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FutureIncoming said:

YOUR MERE CLAIM IS STILL WORTHLESS WITHOUT EVIDENCE. I've seen you do much better than that. Why are you not doing that now?

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And the circus of your posts continues!!! LMAO!

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AGENT J said:

And the circus of your posts continues!!! LMAO!

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Can you contribute to the thread?

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Scrabaholic said:

Please cite your source.

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Scraba...When I see posts like the one you just asked for a citation or source - it causes one to pause and ask the question, WTF?

The posting style seems soooo familiar.

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Ovid said:

Rubbish, show me scientific evidence that there's anything wrong with bigotry, or that any "right" not to be forced to give birth even exists outside of your idealistic imagination.

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The only evidence that is indisputable is the stupidity of asking for scientific evidence connected to bigotry. You have supplied that.

And as far as empirical science is concerned, the only "right" that exists in the animal kingdom is power and might.

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For people who can only function at that level. Thankfully civilized society has risen above that. You should try to raise too.

So as long as we have the power and might to force who ever we damn well want to give birth, at the expense of their own life or not, we have the right and we'll enforce it by gunpoint if we get a chance to your chagrin. So keep praying for God to smite us, and see how much good it does you.

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Lets do it in a more realistic way. You pray and see how much that will help to implement the moronic crap you are advocating.

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AGENT J said:

And the circus of your posts continues!!! LMAO!

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I guess that reply means you are unable to do what I requested. And I had such hopes you might actually have found a specific flaw to point out, which could allow me to improve the argument in the Original Post of this Thread. Tsk, tsk.

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countryboy said:

EVERY LIFE MATTERS

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REALLY? Including cholera, syphilis, gonorrhea, bubonic plague and other bacteria? Including fleas, cockroaches, tsetse flies, ticks, bedbugs, and more? Including tapeworms, guinea worms, ringworms, pinworms, and more? Including poison ivy, poison oak, toadstools, and more? Perhaps you meant to say "every human life matters"? But hydatidiform moles count as both "human life" AND "trophoblastic disease". Plus, what about any friendly aliens we might someday encounter --do their lives matter, or are you spouting Stupid Prejudice?

IN GENERAL, abortion opponents don't actually know what they are talking about. PERSONS MATTER TO PERSONS. Non-persons, like unborn humans, are relatively insignificant to persons.

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FutureIncoming said:

Many abortion opponents blather about killing persons (like old folks) as an alternative to abortion, which involves killing unborn human mere-animal entities. I don't know why they think such an alternative makes sense (perhaps the abortion opponents should volunteer as the persons to be killed?). Anyway, the following argument depends on the Objectively Measurable Fact that unborn humans are, provably, mere-animal entities.

[FONT=&] We know that predators exist by killing other organisms; [/FONT]the killing they do is necessary for the health of ANY ecosystem[FONT=&]. So, imagine that we humans were NOT at the top of the food pyramid, that there were predators accustomed to hunting us down and eating us. Actually, we know that was exactly the Natural situation back in Africa before hominins or pre-hominins invented the first "distance" weapon (see "[/FONT]The Calvin Throwing Hypothesis[FONT=&]").[/FONT]

[FONT=&]Since those long-ago days, the predators were mostly killed, with many going extinct (like giant cave bears) and others becoming seriously endangered (tigers), as our use of distance weapons improved. In one sense, the human species is in the same situation as wild deer in a forest that has no wolves --massive overpopulation results, and [/FONT]the whole ecosystem suffers[FONT=&]. THAT'S why natural predation is necessary![/FONT]

[FONT=&]Since humans have become the top predators on the planet, we can and do replace wolves with respect to deer. And we have wars, describe-able as humans basically preying on other humans. That sort-of worked to keep human population from exploding, until the A-bomb was invented. Then large-scale war became too dangerous, with the result that we have since only had "brush fire" wars, relatively trivial with respect to population growth.[/FONT]

[FONT=&]Do you see the Modern Conundrum? The global ecosystem NEEDS fewer humans in the world, in order to stabilize, but humans claim to have "right to life" --and the more they get-along with each other, the more such a claim is actualized (see #103[/FONT][FONT=&]) --while population continues to skyrocket, [/FONT]damaging the ecosystem even more[FONT=&]![/FONT]

[FONT=&]Well, how can the Conundrum be resolved? FIRST, by recognizing that we are part of Nature. SECOND, by acknowledging that [/FONT]we need personal interactions with the natural ecology for our own psychological health[FONT=&]. THIRD, by recognizing that [/FONT]all species need to avoid having excessive numbers, if an ecosystem is to remain stable. FOURTH, by accepting the fact that there is no such thing as a "right to breed" (it is actually a privilege that must be earned, and all through Nature, when it is not earned, offspring die). FIFTH, by acknowledging that we are the top predators on Earth. SIXTH, by accepting that that position gives us Responsibilities, and among those responsibilities is the importance of recognizing that the only predators that can "take us on" are ourselves. SEVENTH, by acknowledging the facts that unborn humans are mere-animal entities, not persons with right-to-life. EIGHTH, by noticing that abortion qualifies as a legitimate way that humans can prey on humans, since it is about persons versus animals, instead of, as in war, persons versus persons.

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im all for legal abortion and vew a fetus as a hoomosapin animal rathe rhten a perosn

but im not going to agree with this

there is no such thing as a "right to breed" (it is actually a privilege that must be earned

dont feel like letting you or any one else determine that for others

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Ovid said:

So as long as we have the power and might to ...

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I see you have been "Temp Suspended", possibly for something like "hate speech". Anyway, when the suspension ends, it might be interesting to see your reply to this message.

Has anyone ever explained to you the fundamental flaw in taking a "might makes right" stance? Basically, if you think you are free to do anything you have the might to do, well, that just means someone else who just happens to have the might to arbitrarily kill you should be, consistent with your stance, free to do that thing. That is, why should **only**you** have the freedom to do anything you have the might to do? The net result is, it is impossible for civilization to exist when everyone takes a "might makes right" stance. It can only work when just about everyone steps back from claiming an arbitrary right-of-might to kill --but stepping back essentially **leads** to the concept of "right to life". (The ones who don't step back tend to be called "criminals", and tend to be severely punished for what they do on-account-of not stepping-back.)

IN MORE DETAIL, it can only work when those who understand concepts such as "might makes right" step back from fully embracing it. And only people have that degree of understanding, which is why "right to life" is associated with personhood. Ordinary animals still very-often act in accordance with might-makes-right --and because of that, we can respond in kind (which is why most animals that have tended to kill humans have been either made extinct or been brought near the brink of extinction).

Well, unborn humans also happen to be mere animals that don't have any degree of understanding anything, and don't have personhood --they are fully equivalent to biological robots acting out the instructions built into their DNA. Their actions include such things as dumping toxic biowastes into the bodies of their hostesses --how would YOU like to be on the receiving end of a conduit carrying someone's effluent from their bowel to your bloodstream? We possibly could say that the Might Of Nature, otherwise known as Natural Mindless Biology, devised mammalian reproduction to work that way --but we also can say that the Might Of Humans includes the power to refuse to submit to Natural Mindless Biology. For example, Natural Mindless Biology tends to cause hearts to fail. Humans have devised heart-transplant technology, and are nearing the perfecting of totally artificial hearts. There are plenty other examples --we invented immunization technology in our refusal to submit to the Natural Mindless Biology of diseases. We are even researching ways to refuse to submit to the Natural Mindless Biology of old age.

Abortion is just another way humans can choose to refuse to submit to Natural Mindless Biology. We don't **have** to reproduce just because Natural Mindless Biology often makes it easy to do!

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blarg said:

im not going to agree with this

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there is no such thing as a "right to breed" (it is actually a privilege that must be earned

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blarg said:

dont feel like letting you or any one else determine that for others

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I'M NOT ONE WHO DECIDES ANY SUCH THING. I was merely reporting a Fact of Nature. All through Nature, when parents fail to properly provide for their offspring, the offspring DIE. If there was actually such a thing as a "right to breed" those deaths would not happen!

For humans to claim they have a right to breed is nothing more than egotistical conceit. About 1/10 of all human reproductive-age couples are Naturally infertile (maybe 1/7 of all couples) --so if any of those humans think they have a right to breed, they are very often sorely disappointed. SO: Note that if they didn't express the egotistical conceit, and accepted Natural Fact, they would NOT be so sorely disappointed...(disappointed, yes, but not so sorely disappointed! --from making an irrational claim and getting slapped in the face with Truth).

So I wrote the thing you don't want to agree with simply because it is Natural Fact. Your disagreement doesn't influence Natural Fact by one whit.

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FutureIncoming said:

I'M NOT ONE WHO DECIDES ANY SUCH THING. I was merely reporting a Fact of Nature. All through Nature, when parents fail to properly provide for their offspring, the offspring DIE. If there was actually such a thing as a "right to breed" those deaths would not happen!

For humans to claim they have a right to breed is nothing more than egotistical conceit. About 1/10 of all human reproductive-age couples are Naturally infertile (maybe 1/7 of all couples) --so if any of those humans think they have a right to breed, they are very often sorely disappointed. SO: Note that if they didn't express the egotistical conceit, and accepted Natural Fact, they would NOT be so sorely disappointed...(disappointed, yes, but not so sorely disappointed! --from making an irrational claim and getting slapped in the face with Truth).

So I wrote the thing you don't want to agree with simply because it is Natural Fact. Your disagreement doesn't influence Natural Fact by one whit.

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thats fine so long as your not proposing people stop other people from having kids

and not banning any attempts at getting around infertility

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blarg said:

thats fine so long as your not proposing people stop other people from having kids and not banning any attempts at getting around infertility

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OKAY, so long as you are not suggesting it is fine for everyone to have all the offspring they want, regardless of the consequences to others. For example, if you have to steal to get food for your children, why did you have those children in the first place? Are you suggesting everyone should behave like the Octomom, and have all the kids they want at the State's expense (the Octomom had 6 kids and was on Welfare when she suddenly had 8 more kids)?

GENERALLY, our culture expects folks to pay for the things they want. When I previously stated that reproduction is a privilege that must be earned, THAT was what I was talking about. Our culture does frown on Folks A expecting Others B to pay for what Folks A want!

--WHICH BRINGS US RIGHT BACK TO THE OVERALL ABORTION DEBATE, because abortion opponents A want pregnant women B to have kids, and pay for them, even though it is abortion opponents A who want those kids born! Hypocrites!

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GEIxBattleRifle said:

If we're strictly talking about reducing the human population, there are a few ways to do it.

1. Have more abortions.

2. Start eliminating those who have advance alzheimers and other severe things like anencephaly.

3. Have reproduction policies like China does. "One child" policy for example.

4. Start up a genocide. You know some history examples.

5. Create a very deadly virus like the T--Virus or the rage virus (Resident Evil and 28 days later series.) and make a safe haven for a few million/billon humans or so. After awhile, create a cure that wipes out those infected.

6. More advanced birth control.

7. Sterilize people who are in no position to raise offspring.

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Your list is a horror to read, but thank you for summarizing the various ways to control/reduce population.

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nota bene said:

Your list is a horror to read, but thank you for summarizing the various ways to control/reduce population.

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He left out World War Three, which is looking more and more likely as population pressure will heat up international tensions for ever-more-scarce resources. Trump's election hasn't helped in the slightest, to stave off WW3.

As it happens, China has formally ended the one-child policy. I personally suspect it might be because India's population is now within a few tens of millions of being the same as China's --and India and China are traditional enemies....

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nota bene said:

Your list is a horror to read, but thank you for summarizing the various ways to control/reduce population.

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There is definitely some horror in what I listed. Some of what I listed would be very risky to do like Number 5 for example. A few wrong moves and there go's the entire human population.

And no problem. JoG asked how we could go about lower the human population and I layed out some brutal options.

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FutureIncoming said:

I guess that reply means you are unable to do what I requested. And I had such hopes you might actually have found a specific flaw to point out, which could allow me to improve the argument in the Original Post of this Thread. Tsk, tsk.

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opcorn2:

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GEIxBattleRifle said:

Can you contribute to the thread?

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I did already thanks but I love the butt hurt you have over me its cute

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AGENT J said:

As a pro-choice what I just read above is an argument based on pure retardation and no real logic or anything to do with abortion really. lol

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AGENT J said:

And the circus of your posts continues!!! LMAO!

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AGENT J said:

LMAO and it's followed with another retarded post above.

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AGENT J said:

opcorn2:

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AGENT J said:

I did already thanks but I love the butt hurt you have over me its cute

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Your credibility will go up if you stop trolling the thread and actually address the OP in a meaningful way instead of insulting his posts with no logical reasoning or arguments behind it.

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GEIxBattleRifle said:

Your credibility will go up if you stop trolling the thread and actually address the OP in a meaningful way instead of insulting his posts with no logical reasoning or arguments behind it.

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LMAO I love the butthurt displayed in your posts, makes my day.
I am not the topic and I already gave the original post all the response it deserves since it was one of the most retarded claims ever made under the the false disguise of a legit, logical and factual argument.

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AGENT J said:

the original post ... it was one of the most retarded claims ever made under the the false disguise of a legit, logical and factual argument.

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SO YOU SAY. But you haven't supported that claim with the slightest bit of evidence. Why should anyone believe your mere say-so???

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FutureIncoming said:

SO YOU SAY. But you haven't supported that claim with the slightest bit of evidence. Why should anyone believe your mere say-so???

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Yes I say, along with others in this thread that also say so LMAO, thats all that is needed.

"YOU" believing facts, logic or honesty is meaningless to me, you are free to believe what ever you want. Ill be sticking with logic, facts and honesty like others in the thread. I stand by my claim and Im very confident in it LMAO As a pro-choicer the false argument in the OP is pure retardation of the topic, it contains no sound, reasonable, or reality based logic nor anything to do with abortion really. This stance or mine and others will not change because theirs nothing in the OP or in the thread that has been posted to give any validity to the op or reason to take it seriously by anybody honest, topically educated and objective. Its complete intellectual dishonest and absurd tripe, its nonsensical babble at best. It ranks up there with 9/11 and birther conspiracy theories. It's funny, but worthless and meaningless to any honest abortion conversation.

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AGENT J said:

Yes I say, along with others in this thread that also say so LMAO, thats all that is needed.

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OPINION. Therefore you are wrong. Nobody has to agree with you, just because you spout an unsupported opinion. And for those that do agree without providing specific data supporting their opinions, those opinions are just as Objectively worthless as yours.

AGENT J said:

"YOU" believing facts, logic or honesty is meaningless to me,

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ARE YOU SAYING YOUR OPINION IS SUPERIOR TO FACTS, LOGIC, OR HONESTY? HAW! HAW!! HAW!!!

AGENT J said:

you are free to believe what ever you want.

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TRUE, AND THE SAME FOR YOU. But if either of us wants others to agree with what we believe, THAT is where genuine facts, logic, and honesty matter. Not mere claims.

AGENT J said:

Ill be sticking with logic, facts and honesty

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SO YOU SAY. But so far you have not provided any actual proven facts, or logic based on such facts (with regard to the Original Post of this Thread), and so any claim of having been honest about the other two things is actually a Stupid Lie.

AGENT J said:

like others in the thread.

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IRRELEVANT, so long as they also have failed to support their claims with actual data.

AGENT J said:

I stand by my claim and Im very confident in it LMAO

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OPINION, AGAIN. And it will remain nothing more than Objectively worthless opinion until you support it with verifiable facts.

AGENT J said:

As a pro-choicer

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YES, I KNOW THAT. But in this case it doesn't matter in the slightest. You are not behaving any better than JayDubya, notorious for making claims unsupported by even the slightest bit of Objectively Verifiable evidence.

AGENT J said:

the false argument in the OP is pure retardation of the topic,

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GENERIC DENUNCIATION. No specifics provided. Why should anyone believe you? IF THERE IS A FLAW, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DESCRIBE IT IN DETAIL.

AGENT J said:

it contains no sound, reasonable, or reality based logic

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OPINION, still not supported by the slightest hint of Objectively Verifiable data.

AGENT J said:

nor anything to do with abortion really.

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A PROVABLY FALSE STATEMENT. The post presents background information about ecosystems, predators, and prey, that is extremely relevant to its conclusion --which describes abortion as "a legitimate way humans can prey on humans" **because** abortion is about "persons versus animals, instead of, as in war, persons versus persons."

AGENT J said:

This stance or mine and others will not change

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NOT IMPORTANT FOR ME TO CHANGE YOUR STANCE. What is important is that you shouldn't make claims you can't support with Objectively Valid data!

AGENT J said:

because theirs nothing in the OP or in the thread that has been posted to give any validity to the op

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OPINION, AGAIN (at least with respect to the OP). Try This Logic: Consider each sentence in the OP. Is it true or false? If any single sentence is false, you should be able to offer evidence showing how it is false. If all the statements are true, then how can the conclusion of the post, derived from all-true-statements, be nonsense? THAT is something you ought to be able to explain in detail, too!
WITH RESPECT TO OTHER POSTS IN THIS THREAD, none has bothered to point out any **specific** flaws in the OP. On what basis should the OP be automatically assumed invalid, if no one has pointed out any specific flaws?

AGENT J said:

or reason to take it seriously by anybody honest, topically educated and objective.

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SEE ABOVE. On what basis should the OP be automatically assumed invalid, if no one has pointed out any specific flaws?

AGENT J said:

Its complete intellectual dishonest and absurd tripe,

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OPINION, AGAIN, and still unsupported by any Objectively Valid data.

AGENT J said:

its nonsensical babble at best.

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OPINION, AGAIN, and still unsupported by any Objectively Valid data.

AGENT J said:

It ranks up there with 9/11 and birther conspiracy theories.

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OPINION, AGAIN, and still unsupported by any Objectively Valid data.

AGENT J said:

It's funny, but worthless and meaningless to any honest abortion conversation.

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OPINION, AGAIN, and still unsupported by any Objectively Valid data.

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FutureIncoming said:

OPINION. Therefore you are wrong. Nobody has to agree with you, just because you spout an unsupported opinion. And for those that do agree without providing specific data supporting their opinions, those opinions are just as Objectively worthless as yours.


ARE YOU SAYING YOUR OPINION IS SUPERIOR TO FACTS, LOGIC, OR HONESTY? HAW! HAW!! HAW!!!


TRUE, AND THE SAME FOR YOU. But if either of us wants others to agree with what we believe, THAT is where genuine facts, logic, and honesty matter. Not mere claims.


SO YOU SAY. But so far you have not provided any actual proven facts, or logic based on such facts (with regard to the Original Post of this Thread), and so any claim of having been honest about the other two things is actually a Stupid Lie.


IRRELEVANT, so long as they also have failed to support their claims with actual data.


OPINION, AGAIN. And it will remain nothing more than Objectively worthless opinion until you support it with verifiable facts.


YES, I KNOW THAT. But in this case it doesn't matter in the slightest. You are not behaving any better than JayDubya, notorious for making claims unsupported by even the slightest bit of Objectively Verifiable evidence.


GENERIC DENUNCIATION. No specifics provided. Why should anyone believe you? IF THERE IS A FLAW, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DESCRIBE IT IN DETAIL.


OPINION, still not supported by the slightest hint of Objectively Verifiable data.


A PROVABLY FALSE STATEMENT. The post presents background information about ecosystems, predators, and prey, that is extremely relevant to its conclusion --which describes abortion as "a legitimate way humans can prey on humans" **because** abortion is about "persons versus animals, instead of, as in war, persons versus persons."


NOT IMPORTANT FOR ME TO CHANGE YOUR STANCE. What is important is that you shouldn't make claims you can't support with Objectively Valid data!


OPINION, AGAIN (at least with respect to the OP). Try This Logic: Consider each sentence in the OP. Is it true or false? If any single sentence is false, you should be able to offer evidence showing how it is false. If all the statements are true, then how can the conclusion of the post, derived from all-true-statements, be nonsense? THAT is something you ought to be able to explain in detail, too!
WITH RESPECT TO OTHER POSTS IN THIS THREAD, none has bothered to point out any **specific** flaws in the OP. On what basis should the OP be automatically assumed invalid, if no one has pointed out any specific flaws?


SEE ABOVE. On what basis should the OP be automatically assumed invalid, if no one has pointed out any specific flaws?


OPINION, AGAIN, and still unsupported by any Objectively Valid data.


OPINION, AGAIN, and still unsupported by any Objectively Valid data.


OPINION, AGAIN, and still unsupported by any Objectively Valid data.


OPINION, AGAIN, and still unsupported by any Objectively Valid data.

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LMAO do you think your post or you posting lies would change any facts or reality one bit? good job wasting your time when I told you all that needs said
I repeat, I say, along with others in this thread that also say so thats all that is needed.

"YOU" believing facts, logic or honesty is meaningless to me, you are free to believe what ever you want. Ill be sticking with logic, facts and honesty like others in the thread. I stand by my claim and Im very confident in it LMAO As a pro-choicer the false argument in the OP is pure retardation of the topic, it contains no sound, reasonable, or reality based logic nor anything to do with abortion really. This stance of mine and others will not change because theirs nothing in the OP or in the thread that has been posted to give any validity to the op or reason to take it seriously by anybody honest, topically educated and objective. Its complete intellectual dishonest and absurd tripe, its nonsensical babble at best. It ranks up there with 9/11 and birther conspiracy theories. It's funny, but worthless and meaningless to any honest abortion conversation.

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AGENT J said:

LMAO do you think your post or you posting lies would change any facts or reality one bit?

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NOT WHAT I DID, OR EVEN TRIED TO DO. And once again your mere claim (regarding posting lies), is worthless without supporting evidence!

AGENT J said:

good job wasting your time

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IT IS NOT A WASTE OF TIME TO TRY TO BETTER-EDUCATE FOLKS. It only becomes a waste of time after they exhibit refusal to become better-educated.

AGENT J said:

when I told you all that needs said

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ANOTHER UNSUPPORTED CLAIM, worthless without evidence. Do you or do you not want others to believe your claims? IF YOU DO want others to believe what you say, On What Basis is "what you say" so inherently believable that no evidence supporting what you say needs to be provided?

AGENT J said:

I repeat, I say, along with others in this thread that also say so thats all that is needed.

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FOR YOURSELF, TRUE. Everyone is entitled to Objectively Worthless Opinions. However, if you want your opinions to influence others, then you need to support them with Objectively Valid data. And the more you blather about not needing to support your blather, the more your blather becomes indistinguishable from "a waste of time" for everyone else. That is, the more you and others blather unsupported claims, the more your participation in this Forum is useless to anyone but your egotistical selves.

I'm snipping a bunch of blather that you simply repeated. My response to it doesn't need to change, so see #72 for the details of how you have blathered Objectively-Worthless/unsupported opinions, plus at least one provably-false statement.

So far, it appears that all you are doing is proving to everyone else that you are UNABLE to point out, in detail, the slightest actual flaw in the OP. HAW! HAW!! HAW!!!

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FutureIncoming said:

NOT WHAT I DID, OR EVEN TRIED TO DO. And once again your mere claim (regarding posting lies), is worthless without supporting evidence!


IT IS NOT A WASTE OF TIME TO TRY TO BETTER-EDUCATE FOLKS. It only becomes a waste of time after they exhibit refusal to become better-educated.


ANOTHER UNSUPPORTED CLAIM, worthless without evidence. Do you or do you not want others to believe your claims? IF YOU DO want others to believe what you say, On What Basis is "what you say" so inherently believable that no evidence supporting what you say needs to be provided?


FOR YOURSELF, TRUE. Everyone is entitled to Objectively Worthless Opinions. However, if you want your opinions to influence others, then you need to support them with Objectively Valid data. And the more you blather about not needing to support your blather, the more your blather becomes indistinguishable from "a waste of time" for everyone else. That is, the more you and others blather unsupported claims, the more your participation in this Forum is useless to anyone but your egotistical selves.

I'm snipping a bunch of blather that you simply repeated. My response to it doesn't need to change, so see #72 for the details of how you have blathered Objectively-Worthless/unsupported opinions, plus at least one provably-false statement.

So far, it appears that all you are doing is proving to everyone else that you are UNABLE to point out, in detail, the slightest actual flaw in the OP. HAW! HAW!! HAW!!!

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LMAO Post 71 still stands, this is awesome! a melt down and rant post like the last two you posted won't make it change. There will have to be some type of honest, accurate, accurate and logical present to support the OP before anything will change. When you can do so let us know thanks!