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    re: Choices [W:1315]

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Only as far as what others have told you.
    "OTHERS" INCLUDE SCIENTISTS STUDYING THE TOPIC OF PERSONHOOD FROM AND OBJECTIVE, NOT SUBJECTIVE, POINT OF VIEW. And therefore some scientists conclude that members of various species of dolphins can qualify as "beings", persons. But unborn humans cannot pass even ONE of the tests that dolphins have passed, to qualify as beings/persons!

    THEREFORE THE DATA INDICATES THAT ABORTION OPPONENTS EXHIBIT THE IDIOCY OF STUPID PREJUDICE, when claiming unborn humans are persons/beings.

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    And that my dear is the "opinion" of SCOTUS!
    IN THIS CASE THE OBJECTIVE SCIENTIFIC DATA AGREES WITH SCOTUS, that unborn humans cannot possibly qualify as persons. The Objective scientific data disagrees with SCOTUS in claiming that just-born humans are persons/beings --it takes quite a few months after birth before human animals become human persons/beings.

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Not fact!
    YOUR OWN CLAIMS ABOUT PRE-BIRTH BEINGS ARE CERTAINLY NOT FACT, EITHER!!!
    Stupidly Prejudiced Master Race Idiocy was supposedly stomped into irrelevance by WW2; insisting "human=person" fails to Be Prepared for any future with non-human persons in it. So: Define "person" to accurately distinguish one, regardless of how exists, from a mere animal, universally. Why should Stupid Prejudice let our unborn qualify?

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    re: Choices [W:1315]

    Quote Originally Posted by FutureIncoming View Post
    "OTHERS" INCLUDE SCIENTISTS STUDYING THE TOPIC OF PERSONHOOD FROM AND OBJECTIVE, NOT SUBJECTIVE, POINT OF VIEW. And therefore some scientists conclude that members of various species of dolphins can qualify as "beings", persons. But unborn humans cannot pass even ONE of the tests that dolphins have passed, to qualify as beings/persons!

    THEREFORE THE DATA INDICATES THAT ABORTION OPPONENTS EXHIBIT THE IDIOCY OF STUPID PREJUDICE, when claiming unborn humans are persons/beings.


    IN THIS CASE THE OBJECTIVE SCIENTIFIC DATA AGREES WITH SCOTUS, that unborn humans cannot possibly qualify as persons. The Objective scientific data disagrees with SCOTUS in claiming that just-born humans are persons/beings --it takes quite a few months after birth before human animals become human persons/beings.


    YOUR OWN CLAIMS ABOUT PRE-BIRTH BEINGS ARE CERTAINLY NOT FACT, EITHER!!!
    To be honest, you have no way of knowing how subjective these scientists are. And please, no slanted opinions from liberal democratic sites. And at least my proof makes sence.
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    re: Choices [W:1315]

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Only as far as what others have told you. And that my dear is the "opinion" of SCOTUS! Not fact!
    I don't care about your "SCOTUS". The laws of MY country do not make a zef a human *being* until live birth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    I don't care about your "SCOTUS". The laws of MY country do not make a zef a human *being* until live birth.
    Although it's already a fact. You deny it. You should be glad because everything I say is true. And if you keep it up, well let's just saw tha
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    re: Choices [W:1315]

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    No. They live. Since theyre still growing. And if, at that point, if you abort it, a human being dies.
    A typical evasion of the question. You said, "life begins at conception". I asked what is it before that point, is it not life or is it dead?

    This is not a silly question. Your belief is that life begins at that point of conception and after that point should not be terminated. But if it is also life before that point then should not the same rule apply?

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    re: Choices [W:1315]

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    To be honest, you have no way of knowing how subjective these scientists are.
    REALLY? AND WHAT GENERIC CHARACTERISTICS OF PERSONHOOD WOULD **YOU** EXPECT EXTRATERRESTRIAL ALIENS NEED TO HAVE, TO QUALIFY AS PERSONS INSTEAD OF MERE-ANIMAL ENTITIES??? Because whatever the list (except for the obvious fact that "human-ness" cannot be part of any such list), dolphins can be tested for those characteristics, and so can recently-born humans. I'm quite certain that you will find that if your list of characteristics sufficed to prevent adult cats from qualifying as persons, it will also suffice to prevent unborn humans from qualifying as persons (almost entirely because the single Stupidly Prejudiced item that apparently almost all abortion opponents desperately want to include on that list, "human-ness", must be excluded since it is obvious that no extraterrestrial alien person can be expected to be human --that is, "human" and "person" are most certainly two totally independent and distinct concepts having nothing to do with each other).

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    And please, no slanted opinions from liberal democratic sites.
    ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE DOLPHIN LINK? HERE, TRY THESE.

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    And at least my proof makes sence.
    IN YOUR DREAMS. Stupid Prejudice **never** makes sense!
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    Stupidly Prejudiced Master Race Idiocy was supposedly stomped into irrelevance by WW2; insisting "human=person" fails to Be Prepared for any future with non-human persons in it. So: Define "person" to accurately distinguish one, regardless of how exists, from a mere animal, universally. Why should Stupid Prejudice let our unborn qualify?

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    re: Choices [W:1315]

    Quote Originally Posted by RamFel View Post
    Although it's already a fact. You deny it. You should be glad because everything I say is true. And if you keep it up, well let's just saw tha
    Whaaaat???

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    re: Choices [W:1315]

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Some sources say 2%, others say 4% - either way, it's a very low percentage. I highly doubt that the percentage has risen, but feel free to post statistics if you think it has.


    I agree with your stats as presented.

    But the percentage difference is in the wording of the stat.

    My 1 percent stat was : Only about 1 percent of US women give their newborn up for adoption.
    That stat includes married woman.

    Your 2 percent stat was unmarried women giving up their child at any age.

    From your 2 percent stat:


    2% of unmarried women at any age place their child for adoptioN.
    Your 4 percent stat included married and unmarrie women giving up a child, including older children, not just newborns.

    From your 4 percent link:
    I do not have national statistics, but I got some statistics on this from the New York State Department of Social Services.2 They report that of the children currently waiting in foster care, 60% are black, 93% are over 3 years old, and "many" have physical or mental disabilities.
    Last edited by minnie616; 04-21-17 at 04:51 AM.

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    re: Choices [W:1315]

    Quote Originally Posted by soylentgreen View Post
    A typical evasion of the question. You said, "life begins at conception". I asked what is it before that point, is it not life or is it dead?

    This is not a silly question. Your belief is that life begins at that point of conception and after that point should not be terminated. But if it is also life before that point then should not the same rule apply?
    There are multiple meanings of life.

    Hell.....is a sperm dead as it "swims" upstream?

    As long as the zygote embryo or fetus is attached and completely dependent on the woman's biology to survive.....it may be "life" but it clearly and emphatically a NOT a person that is entitled to supersede the rights of the actual person that it is living within.

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    re: Choices [W:1315]

    Quote Originally Posted by FutureIncoming View Post
    REALLY? AND WHAT GENERIC CHARACTERISTICS OF PERSONHOOD WOULD **YOU** EXPECT EXTRATERRESTRIAL ALIENS NEED TO HAVE, TO QUALIFY AS PERSONS INSTEAD OF MERE-ANIMAL ENTITIES??? Because whatever the list (except for the obvious fact that "human-ness" cannot be part of any such list), dolphins can be tested for those characteristics, and so can recently-born humans. I'm quite certain that you will find that if your list of characteristics sufficed to prevent adult cats from qualifying as persons, it will also suffice to prevent unborn humans from qualifying as persons (almost entirely because the single Stupidly Prejudiced item that apparently almost all abortion opponents desperately want to include on that list, "human-ness", must be excluded since it is obvious that no extraterrestrial alien person can be expected to be human --that is, "human" and "person" are most certainly two totally independent and distinct concepts having nothing to do with each other).

    O
    ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE DOLPHIN LINK? HERE, TRY THESE.


    IN YOUR DREAMS. Stupid Prejudice **never** makes sense!



    What I mean by slanted opinions from liberal democratic sites is when you search for proof, the only thing you have is sites which side with your views. You will never win because you will do that every single time, just like we do. You're only hope is to use logic and common sense, which you will never do and thus you can never truly win.
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