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Anti-choice propaganda about parenting

calamity said:
How is wanting to deny poor children government assistance for things like food not wanting them to starve?
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Wow. You really are a dyed-in-the-wool advocate of cradle-to-grave ass-wiping nanny statism, aren't you, socialist?

Government is really the only solution to you, isn't it? :lamo


Well the problem you're having is I am not afflicted with such a ridiculous worship of authority and absolute dependence as you are.
 
Removable Mind said:
There are atheists on this site who believe exactly as you do...in terms of believing abortion is a violation of life itself. Obviously, they don't refer to any scriptures. They base it on person moral standard, actually just like you. And at the end of the day, you being a christian and them an atheist, share a common believe about a particular stage of life.
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Good for them.

What does this say about the abortionists here?
 
Bodhisattva said:
What is your solution to children born into extreme poverty or to crack mothers or into abusive homes where they will face all sorts of horrors?

Why is abortion not a better option than having a crack baby?
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Infants who have been exposed to smoked cocaine, or crack, during pregnancy typically show a wide spectrum of symptoms after birth, although it is not uncommon for some infants to be asymptomatic, says the National Institute on Drug Abuse. What Are the Treatments for Babies Born Addicted to Crack Cocaine? | LIVESTRONG.COM

Babies born to mothers who use cocaine during pregnancy are often prematurely delivered, have low birth weights and smaller head circumferences, and are shorter in length than babies born to mothers who do not use cocaine.26,29,30 Dire predictions of reduced intelligence and social skills in babies born to mothers who used crack cocaine while pregnant during the 1980s—so-called "crack babies"—were grossly exaggerated. However, the fact that most of these children do not show serious overt deficits should not be overinterpreted to indicate that there is no cause for concern. https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicati...cocaine/what-are-effects-maternal-cocaine-use

During the 80's and 90's, the nation's health specialists panicked over the growing number of so-called "crack babies" — children exposed to crack cocaine in utero. These children were said to be doomed to lives of physical and mental disability. But, 20 years later, many of the children who were perceived to be "at-risk" are proving the predictions wrong as young adults. Crack Babies: Twenty Years Later : NPR
 
nota bene said:
Infants who have been exposed to smoked cocaine, or crack, during pregnancy typically show a wide spectrum of symptoms after birth, although it is not uncommon for some infants to be asymptomatic, says the National Institute on Drug Abuse. What Are the Treatments for Babies Born Addicted to Crack Cocaine? | LIVESTRONG.COM

Babies born to mothers who use cocaine during pregnancy are often prematurely delivered, have low birth weights and smaller head circumferences, and are shorter in length than babies born to mothers who do not use cocaine.26,29,30 Dire predictions of reduced intelligence and social skills in babies born to mothers who used crack cocaine while pregnant during the 1980s—so-called "crack babies"—were grossly exaggerated. However, the fact that most of these children do not show serious overt deficits should not be overinterpreted to indicate that there is no cause for concern. https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicati...cocaine/what-are-effects-maternal-cocaine-use

During the 80's and 90's, the nation's health specialists panicked over the growing number of so-called "crack babies" — children exposed to crack cocaine in utero. These children were said to be doomed to lives of physical and mental disability. But, 20 years later, many of the children who were perceived to be "at-risk" are proving the predictions wrong as young adults. Crack Babies: Twenty Years Later : NPR
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Great, the crack babies have a reliable and persistent difference in their development to "normal babies" but not as big as feared. But this is not just crack babies, it is also babies of alcohol addicted mothers, the abandoned babies, the babies in torn up families, the babies who are growing up in violent, etc. etc. etc.

But all of that is just not really the issue, women do not have to justify anything when it comes to abortion except to themselves.
 
Peter King said:
Great, the crack babies have a reliable and persistent difference in their development to "normal babies" but not as big as feared. But this is not just crack babies, it is also babies of alcohol addicted mothers, the abandoned babies, the babies in torn up families, the babies who are growing up in violent, etc. etc. etc.
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Yeah, just kill em all, the little ****s, right?

So humanitarian you pro-abort socialists are.

/spit
 
Peter King said:
Great, the crack babies have a reliable and persistent difference in their development to "normal babies" but not as big as feared. But this is not just crack babies, it is also babies of alcohol addicted mothers, the abandoned babies, the babies in torn up families, the babies who are growing up in violent, etc. etc. etc.
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Well, fine; let's just abort all babies because you never know. Even some born into wealth and privilege or even intact homes will end up badly, and the only way to prevent this is to kill them in utero. :roll:
 
nota bene said:
Well, fine; let's just abort all babies because you never know. Even some born into wealth and privilege or even intact homes will end up badly, and the only way to prevent this is to kill them in utero. :roll:
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There's no way to predict if the savior of humankind or the eradicator of all humankind is being aborted. But there is one thing women do know. Will bringing a child into the world be in both her and a newborn child best interests. Only each individual woman can make that call.

The notion that most or some higher proportion of abortions are done for malicious reasons is simply nonsense.
 
Removable Mind said:
The notion that most or some higher proportion of abortions are done for malicious reasons is simply nonsense.
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"I'm killing you for personal gain" isn't malicious?

K. Sure.
 
JayDubya said:
Protecting human rights. Equality.
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THEREFORE HYDATIDIFORM MOLES AND BRAIN-DEAD ADULTS ON LIFE SUPPORT DESERVE RIGHTS, ACCORDING TO YOU. We've been over this pretty thoroughly, and your failure to reply to #766 shows everyone how few actual Facts you have on your side. The net result is, You Are Spewing Stupidly Prejudiced Master Race Idiocy, which is NOT supported by the Constitution. "Person rights" is more important than "human" rights!

JayDubya said:
On the contrary, you can't give us a valid reason to discriminate against unborn human beings.
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STUPIDLY, LYINGLY FALSE. It is not "discrimination" to kill a true parasite; and it is not "discrimination" to kill some other entity that Objectively, Measurably, acts worse than a true parasite. PLUS you keep spouting the Stupid Lie that unborn humans qualify as "beings", yet you **still** haven't provided the slightest bit of evidence that they qualify as "beings", in the same way that an extraterrestrial alien visitor might qualify as a "being".

JayDubya said:
You just spew nonsense
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BE SPECIFIC. Otherwise you are just spouting another Stupid Lie.

JayDubya said:
and lies
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BE SPECIFIC. Otherwise you are just spouting another Stupid Lie.

JayDubya said:
- bull****.
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BE SPECIFIC. Otherwise you are just spouting another Stupid Lie.

JayDubya said:
Says nothing about abortion.
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DOESN'T NEED TO. Persons have rights, and unborn humans don't qualify as persons. It Is Very Simple, yet somehow (most likely reason: Stupidly Prejudiced Master Race Idiocy) such simplicity escapes you.

JayDubya said:
See 10th Amendment for what to do when the Constitution doesn't talk about a topic.
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I HAVE --SEE ABOVE. The People have rights, and unborn humans still don't qualify as "people". See #766 again.
 
JayDubya said:
It's a ****ty option from the perspective of the crack baby! ****ing duh.

What, like a crack baby never had a good life which they valued? Is the crack baby suicide rate sitting at 100%? No? You're wrong then.
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It is subjective so no... I isn't wrong.
 
nota bene said:
Infants who have been exposed to smoked cocaine, or crack, during pregnancy typically show a wide spectrum of symptoms after birth, although it is not uncommon for some infants to be asymptomatic, says the National Institute on Drug Abuse. What Are the Treatments for Babies Born Addicted to Crack Cocaine? | LIVESTRONG.COM

Babies born to mothers who use cocaine during pregnancy are often prematurely delivered, have low birth weights and smaller head circumferences, and are shorter in length than babies born to mothers who do not use cocaine.26,29,30 Dire predictions of reduced intelligence and social skills in babies born to mothers who used crack cocaine while pregnant during the 1980s—so-called "crack babies"—were grossly exaggerated. However, the fact that most of these children do not show serious overt deficits should not be overinterpreted to indicate that there is no cause for concern. https://www.drugabuse.gov/publicati...cocaine/what-are-effects-maternal-cocaine-use

During the 80's and 90's, the nation's health specialists panicked over the growing number of so-called "crack babies" — children exposed to crack cocaine in utero. These children were said to be doomed to lives of physical and mental disability. But, 20 years later, many of the children who were perceived to be "at-risk" are proving the predictions wrong as young adults. Crack Babies: Twenty Years Later : NPR
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That is horrible. Coupled with the poverty... non.existent parents.... abuse... poor learning abilities... and health concerns? Heck. Sounds like they won the lottery...
 
JayDubya said:
Yeah, just kill em all, the little ****s, right?

So humanitarian you pro-abort socialists are.

/spit
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Appeal to Whinyness.
 
JayDubya said:
Yeah, just kill em all, the little ****s, right?

So humanitarian you pro-abort socialists are.

/spit
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Did I write anything saying that? Nope, that is your issue with reality there.

I do not say women should abort children in those situations nor do I say they should not abort them. It has nothing to do with me, it is down to them, their choice. My "socialist" even though I am not a socialist but a social democrat view is that women should be made able to keep children by child support, benefits in proper housing, for children with difficulties we have somehting called "backpacks" which is a financial benefit aimed at helping these children to get a good education and get proper help.

That is what my social democrat views say, so that women do not have to make difficult choices in situations where it is money or lack of help is one of the main deciding factors for a woman to make that difficult choice to abort.

My post was just about women having to make their own mind up and that they do not have to make excuses for that choice because it is their choice and they will have to live with it.

Also still not a pro-abort, which IMHO virtually nobody is, but as you have reality issues, which is most likely why you make insanely inaccurate insults part and parcel of a lot of your posts.
 
nota bene said:
Well, fine; let's just abort all babies because you never know. Even some born into wealth and privilege or even intact homes will end up badly, and the only way to prevent this is to kill them in utero. :roll:
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Never said that, as said in another post, I live in a society where it is made easier for women to choose to keep those babies, a novel concept I agree but that is just how we social democrats like to roll.

And the best way to not have any ZEF aborted is preventing the pregnancy to begin with.
 
Peter King said:
Never said that, as said in another post, I live in a society where it is made easier for women to choose to keep those babies, a novel concept I agree but that is just how we social democrats like to roll.

And the best way to not have any ZEF aborted is preventing the pregnancy to begin with.
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Then the the right to getting your brains screwed out during impromptu sex with a stranger would be violated. ;) Seriously, I can hear it now.
 
Scrabaholic said:
As far as I know, nobody here performs abortions.
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We've been over this before but, I'll set you up;

abortionist
[uh-bawr-shuh-nist]
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noun, Usually Disparaging.
1.
a person who performs or induces abortions, especially illegally.
2.
a person who favors or advocates abortion as a right or choice that all women should have.
 
WCH said:
We've been over this before but, I'll set you up;

abortionist
[uh-bawr-shuh-nist]
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Word Origin
noun, Usually Disparaging.
1.
a person who performs or induces abortions, especially illegally.
2.
a person who favors or advocates abortion as a right or choice that all women should have.
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Why do you pro illegal abortionists keep this lie up?
 
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