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Anti-choice propaganda about parenting

Scrabaholic said:
You can be anti abortion but not against it being legal.
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JayDubya said:
No. That's stupid.
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WHAT SCRABAHOLIC WROTE IS WHAT I REQUESTED (in #15) YOU PROVE
JayDubya said:
Because no one is anti-choice,
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UTTERLY FALSE. Anyone who promotes slavery, like every abortion opponent does, is against choice. Slavery removes choice!

JayDubya said:
pro-abort.
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ANOTHER STUPID LIE FROM YOU. I am pro-choice. It doesn't bother me at all if someone chooses to carry a pregnancy to term (to which a "pro-abort" would object!), exactly as it doesn't bother me at all if someone chooses to get an abortion. I'm all for letting them make their choices by themselves! YOU, on the other hand, want to remove choice; therefore you promote slavery.

JayDubya said:
There are those of us who are moral
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IGNORANT, YOU MEAN. MORALS ARE PROVABLY ARBITRARY, AND THEREFORE ARE WORTHLESS --at least compared to "ethics". Your so-called "moral" regarding unborn humans derive from the days when 1/3 of all born babies died by the age of 5, and women had to be baby factories to make up for the losses --but those days no longer exist, which is exactly why that "moral" is arbitrary! If it was Objectively Valid, it would be valid everywhere and all the time, but today the world is overpopulated thanks to millions of folks just as ignorant as yourself. As far as Nature is concerned, human life is no more special than worm life. Go ahead! Just try to PROVE TO NATURE you are inherently superior to a worm --you will FAIL because all you can invoke in your favor is Stupid Prejudice.

JayDubya said:
and oppose the legality of abortion,
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NOTHING NEW THERE; you have yet to offer an Objectively Valid reason to oppose the legality of abortion! Just opinion, so far!

JayDubya said:
and then there are those who are at best amoral.
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I TAKE THAT AS A COMPLEMENT, SINCE I KNOW ETHICS IS VASTLY SUPERIOR TO MORALS. Ethics can be Objectively Valid, for one thing! Non-Arbitrary, for another. And Universally Applicable, for a third. Have I not mentioned to you the scenario of an intelligent alien species that has 1000 offspring at a time? YOUR WORTHLESS "MORALS" would insist that every one of those offspring must survive, even though the result would be one Malthusian Catastrophe after another (with up to 99% of the species dying each time, thereby rendering Utterly Stupid your so-called "morals"). Meanwhile, Ethics understands the difference between persons, beings, and mere-animal entities such as developing offspring. In Nature only a couple offspring of each breeding pair need survive, for the species to survive. The rest Nature doesn't care about, at all --and there is no great reason intelligent beings need to, either, when the result would be overpopulation.
 
WCH said:
You a parent?
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NOT RELEVANT. I did not deny that parenting was selfless; I merely pointed out that it is ALSO extremely selfish. I notice you didn't answer my Question, why should you selfishly pass on YOUR genes instead of letting someone else pass on theirs.... Don't you know that in Nature There Is No Such Thing As A Right To Breed? The **only** Right Nature recognizes is a "right to try". And every single living thing does exactly that, often as selfishly as possible.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Self defense killing is also allowed. Given the effects pregnancy has and can have on a woman's body, abortion can be considered self defense.
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That indicates how fuzzy the arguments pro abortion usually are trying only superficially to justify, what is obviously activity based on only a "That's what I want!". The perp in the abortion is never the human being terminated and in most cases it is the girl that doesn't want it, but made it alive. It is really very sad how people won't stand by their relativistic beliefs.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Self defense killing is also allowed. Given the effects pregnancy has and can have on a woman's body, abortion can be considered self defense.
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That's retarded. Who causes the "effects?"

You can't hurt yourself then claim self-defense.
 
JayDubya said:
That's retarded. Who causes the "effects?"

You can't hurt yourself then claim self-defense.
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Easy for you to say since you can't get pregnant.
 
calamity said:
Easy for you to say since you can't get pregnant.
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It doesn't require a uterus to understand causal reality, fam.

And of course, not having one is no guarantee, case in point, you saying this now.
 
joG said:
That indicates how fuzzy the arguments pro abortion usually are trying only superficially to justify, what is obviously activity based on only a "That's what I want!". The perp in the abortion is never the human being terminated and in most cases it is the girl that doesn't want it, but made it alive. It is really very sad how people won't stand by their relativistic beliefs.
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WTF are you trying to say?
 
FutureIncoming said:
NOT RELEVANT. I did not deny that parenting was selfless; I merely pointed out that it is ALSO extremely selfish. I notice you didn't answer my Question, why should you selfishly pass on YOUR genes instead of letting someone else pass on theirs....
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What? Why can't it be both?
 
joG said:
Actually most research of the last ten years comes to similar results. What might surprise a little is the conclusion is missed. If children are fulfillment and the parents profit by having a satisfying and much longer life, while every child adds to a severely overpopulated globe.....
Yes. Why do we subsidize parents and not tax them higher? Considering they collect social security longer and drive up health care costs, while their children produce a multiple of maybe eight times the sustainable co2, if scientists are telling us the truth....
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Wow...you never cease to amaze. Are you trying to be a competitor to Bill Nye, the science guy? That would be Great! Yuge! Bigly!
 
Henrin said:
What? Why can't it be both?
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WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I already said parenting was both selfless and selfish. I perhaps should have mentioned adoption, which is hugely selfless and only a little selfish (there IS a biological/selfish drive toward nest-building, which requires child-raising for fulfillment) in comparison to the selfishness of passing one's genes on.
 
joG said:
That indicates how fuzzy the arguments pro abortion
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FALSE. THE DATA IS VERY CLEAR, that unborn humans assault their hostesses at least 4 different ways. There is no "fuzziness" about it, in the slightest!

joG said:
usually are trying only superficially to justify,
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DO YOU THINK ASSAULT IS JUSTIFIED? On the contrary! The ending of assault is justified!

joG said:
what is obviously activity based on only a "That's what I want!".
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READ THIS LINK AGAIN. The woman obviously wants children, but the assaults committed by the unborn are so intolerable she can't do it!

joG said:
The perp in the abortion is never the human
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UTTERLY FALSE; the perpetrator of assault during pregnancy is **always** the unborn human!

joG said:
being
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UTTERLY FALSE. No unborn human qualifies as a "being", a person. It is a mere-animal entity only. You should check out all the tests that dolphins have had to pass, before some folks became convinced they qualify as persons, beings --because unborn humans cannot pass **any** of those tests! (Do note that we expect True Artificial Intelligences and intelligent extraterrestrial aliens to also be able to pass those tests --scientists are not Stupidly Prejudiced about the word "human", unlike ignorant abortion opponents.)

joG said:
terminated and in most cases it is the girl that doesn't want it, but made it alive.
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WHY DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CREATOR OF SOMETHING HAVING THE RIGHT TO DESTROY IT? This is a well-established principle, and includes paintings, musical compositions, novels, sculpture, and even mad scientists creating life in a laboratory.

joG said:
It is really very sad how people won't stand by their relativistic beliefs.
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THAT IS A NONSENSICAL STATEMENT. "relativistic" implies beliefs are allowed to change based on circumstances. That's why this happens!
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/parenthood-linked-longer-life-study-234045380.html

I will bet anyone money some kind of socially-conservative religious group is behind this study. They are just trying to shame women who aren't going to let being a mom shape their self worth.
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Possibly from a socially-conservative group but that means absolutely zero to anything.

All scientific and medical journals should refuse to publish articles that originate from socially-conservative groups.
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This statement shows you don't know anything about science.
 
FutureIncoming said:
FALSE. THE DATA IS VERY CLEAR, that unborn humans assault their hostesses at least 4 different ways. There is no "fuzziness" about it, in the slightest!


DO YOU THINK ASSAULT IS JUSTIFIED? On the contrary! The ending of assault is justified!


READ THIS LINK AGAIN. The woman obviously wants children, but the assaults committed by the unborn are so intolerable she can't do it!


UTTERLY FALSE; the perpetrator of assault during pregnancy is **always** the unborn human!


UTTERLY FALSE. No unborn human qualifies as a "being", a person. It is a mere-animal entity only. You should check out all the tests that dolphins have had to pass, before some folks became convinced they qualify as persons, beings --because unborn humans cannot pass **any** of those tests! (Do note that we expect True Artificial Intelligences and intelligent extraterrestrial aliens to also be able to pass those tests --scientists are not Stupidly Prejudiced about the word "human", unlike ignorant abortion opponents.)


WHY DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE CREATOR OF SOMETHING HAVING THE RIGHT TO DESTROY IT? This is a well-established principle, and includes paintings, musical compositions, novels, sculpture, and even mad scientists creating life in a laboratory.


THAT IS A NONSENSICAL STATEMENT. "relativistic" implies beliefs are allowed to change based on circumstances. That's why this happens!
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Says the person who can't escape the realm of the intellect. [right where Satan led you]

Could you please quit screaming??
 
WCH said:
A lot. [back to the selfish factor]
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Terminating a pregnancy is often selfless. Why drag some fetus into the world if you know you will just ignore it or treat it like crap? You're doing it a favor by ending it's life before it begins to experience all that disappointment.
 
calamity said:
Terminating a pregnancy is often selfless. Why drag some fetus into the world if you know you will just ignore it or treat it like crap? You're doing it a favor by ending it's life before it begins to experience all that disappointment.
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Giving it up to parents who can't have children or desire adoption would be "doing it a favor" Blatantly murdering it kills a piece of your soul.
 
WCH said:
Giving it up to parents who can't have children or desire adoption would be "doing it a favor" Blatantly murdering it kills a piece of your soul.
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nonsense

There is no soul, and abortion is not murder.
 
WCH said:
In the realm of the intellect, no there isn't. I'm speaking from the realm of faith.
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Faith is personal. So, yes. You can believe what you want. But, we do not have to accept your personal beliefs as our own, and the law does not have to oblige your whims.
 
calamity said:
Faith is personal. So, yes. You can believe what you want. But, we do not have to accept your personal beliefs as our own, and the law does not have to oblige your whims.
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Thus the damage to your souls. [that you don't believe in]

Why does it always come back as "I'm forcing myself on you to think a certain way"? Do you feel a little guilt in the back of your mind?
 
calamity said:
Terminating a pregnancy is often selfless. Why drag some fetus into the world if you know you will just ignore it or treat it like crap? You're doing it a favor by ending it's life before it begins to experience all that disappointment.
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I mean, by that logic we should shoot the homeless.
 
calamity said:
Terminating a pregnancy is often selfless. Why drag some fetus into the world if you know you will just ignore it or treat it like crap? You're doing it a favor by ending it's life before it begins to experience all that disappointment.
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Maybe just, I don't know, try not being a total piece of **** who ignores your kids or treats them like crap? At a bare minimum just don't ****ing kill them?
 
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