebrew word which occurs in the Hebrew Bible. The word refers to the aspects of sentience, and human beings
    and other animals are both described as having nephesh.[1][2] Plants, as an example of live organisms, are not referred in the Bible as having nephesh. The term נפש‎ is literally 'soul', although it is commonly rendered as "life" in English translations.[3] A view is that nephesh relates to 'sentient being' without the idea of life and that, rather than having a nephesh, a sentient creation of God is a nephesh. In Genesis 2:7 the text is that Adam was not given a nephesh but "became a living nephesh." Nephesh then is better understood as 'person', seeing that Leviticus 21:11 and Numbers 6:6 speak of a 'dead body', which in Hebrew is a np̄e mṯ, a dead nephesh. [4] Nephesh when put with another word can detail aspects related to the concept of nephesh; with רוּחַ‎ rach "spirit" it describes a part of mankind that is immaterial, like one's mind, emotions, will, intellect, personality and conscience, as in Job 7:11. [5][6]
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephesh

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    Re: Pregnancy Is the "Silver Lining" of Rape

    And here's why that's bull****. By the Genesis account there was no living ancestor to Adam, Adam was the first human being, and Adams body was made with pure ****ing divine magic.

    Human embryology does not work that way.

    I am not a "strong" atheist so don't get me wrong, the fact that our embryology doesn't align with divine magic doesn't objectively mean that our bodies are NOT based off a blueprint of divine magic for a dude from an extra-dimensional paradise garden...

    ... but since I'm considerate of that fact, how about we not pretend that the two creation acts are remotely similar?

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    Re: Pregnancy Is the "Silver Lining" of Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I agree it isn't prohibiting it, that's up to interpretation. But the verse I cite is clear: the soul exists even before conception. There is no mention of a period in which the fetus is without a soul; in fact, that makes no sense given the verse.

    Perhaps I should note, I'm an atheist and have rejected all things supernatural all my life. I've studied the Bible for years with various denominations and with study material from various denominations. I've also been to church with various denominations. I'm fascinated by spiritual literature.

    So, unless you can produce a verse that says a fetus exists for a time period without a soul, the verse from Jeremiah stands as clear evidence against any such notion.
    I don't claim it does or doesn't have a soul, it's irrelevant to the abortion debate, as far as I am concerned. The verse you cite is often used by Christians to say God is against abortion. It says no such thing.

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    Re: Pregnancy Is the "Silver Lining" of Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by GEIxBattleRifle View Post
    DNA is there to tell us what something is. When discussing if we wanna kill something, it's helpful to know what it is.

    In the case of abortion, we already know that the unborn are humans throughout all stages of development. It's mostly personhood that is (should) being discussed now.

    So there shouldn't be any special focus on DNA or what the unborn are since those have already been decided. JayDubya is merely reminded people some of the scientific facts.
    and when a person dies, the DNA is unchanged. Does that mean that a cadaver is also a human being?
    Its an unbelievably complex subject. Nobody knew health care could be so complicated. Donald Trump



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