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Anti-choice propaganda about parenting

Josie said:
No, I don't disagree with that. The government already DOES step in when children are being mistreated.
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Then what is the problem with my statement?
 
Josie said:
What the hell??? Mentally and physically disabled people aren't human beings??
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I love it when they step in the **** they're shoveling.

Or rather I usually do. Bodhi doesn't actually care about any of this, he's just playing games at the expense of those who do.
 
Josie said:
I'd agree with that to a point. If the person doesn't care that no one is helping that person and won't even lift a finger to help him themselves, then they do not care at all about that person.

However, if the person sees that someone is in need, but believes a charity or church or individual should step in and help instead of the government, that doesn't make that person awful.
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I agree Josie... I would also say that prior to the 1900's and into the early 1900's there were great community charities/societies and church charities that did the job better than the government does. I remember reading about them years ago but forgot what they are called. The government put regulations and rules on them and all but shut them down.
 
JayDubya said:
The Jesus in your head was probably fine with the Holocaust too, no "actual people" got hurt. :roll:

That's a weird position for a rabbi to take, though.

I somehow doubt you as a prophet, now.
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The Jesus that I know abhors the Holocaust... your idiotic and childish tantrums are pathetic. :lol:

JayDubya said:
I love it when they step in the **** they're shoveling.

Or rather I usually do. Bodhi doesn't actually care about any of this, he's just playing games at the expense of those who do.
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Sure I care. I wish that people would not abort unless that person can't care for the child.
 
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Josie said:
What the hell??? Mentally and physically disabled people aren't human beings??
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Of course they are human beings... it was humour. Physically disabled and mentally disabled people are human beings and people and individuals and all that. They were born. They are people. A ZEF is not. A fetus is past viability though...
 
Bodhisattva said:
The Jesus that I know abhors the Holocaust... your idiotic and childish tantrums are pathetic. :lol:
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No see no worries nothing bad happened to "actual people," because as we all know, Jesus only cares about current law. Current law is always correct and moral. He says it so often in the Bible after all... all of never.
 
Josie said:
No, I didn't agree with this statement:



Because people help starving children all the time. Just because there are some children who still go without food, the conclusion isn't that NOBODY is helping starving children.



The government does. Also, numerous charities around the country including churches help those in need. Just because there are still children who go without food because their parents are morons, doesn't mean NOBODY is helping poor children. You see now?
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These "born children" are the powerless "victims" of moron parents, and who can't fend for themselves.

FYI, the World Health Organization reports that over (9 million) children, under the age of 5 years old SUFFER beyond our imaginations AND DIE from PREVENTABLE CAUSES on an annual basis.

There are 10's of thousands of children in the USA who are abused, neglected, and abandoned every year.

When children are left to the care of irresponsible people - they suffer in ways that most people just don't understand.

While I understand that you feel that the "yet to be born" are sacred and need protected...BORN CHILDREN need that same level of concern and actions on the part of every family member, community organizations, state, and federal agencies to PROTECT the general welfare of living, breathing, participating in the world children.

At this very moment our government is busting its balls to terminate extremely need social programs that will directly impact millions is children. Does this touch your heart at all?
 
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JayDubya said:
THE SPECIES IS DISTINGUISHED BY.
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THE MOST-COMMONLY-OBSERVED CHARACTERISTICS. But every species includes "outlying" members that are a bit different from the norm. Without those outlying members, no species could adapt to new environmental conditions to the extent of evolving to become a different species. In the case of humans, they are commonly observed to have superior mental development compared to ordinary animals, such that those members of the human species are able to call themselves "beings". However, the outlying members of the species include all that don't have any mental development, like hydatidiform moles, and those that have lost their mental development, like the brain-dead on life-support. **YOU** make the ridiculous claim that all members of the human species are equal, even while you bigotedly and ignorantly try to exclude hydatidiform moles and the brain-dead. Tsk, tsk!

REMEMBER THE CONSTITUTION, which uses the word "person" throughout, and doesn't use the word "human" even once. What is your Answer to this Question?: "If you were visiting a well-equipped modern medical laboratory, and some madman with a machete cut your head off in an attempt to murder you, but rescuers arrived in time, would you want them to save your severed head, or save your headless human body, to save YOU-THE-PERSON?"

YOU KNOW WHAT A PERSON TRULY IS. So why do you keep ignoring the Constitution and keep telling Stupid Lies?
 
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Removable Mind said:
FYI, the World Health Organization reports that near over 9,000,000,000 children, under the age of 5 years old SUFFER beyond our imaginations AND DIE from PREVENTABLE CAUSES on an annual basis.
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EXAGGERATION. That number you wrote is 9 billion, but the total planetary population is currently less than 8 billion. Total annual death rate of all born humans worldwide from all causes is very roughly about 50 million per year (that link says 57 million in 2002), so I suspect/estimate the number you presented needs to be reduced to perhaps/maybe 9 million. Still too many, of course!
 
Bodhisattva said:
Of course they are human beings... it was humour. Physically disabled and mentally disabled people are human beings and people and individuals and all that. They were born. They are people. A ZEF is not. A fetus is past viability though...
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Nah, that wasn't humor. You just didn't realize what you actually agreed to.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Of course they are human beings... it was humour. Physically disabled and mentally disabled people are human beings and people and individuals and all that. They were born. They are people. A ZEF is not. A fetus is past viability though...
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Right, ZEF's aren't classified as Human Beings.

A "viable fetus" is human life - provided it's a Human conception. But still doesn't rank as human being.

And I agree with you that far too many children suffer from hunger, abuse, and neglect.
 
Removable Mind said:
Right, ZEF's aren't classified as Human Beings.

A "viable fetus" is human life - provided it's a Human conception. But still doesn't rank as human being.

And I agree with you that far too many children suffer from hunger, abuse, and neglect.
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I agree, even though a few months ago I did not. It took digging into the true meaning of "being" for me to see the light, as it were. A being is, at its core, sentient, and legally it has to be born.

We can, for philosophical discussion, drop the legal requirement, perhaps. But, we certainly cannot call a non-sentient, first trimester fetus a "being."
 
Bodhisattva said:
If nobody is taking care of the needy and another person still thinks that the government should not help that person and as a consequence the needy person continues "Starving" or being malnourished then yes, that person does not care about the needy person.
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If nobody is taking care of the needy what is the chances there will be a large demand for welfare?
 
Removable Mind said:
Right, ZEF's aren't classified as Human Beings.
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Your moronic slur isn't anything.

A Homo sapiens in the zygote stage of life is a human being, however. As is a Homo sapiens in any other stage of life. They wouldn't be some other kind of organism seeing as they're Homo sapiens and all.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I did last night. He said that there are much more relevant things to put our worried energy into like war victims, abuse victims, modern day slavery and disaster victims to name a few... ALL of which involve actual people.
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I hope you're joking.

Jesus thinks modern day slavery is more important than abortion. Stop the presses the expert has spoken.

You take on a yoke too big for any man when you speak for Jesus. I know what he tells me and it sure as **** ain't telling others how to live their lives. If anything The Carpenter warns against it. They who trespass his rules will know it in time, our role is to find grace and forgiveness for those around us no matter what sins we think they have committed.

For you enlightenment, Jesus gave us but one command. Just one. It is "Love one another."

I suggest you start
 
calamity said:
lol...you first. Show that he is not.
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"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea." Matthew 18:6


Seems a bit protective, no?

Here....

Bible Search: jesus and children

More than 200 verses dealing with Jesus and his relationship to children. If, after reading all of them you, you still maintain he would be fine with abortion, THEN I will discuss this with you.

However to have a discussion as opposed to an argument, both parties need to be as informed as the other. Once you have read these we will be on the same page and THEN you can ask such a question.

As it stands you're insulting. To us as well as Him....


and take it from me, that ain't smart.
 
Josie said:
Nah, that wasn't humor. You just didn't realize what you actually agreed to.
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Sure it was humor. The argument that mentally/physically impaired people as a come back to a fetus not being a being is old and tired. They are not the same hence the ridiculousness of the analogy.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I hope you're joking.

Jesus thinks modern day slavery is more important than abortion. Stop the presses the expert has spoken.

You take on a yoke too big for any man when you speak for Jesus. I know what he tells me and it sure as **** ain't telling others how to live their lives. If anything The Carpenter warns against it. They who trespass his rules will know it in time, our role is to find grace and forgiveness for those around us no matter what sins we think they have committed.

For you enlightenment, Jesus gave us but one command. Just one. It is "Love one another."

I suggest you start
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Where did I say that His message was about telling others how to live their lives?

Start yourself...
 
Removable Mind said:
Right, ZEF's aren't classified as Human Beings.

A "viable fetus" is human life - provided it's a Human conception. But still doesn't rank as human being.

And I agree with you that far too many children suffer from hunger, abuse, and neglect.
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Even if it is a human being, which it legally is not, I find it irrelevant. A woman has the right to terminate a ZEF inside of her for any reason prior to viability and I wouldn't care if it was classified as a "sentient human being person zygote" or not. If it can not live outside the womb on it's own, for lack of a better term, it is **** out of luck.
 
JayDubya said:
Your moronic slur isn't anything.
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TALKING ABOUT YOURSELF AGAIN, I SEE. When are you going to accept the Fact that dictionary definitions are Subjective, not Objective?

JayDubya said:
A Homo sapiens in the zygote stage of life is a human
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TRUE. IT IS A HUMAN ENTITY. There are a wide variety of human entities, including white blood cells and hydatidiform moles and brain-dead adults on life-support. All of them have human DNA, revealing their membership in the species homo sapiens. (Remember that stem-cell researchers and cloning researchers know the nucleus of a white blood cell is biologically equivalent to a zygote's nucleus.) But not all human entities qualify as "beings". Mathematically, we can imagine two "sets", one of which consists of all possible members of species homo sapiens, and another of which consists of "human beings". The two sets are not equal to each other! Human beings are all members of the set of homo sapiens entities, but not all homo sapiens entities are members of the set of human beings. Yet somehow you default-erroneously think they are! Why??? Even after you admit hydatidiform moles and brain-dead adults are human entities but not human beings, you still make the too-generic claim about the equality of the sets!
 
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