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Judge stalls Texas efforts to defund Planned Parenthood

LittleNipper said:
There are other free clinics beside Planned Parenthood. I do not understand the concern for this abortion factory and body parts distributor.
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Because we don't want to lose that resource...

LittleNipper said:
My beliefs are the foundation of my opinion, as your unbelief is the foundation of yours. Evolution is a very broad and difficult to nail down belief structure among many of the scientific community, and those who simply need an excuse to disavow the existence of a higher power. Planned Parenthood was founded by a Nazi loving woman who hated the poor and minorities reproducing, and as such should not be funded by the Federal Government nor anyone who values human life.
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Who cares why it was created. It is a good resource now.

That said, the poor should not be having children that they can not afford.
 
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LittleNipper said:
So explain to me the proof that GOD didn't create life. You're under the assumption that scientists are creating biological life from dirt everyday? So scientists are even making rocks from nothing? So, if no one can create either rocks or life, how do you prove that GOD doesn't exist. What, you never prayed to GOD? You accept that everything exists and happens as only a series of chance events?
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Matter creates rocks... no need to prove a negative and try to prove God exists... it is up to others to prove He does exist.

And most women who have no respect for their God given bodies, abuse natures parameters, and fail to appreciate the institution of marriage feel exactly as you do.
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God Given is just a saying... it is not proof of anything.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Matter creates rocks... no need to prove a negative and try to prove God exists... it is up to others to prove He does exist.



God Given is just a saying... it is not proof of anything.
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Matter didn't always exist. Biological life exists and yet cannot be fabricated from inert materials by thoughtful humans. Just because you cannot prove a negative doesn't mean you are off the hook.
 
Well, we care what you wish to spend our money on. I believe you think the poor should be fixed. Perhaps that would be the solution. Everyone who becomes pregnant and wishes an abortion should be fixed during the procedure so that no other individual maybe murdered on that account. The choice would be completely theirs. Get an abortion and be fixed or carry the baby full term and give it up for adoption.
 
LittleNipper said:
Well, we care what you wish to spend our money on. I believe you think the poor should be fixed. Perhaps that would be the solution. Everyone who becomes pregnant and wishes an abortion should be fixed during the procedure so that no other individual maybe murdered on that account. The choice would be completely theirs. Get an abortion and be fixed or carry the baby full term and give it up for adoption.
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That's a great theory. But have you taken notice of the ten's of thousands of children who spend much of their lives being wards of the state being passed around like footballs in the Child Protective Systems across the nation...who would never be adopted. Or children going in the system now who will never be adopted.

Can you guess why they'll never be adopted?

Only about a couple of percent of women who consider abortion actually wind up give up their baby for adoption. There's a reason for that as well.
 
LittleNipper said:
Matter didn't always exist.


Just because you cannot prove a negative doesn't mean you are off the hook.
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:lol: if that isn't irony then nothing is...
 
LittleNipper said:
Matter didn't always exist.
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THAT DOESN'T MAKE GOD NECESSARY TO EXPLAIN ITS EXISTENCE. A vast amount of data points to a "Big Bang" that could have been a 100% random event.

LittleNipper said:
Biological life exists
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TRUE

LittleNipper said:
and yet cannot be fabricated from inert materials by thoughtful humans.
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FALSE.

LittleNipper said:
Just because you cannot prove a negative doesn't mean you are off the hook.
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WE DON'T NEED TO PROVE THE NEGATIVE, so long as you continue to totally fail to prove the positive.
 
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LittleNipper said:
Well, we care what you wish to spend our money on.
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IF THERE IS JUST ONE THING YOU APPROVE OF GOVERNMENT SPENDING ON (say, for example, high-quality equipment for our troops), then all your tax money amounts to a drop in the bucket of the total that the Government routinely spends on THAT. Which means you don't have to think of even one cent of your tax money getting spent on abortion. it is OTHER people's tax money that goes there --like the taxes of pro-choicers!
 
Removable Mind said:
That's a great theory. But have you taken notice of the ten's of thousands of children who spend much of their lives being wards of the state being passed around like footballs in the Child Protective Systems across the nation...who would never be adopted. Or children going in the system now who will never be adopted.

Can you guess why they'll never be adopted?

Only about a couple of percent of women who consider abortion actually wind up give up their baby for adoption. There's a reason for that as well.
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I do notice that students are not being told that sex outside of marriage is totally wrong and benefits no one. I believe it is because in today's society and under today's laws, being "judgmental" is grounds for a lawsuit from the ACLU.

0.5%
Victim of rape
3%
Fetal health problems
4%
Physical health problems
4%
Would interfere with education or career
7%
Not mature enough to raise a child
8%
Don't want to be a single mother
19%
Done having children
23%
Can't afford a baby
25%
Not ready for a child
6%
Other
 
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FutureIncoming said:
THAT DOESN'T MAKE GOD NECESSARY TO EXPLAIN ITS EXISTENCE. A vast amount of data points to a "Big Bang" that could have been a 100% random event.


TRUE


FALSE.


WE DON'T NEED TO PROVE THE NEGATIVE, so long as you continue to totally fail to prove the positive.
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So be NEGATIVE! You still have not PROVEN how LIFE came to be. You have not provided a reason for living. You have not proven that things happen without reason. Biological life has NEVER been fabricated from scratch, and clones do not count ---- neither does biological tampering. And oddly, even Frankenstein's Monster realized that he was "CREATED" (though from exploiting pre-existing parts).
 
LittleNipper said:
So be NEGATIVE!
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WHY? What's wrong with "neutral"?

LittleNipper said:
You still have not PROVEN how LIFE came to be.
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YOU HAVEN'T EXPLAINED WHY ANY SUCH PROOF IS NECESSARY. By the way, what do you think of this data, which indicates life on Earth arrived from elsewhere?

Anyway, the the main discussion here is the Overall Abortion Debate, in which we **do** know all about how human lives usually come to begin (from sperm and ova).

LittleNipper said:
You have not provided a reason for living.
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WHY SHOULD WE? The drive-to-survive is Naturally part of all life-forms (because the ones that didn't have it became extinct). That drive-to-survive cares nothing-at-all about "reasons".

LittleNipper said:
You have not proven that things happen without reason.
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FALSE. I presented to you a link showing it is VERY possible for things to happen without reason. (That does not deny the existence of the Law of Cause and Effect; it is merely an addition to the Law of Cause and Effect --SOME Causes are not themselves "effects". And you should be glad of that, because it makes Free Will possible!)

LittleNipper said:
Biological life has NEVER been fabricated from scratch,
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YOU SAY THAT LIKE YOU FOOLISHLY THINK IT CAN NEVER, EVER BE DONE. They are working on it! Give 'em time!

LittleNipper said:
and clones do not count ---- neither does biological tampering. And oddly, even Frankenstein's Monster realized that he was "CREATED" (though from exploiting pre-existing parts).
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NOT RELEVANT. Scientists know full well how to convert inorganic substances into organic substances. Perhaps you are suffering from a delusion known as "vitalism"? That was outright-disproved nearly 200 years ago!
 
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LittleNipper said:
I do notice that students are not being told that sex outside of marriage is totally wrong and benefits no one. I believe it is because in today's society and under today's laws, being "judgmental" is grounds for a lawsuit from the ACLU.

0.5%
Victim of rape
3%
Fetal health problems
4%
Physical health problems
4%
Would interfere with education or career
7%
Not mature enough to raise a child
8%
Don't want to be a single mother
19%
Done having children
23%
Can't afford a baby
25%
Not ready for a child
6%
Other
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That, again, is dervived from religious beliefs, not a civil mandate. Marriage is like a public contract that is actually a legal commitment of joint responsibilities. There are other statistical data linked to civil licensed marriages used by governments.

A lot of states recognize informal, or if you will, common law marriage. Usually that means that people have shown to have joined in a relationship in specific ways that civil authorities deem their relationships in the same committed ways that persons do when they are on pubic record via a marriage license and taken some form of oath before a legally recognized official. That can include a legally recognized member of a religious organization.

You brought up "adoption" as an option, rather than abortion, in your previous post. This is an extremely important issue.

And you didn't address my comments regarding the tens of thousands of children who wind up in CPS system who spend years, if not their entire childhoods in the system who were, are won't ever be adopted. Do you know why?

Can you cite cases filed on the grounds of one party "being judgmental" of another party in a manner that harm is so horrific that they incur significant losses? I'm at a loss over the meaning of your comment regarding ACLU and laws regarding "being judgmental" as grounds for suit.
 
LittleNipper said:
It is very easy to prove that GOD exists. Every action carries with it consequences. And whether it is assumed global warming, or the evolution of various disease causing pathogens --- the fact remains that the general public is far more frightened of its own shadow now than it ever was while the Judeo/Christian values were respected, valued, and revered. Prove this is not the case.
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That is not proof of the Christian God, let alone any diety/higher power. And I'm sure people have told you this plenty of times already, the burden of proof is on nobody but you.
 
TheGoverness said:
That is not proof of the Christian God, let alone any diety/higher power. And I'm sure people have told you this plenty of times already, the burden of proof is on nobody but you.
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So don't expect me to believe that anything I can do will affect "Global Warming." You have proven nothing --- you merely believe it to be possible. That's YOUR religion.

Don't expect me to believe that the murder of babies will save humanity. You have proven nothing --- you merely believe this is so. That's YOUR religion.
Don't imagine that Planned Parenthood is the best thing women have to protect their freedom. That is YOUR belief and part of YOUR religion. That religion is Hedonism; however, the STATE shouldn't be paying for it.
 
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LittleNipper said:
Don't expect me to believe that the murder of babies will save humanity.
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THAT IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING, FROM ABORTION. Simply because unborn humans are **provably** very different from "babies".

One consequence of the FACT that unborn humans are very different from babies is that killing an unborn human **never** qualifies as "murder". That word is reserved ONLY for describing the killing of a person, such as an intelligent extraterrestrial alien being who is peacefully walking down the ramp of a flying saucer. Unborn humans are mere-animal entities only --dolphins have a far better chance of qualifying as persons, than do unborn humans!
 
LittleNipper said:
So don't expect me to believe that anything I can do will affect "Global Warming." You have proven nothing --- you merely believe it to be possible. That's YOUR religion.

Don't expect me to believe that the murder of babies will save humanity. You have proven nothing --- you merely believe this is so. That's YOUR religion.
Don't imagine that Planned Parenthood is the best thing women have to protect their freedom. That is YOUR belief and part of YOUR religion. That religion is Hedonism; however, the STATE shouldn't be paying for it.
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I see you ignored my post. :lol:
 
TheGoverness said:
That is not proof of the Christian God, let alone any diety/higher power. And I'm sure people have told you this plenty of times already, the burden of proof is on nobody but you.
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His arguments are ridiculous...
 
LittleNipper said:
So don't expect me to believe that anything I can do will affect "Global Warming." You have proven nothing --- you merely believe it to be possible. That's YOUR religion.

Don't expect me to believe that the murder of babies will save humanity. You have proven nothing --- you merely believe this is so. That's YOUR religion.
Don't imagine that Planned Parenthood is the best thing women have to protect their freedom. That is YOUR belief and part of YOUR religion. That religion is Hedonism; however, the STATE shouldn't be paying for it.
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:eek:t

A reminder - this is a forum about topics related to abortion.

But since you want to continue to inject what is obviously related to your religion...

The existence of global warming and god isn't anywhere near the types of argument that should be uttered in the same sentence. Or even in the same thread. Or even in the same Forum.

The questions around global warming aren't philosophical, they emanate from a scientific perspective, not religion.

God, on the other hand is philosophical because not even documents such as bibles (or the like, based on specific religions) stand as empirical proof - as they are all derived from human beings who claim some deity inspired them to be its scribe. Humans have had very clever imaginations for a very long time. Homer, 1200 years BC, was a fantastic example of human beings ability to influence the minds of their fellow beings.

Now, back to a more earthly, humanistic environment. Can we move on to more direct arguments regarding, or related to abortion?

I am against war, especially wars where our citizens are sent into foreign countries and put in harms way, but yet the government won't allow me to, at my discretion, select the ways that I want my tax dollars to be spent.

No matter how many times it is explained what methods that Planned Parenthood uses to bill the government for reimbursement for services rendered, which extremely important health care services are provided - not related to abortion - even the seriously needed health services are rejected by pro-life advocates because PP has a segment of their organization that performs non-medically necessary abortions, which are not funded by governments.
 
LittleNipper said:
I do notice that students are not being told that sex outside of marriage is totally wrong and benefits no one.
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Whether or not it's ok outside of marriage is an opinion. Sex ed should teach FACTS, not opinions.



0.5%
Victim of rape
3%
Fetal health problems
4%
Physical health problems
4%
Would interfere with education or career
7%
Not mature enough to raise a child
8%
Don't want to be a single mother
19%
Done having children
23%
Can't afford a baby
25%
Not ready for a child
6%
Other
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100% The woman does not wish to be pregnant. Her reason is irrelevant.
 
LittleNipper said:
So don't expect me to believe that anything I can do will affect "Global Warming." You have proven nothing --- you merely believe it to be possible. That's YOUR religion.

Don't expect me to believe that the murder of babies will save humanity. You have proven nothing --- you merely believe this is so. That's YOUR religion.
Don't imagine that Planned Parenthood is the best thing women have to protect their freedom. That is YOUR belief and part of YOUR religion. That religion is Hedonism; however, the STATE shouldn't be paying for it.
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Since you bring up climate change and your religion, do I take it you are doing everything in your power to minimize your carbon footprint and take care of the planet your god gave you stewardship of (according to the Christian religion)?
 
Scrabaholic said:
Whether or not it's ok outside of marriage is an opinion. Sex ed should teach FACTS, not opinions.






100% The woman does not wish to be pregnant. Her reason is irrelevant.
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So the woman shouldn't play at being a whore. We are not speaking of rape. We are speaking of choice, and if anyone chooses to have sex, one should chose to accept the consequences that go along with it and not live like some Canaanite sacrificing the innocent to suit one's appetite for temporal hedonistic pleasures.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
Since you bring up climate change and your religion, do I take it you are doing everything in your power to minimize your carbon footprint and take care of the planet your god gave you stewardship of (according to the Christian religion)?
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I hang my laundry outside to dry and I turn off lights in rooms no one is in, and I don't smoke. I was taught that such was wasteful and bad 60 years ago. What have you been doing all this time.
 
LittleNipper said:
So do Christian organizations without offering abortion at all.
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Do you know what health care services PP provides? There's quite a list.

What Christian organizations provide the same services as PP? Where does their funding come from?
 
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