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Post-Conception/Pre-Viability Rights for Men

Ikari said:
Not from my philosophical perspective, it doesn't. So not sure what you are talking about there. From a legal perspective, sure as abortion is legal. But even it being legal doesn't mean that the man should be able to opt out of child care. There's a child involved, and making the child suffer is a far greater injustice than paying child support for a kid you helped create. So I guess if you want to complain that it's unfair, then yes it is. But I'm not going to actually support one being able to divorce themselves from the responsibility entangled with creating a child. There's a human on the line, and that cannot be ignored.
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Id like to see the mental machinations you make that help that philosophical perspective 'work'. I mean...you jump from a sexual act and conception to 'theres a child involved'. You have no problems with the woman killing that child if it is inconvenient and unwanted prior to birth, but extend no consideration to the man that doesnt want the child.

Seems rather hypocritical in this era of equal rights that a woman should have all the rights in the world including the right to keep and have the child, give it up for adoption, or kill it...but the mans only choice is to pay for it.
 
VanceMack said:
Id like to see the mental machinations you make that help that philosophical perspective 'work'. I mean...you jump from a sexual act and conception to 'theres a child involved'. You have no problems with the woman killing that child if it is inconvenient and unwanted prior to birth, but extend no consideration to the man that doesnt want the child.
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I don't think you even understand my position, it seems to be that you are reading what you want to read. I didn't say I have "no problems with a woman killing that child..." I'm pro-life. That means if we ignore the law and ask from a purely philosophical standpoint, I hold the same standard across the board.

But keep going if that makes you feel good, bro. But next time, just try reading before reacting.
 
Aberration said:
My problems with the current situation are, the State determining what the man should provide, especially when they don't really consider his situation. And there being no legal repercussions for a woman who denies the father access to his child.


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Both of those are false.
 
Ikari said:
I don't think you even understand my position, it seems to be that you are reading what you want to read. I didn't say I have "no problems with a woman killing that child..." I'm pro-life. That means if we ignore the law and ask from a purely philosophical standpoint, I hold the same standard across the board.

But keep going if that makes you feel good, bro. But next time, just try reading before reacting.
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My apologies. You are correct. I COMPLETELY misread one of your earlier comments.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Post-Conception/Pre-Viability Rights for Men

What are your thoughts regarding an Opt Out for men after being informed of a pregnancy? Currently there are no post conception rights for men... that is Constitutionally unequal in terms of rights as well... not too mention basic common morality.
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You know the risks when you dip your wick.

The Constitution most certainly does not give men any cover whatsoever in this matter.

"Common morality" is that you should be responsible for the consequences of your actions. This is nothing more than an escape hatch for irresponsible men.
 
Visbek said:
You know the risks when you dip your wick.

The Constitution most certainly does not give men any cover whatsoever in this matter.

"Common morality" is that you should be responsible for the consequences of your actions. This is nothing more than an escape hatch for irresponsible men.
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You haven't addressed the argument...
 
Bodhisattva said:
You haven't addressed the argument...
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Yes, I have.

When a man has sex with a woman, even if they are using protection, they run the risk of the woman getting pregnant. You may not like the resulting imbalance of protecting the right of women to choose whether to continue the pregnancy, but that does not change the fact that the man is still responsible for the consequences of his actions.

There is no option for him to eschew responsibility. Suck it up.
 
Visbek said:
Yes, I have.

When a man has sex with a woman, even if they are using protection, they run the risk of the woman getting pregnant. You may not like the resulting imbalance of protecting the right of women to choose whether to continue the pregnancy, but that does not change the fact that the man is still responsible for the consequences of his actions.

There is no option for him to eschew responsibility. Suck it up.
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That is why he should have a say in an abortion. I mean, purely by the logic of equality.
 
Visbek said:
You know the risks when you dip your wick.

The Constitution most certainly does not give men any cover whatsoever in this matter.

"Common morality" is that you should be responsible for the consequences of your actions. This is nothing more than an escape hatch for irresponsible men.
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You like how abortion is nothing but an escape hatch for women in the vast majority of cases?
 
Visbek said:
Yes, I have.

When a man has sex with a woman, even if they are using protection, they run the risk of the woman getting pregnant. You may not like the resulting imbalance of protecting the right of women to choose whether to continue the pregnancy, but that does not change the fact that the man is still responsible for the consequences of his actions.

There is no option for him to eschew responsibility. Suck it up.
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She has all the power and rights regarding her pregnancy in my scenario... hence your not addressing the argument. Deal with it.
 
choiceone said:
We will not do what has to be done to make the situation more equal, but here is the properly impartial argument.
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Why will you not do what it takes to make the situation more equal?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Why will you not do what it takes to make the situation more equal?
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I was tempted to respond that it's not choiceone's responsibility to do what it takes to make the situation equitable. It's the court's misfortune and malfeasance which led to the uncivil treatment of men under the guise of false civility, the court should rule in favor of men who want to freely exercise reproductive liberty.

Last month, Pence cast the deciding vote to deny family planning money to Planned Parenthood. It is now clear that the same women who have not advocated for male reproductive autonomy (human reproductive autonomy), yet want reproductive rights for women, are selling themselves short to a disastrous end.

So, if you wanted to defund Planned Parenthood, congratulations. I'm not talking to those women. To the women who did not want to defund Planned Parenthood, it should be more clear than ever before that you need to advocate for "post conception, pre viability rights" for both men and women. In short, men should have as much access to their own version of a personal choice to disavow parentage after conception as women do. Call it a financial abortion, or call it whatever you want. Now is not the time to split hairs.

So women, even if you thought you could be a feminist by completely ignoring the plight of half of your fellow earth inhabitants, then now is the time to admit that you were wrong. Don't divide us. Unite us in seeking reproductive rights for both men and women.
 
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