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The Solution to the Abortion Problem is... [W:398]

Binary_Digit

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Eliminating unwanted pregnancies!

With all this talk about what should or should not be allowed when it comes to abortion, it seems to me that the prevention of unwanted pregnancies takes a back seat, when I think it should remain at the forefront of the discussion.

After all, if there were no unwanted pregnancies, then there would be no abortions would there?

We're not living in the days of sheep skin condoms anymore. There are literally dozens of contraceptive options out there now, many of which can work in conjunction with each other. In this day and age, with so many ways of preventing unwanted pregnancies, why isn't this considered by more people to be the best solution to the abortion problem? Why do we spend so much time with arguments like "my body, my choice" and "it's a baby not just a clump of cells" - there is no need for any of these debates if the unwanted pregnancy were simply avoided in the first place.

If selfish people who have religious hangups about contraception would just mind their own damn business and/or drop the stigma about other people having unmarried recreational sex, then maybe the rest of us could get down to the business of promoting more contraception use in an effort to eliminate unwanted pregnancies. Then the abortion problem would pretty much fix itself. These people need to decide what's more important: preventing others from having abortions or preventing others from having "sinful" sexual relations. They can't have both. It doesn't work.
 
Also, if someone does accidentally become pregnant, we can use the Attitude Adjuster ray to make them want the pregnancy.
 
Binary_Digit said:
Eliminating unwanted pregnancies!
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NOT POSSIBLE. Sometimes a wanted pregnancy becomes an unwanted pregnancy. The leading cause of that is, a man seduces a woman until she becomes pregnant, and then he runs away. Her rage against the man, for abandoning her, has been known to take the form of, "I refuse to bear that man's offspring!!" --and then she gets an abortion. To prevent this scenario possibly means identifying and executing all the men who would do that thing.

AND THEN THERE ARE RAPE-CAUSED PREGNANCIES....
 
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Binary_Digit said:
Eliminating unwanted pregnancies!

With all this talk about what should or should not be allowed when it comes to abortion, it seems to me that the prevention of unwanted pregnancies takes a back seat, when I think it should remain at the forefront of the discussion.

After all, if there were no unwanted pregnancies, then there would be no abortions would there?

We're not living in the days of sheep skin condoms anymore. There are literally dozens of contraceptive options out there now, many of which can work in conjunction with each other. In this day and age, with so many ways of preventing unwanted pregnancies, why isn't this considered by more people to be the best solution to the abortion problem? Why do we spend so much time with arguments like "my body, my choice" and "it's a baby not just a clump of cells" - there is no need for any of these debates if the unwanted pregnancy were simply avoided in the first place.

If selfish people who have religious hangups about contraception would just mind their own damn business and/or drop the stigma about other people having unmarried recreational sex, then maybe the rest of us could get down to the business of promoting more contraception use in an effort to eliminate unwanted pregnancies. Then the abortion problem would pretty much fix itself. These people need to decide what's more important: preventing others from having abortions or preventing others from having "sinful" sexual relations. They can't have both. It doesn't work.
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Reality agrees with you and the world is catching up. Unwanted pregnancies have been on a downward trend for many years and so has the abortion rate. Because people are wising up, not because the militants in front of PP and/or Carly Fiorina have an effect.
 
FutureIncoming said:
NOT POSSIBLE. Sometimes a wanted pregnancy becomes an unwanted pregnancy. The leading cause of that is, a man seduces a woman until she becomes pregnant, and then he runs away. Her rage against the man, for abandoning her, has been known to take the form of, "I refuse to bear that man's offspring!!" --and then she gets an abortion. To prevent this scenario possibly means identifying and executing all the men who would do that thing.

AND THEN THERE ARE RAPE-CAUSED PREGNANCIES....
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Very true, and there are other scenarios, but those are statistically rather insignificant, I believe. Therefore I don't believe in ever banning the procedure entirely.
 
Binary_Digit said:
Eliminating unwanted pregnancies!

With all this talk about what should or should not be allowed when it comes to abortion, it seems to me that the prevention of unwanted pregnancies takes a back seat, when I think it should remain at the forefront of the discussion.

After all, if there were no unwanted pregnancies, then there would be no abortions would there?

We're not living in the days of sheep skin condoms anymore. There are literally dozens of contraceptive options out there now, many of which can work in conjunction with each other. In this day and age, with so many ways of preventing unwanted pregnancies, why isn't this considered by more people to be the best solution to the abortion problem? Why do we spend so much time with arguments like "my body, my choice" and "it's a baby not just a clump of cells" - there is no need for any of these debates if the unwanted pregnancy were simply avoided in the first place.

If selfish people who have religious hangups about contraception would just mind their own damn business and/or drop the stigma about other people having unmarried recreational sex, then maybe the rest of us could get down to the business of promoting more contraception use in an effort to eliminate unwanted pregnancies. Then the abortion problem would pretty much fix itself. These people need to decide what's more important: preventing others from having abortions or preventing others from having "sinful" sexual relations. They can't have both. It doesn't work.
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Exactly. The way to reduce the number of abortions isn't outlawing the practice, but making contraception widely available and educating people (not just women. Men have a part in this as well) about contraception.

Outlawing abortion just drives it underground. Real sex education, not just "abstinence education" works.
 
I think it is better to see who the scum in society is frankly. I say lets see who is willing to kill their unwanted children instead of keeping that kind of thing a mystery.
 
FutureIncoming said:
NOT POSSIBLE. Sometimes a wanted pregnancy becomes an unwanted pregnancy. The leading cause of that is, a man seduces a woman until she becomes pregnant, and then he runs away. Her rage against the man, for abandoning her, has been known to take the form of, "I refuse to bear that man's offspring!!" --and then she gets an abortion. To prevent this scenario possibly means identifying and executing all the men who would do that thing.

AND THEN THERE ARE RAPE-CAUSED PREGNANCIES....
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Reasons given for having abortions:

32% - Not ready/too young to be a parent
30% - Can't afford a child
16% - Don't want the lifestyle change
13% - Single mother or in a poor relationship
3% - Rape
0.9% - Life/health of mother at risk
0.5% - Health of fetus
0.03% - Incest

Reasons given for having abortions in the United States

Your scenario might fall under the "single mother or in a poor relationship" category, about 13% of all abortions. But well over 78% are due to accidental and unwanted pregnancies. So splitting hairs aside, what I said in the OP still stands.

Henrin said:
I think it is better to see who the scum in society is frankly. I say lets see who is willing to kill their unwanted children instead of keeping that kind of thing a mystery.
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I'm guessing you're pro-life. This makes it seem like you care more about catching people who abort than you care about the "baby" in the first place. What a backwards way to look at it.
 
Binary_Digit said:
I'm guessing you're pro-life. This makes it seem like you care more about catching people who abort than you care about the "baby" in the first place. What a backwards way to look at it.
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A woman that would abort because a child is unwanted is not someone I want to be a mother.
 
prometeus said:
It is widely agreed that it is those who would impose their ignorant or uneducated position on others.
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You must really hate liberals then. :cool:
 
Henrin said:
I think it is better to see who the scum in society is frankly. I say lets see who is willing to kill their unwanted children instead of keeping that kind of thing a mystery.
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The majority of women are not scum. They are good people who are deceived by abortionists, the media, doctor, schooling, etc. that abortion is morally acceptable.

These radical liberals are massive hypocrites. The same people that attack domestic violence yet love watching 50 shades of Grey....
 
Binary_Digit said:
Your scenario might fall under the "single mother or in a poor relationship" category, about 13% of all abortions. But well over 78% are due to accidental and unwanted pregnancies. So splitting hairs aside,
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THE OP SPECIFIED "ELIMINATING UNWANTED PREGNANCIES". I am generally in favor of that notion, but I also understand the task is fundamentally impossible, with respect to ending **all** unwanted pregnancies. Call it "splitting hairs" or something else, but my post was about the Fact that the goal you want is fundamentally impossible to totally achieve. There will always be unwanted pregnancies, period.
 
FutureIncoming said:
NOT POSSIBLE. Sometimes a wanted pregnancy becomes an unwanted pregnancy. The leading cause of that is, a man seduces a woman until she becomes pregnant, and then he runs away. Her rage against the man, for abandoning her, has been known to take the form of, "I refuse to bear that man's offspring!!" --and then she gets an abortion. To prevent this scenario possibly means identifying and executing all the men who would do that thing.

AND THEN THERE ARE RAPE-CAUSED PREGNANCIES....
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Are you insane?

You want to execute every man who runs out on his paternal responsibilities?

Throw them in jail...maybe. But execution? Utterly and completely barbaric, imo.

I hope that you never get any political power.
 
DA60 said:
Are you insane?
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NOT AT ALL.

DA60 said:
You want to execute every man who runs out on his paternal responsibilities?
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NOT WHAT I SAID (which is why I am not insane). Try re-reading what I actually said, instead of reading your own "spin" of what I said. The word "possibly" is extremely important!
 
In a perfect world that would be wonderful, sadly we do not live in such a world meaning that unwanted pregnancies will continue to occur and thus there is still a need for abortion. But I agree, things should be done to maximize the prevention of pregnancies.
 
Henrin said:
I think it is better to see who the scum in society is frankly. I say lets see who is willing to kill their unwanted children instead of keeping that kind of thing a mystery.
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I proudly proclaim to all that I support killing children in the womb prior to viability...
 
Bucky said:
The majority of women are not scum. They are good people who are deceived by abortionists, the media, doctor, schooling, etc. that abortion is morally acceptable.

These radical liberals are massive hypocrites. The same people that attack domestic violence yet love watching 50 shades of Grey....
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Abortion is moral. *shrugs*
 
The solution is to convince theocratic busybodies to piss off.
 
I drop by here every once in a long while as a reminder to myself why I shouldn't drop by here.
 
FutureIncoming said:
THE OP SPECIFIED "ELIMINATING UNWANTED PREGNANCIES". I am generally in favor of that notion, but I also understand the task is fundamentally impossible, with respect to ending **all** unwanted pregnancies. Call it "splitting hairs" or something else, but my post was about the Fact that the goal you want is fundamentally impossible to totally achieve. There will always be unwanted pregnancies, period.
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I guess I figured the unpreventable cases like rape etc. were obvious to everyone and should go without saying. So - there would be much fewer abortions if there were much more focus on preventing/avoiding unwanted pregnancies (in realistic ways). Surely that's better. :)
 
Interestingly enough those who are strongly against abortion rights, tend to also be giant hypocrites by also being strongly against sex education, contraception, insurance coverage for prescription contraceptives, and/or free contraception.
 
Dragonfly said:
Interestingly enough those who are strongly against abortion rights, tend to also be giant hypocrites by also being strongly against sex education, contraception, insurance coverage for prescription contraceptives, and/or free contraception.
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Is there a special dictionary for left wing pro-abort radicals where "hypocrisy" means something other than hypocrisy?

Real talk. I'm beyond sick of correcting this error, and since not one of you have ever been able to rationally support this insipidly stupid claim, you're not all just pulling this **** out of your ass as should be the case. Someone fed you this **** like you were baby birds and now you're all parroting it...
 
humbolt said:
I drop by here every once in a long while as a reminder to myself why I shouldn't drop by here.
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th


So very true.
Similarly, you also need to avoid contact with certain, um, personalities that can last longer than a poison ivy rash.
 
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