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Aborting a dead fetus

Bark

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There is a family member of an ex-wife of mine who carried a dead fetus to term. Her family, and her up until that point, were so anti-abortion that they made her carry to term. People walked up to her and used to touch her belly. It got so bad she stopped leaving the house at all.

Thoughts?
 
Bark said:
There is a family member of an ex-wife of mine who carried a dead fetus to term. Her family, and her up until that point, were so anti-abortion that they made her carry to term. People walked up to her and used to touch her belly. It got so bad she stopped leaving the house at all.

Thoughts?
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I'm guessing this was a minor girl since you say her family "made her carry to term"? The baby is already dead and aborting a dead fetus isn't taking a human life at all. I would call that child abuse if they forced her to carry a dead baby.
 
Josie said:
I'm guessing this was a minor girl since you say her family "made her carry to term"? The baby is already dead and aborting a dead fetus isn't taking a human life at all. I would call that child abuse if they forced her to carry a dead baby.
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No actually she was over 18 and married. Rather than a contract or intimidation, the "knowledge" that abortion is murder was the factor to make her carry. I was in on some of the arguments. There was no arguing. It was God's will.

And seeing as how she was not a minor, no child abuse, but interesting dilemma. Back then she could have gone down the street to take care of it. It's not murder. Today she would have 2 choices of providers in the WHOLE state of Texas. She comes from a family of means, but I have to imagine there are other people in her situation that would prefer to abort and don't have the means to make the trip, wait for the waiting period to pass, then have the operation.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
My thoughts? Ewwww.....
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Ewww doesn't describe the actual scene. I don't know how to say what I felt back then. But this is ideology in the hands of people who make no exceptions. I'm sure she still supports anti-abortion laws and wants to overturn roe v wade.
 
Bark said:
There is a family member of an ex-wife of mine who carried a dead fetus to term. Her family, and her up until that point, were so anti-abortion that they made her carry to term. People walked up to her and used to touch her belly. It got so bad she stopped leaving the house at all.

Thoughts?
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I would have thought there would have been a spontaneous abortion.
 
The death of the kid is tragic, but removal of a dead unborn human is not a killing act so there is no reason to object.

That said, it was her call to wait. :shrug:
 
joG said:
I would have thought there would have been a spontaneous abortion.
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Would have been nice, but medicine can throw curves. I'm not totally sure how it all worked. I don't really want to know either.
 
JayDubya said:
The death of the kid is tragic, but removal of a dead unborn human is not a killing act so there is no reason to object.

That said, it was her call to wait. :shrug:
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But I bring this up because of a point above. I'll repost it

"Back then she could have gone down the street to take care of it. It's not murder. Today she would have 2 choices of providers in the WHOLE state of Texas. She comes from a family of means, but I have to imagine there are other people in her situation that would prefer to abort and don't have the means to make the trip, wait for the waiting period to pass, then have the operation."

The laws that have been passed recently are insane. She would now have to make a trip to one of two providers in Texas. Most were shut down because their hallways were not 8 feet wide. Wait for three days, either in a hotel, or remake the trip. Have an ultrasound while the doctor describes the image. She will be told she can plug her ears and hum. She will be told abortion leads to cancer. There is no medical evidence of that and the doctor would likely say so.

It was her choice and I hated it. I'm speaking for those who can't make the choice they want to because of access not ideology.

And remember under the desired laws I'm not sure she would be able to make that choice. Despite the admission of death. The operation of abortion is trying to be banned. Not the mitigating circumstance. Pro lifers do not say abortion is sometimes murder. They are emphatic that abortion IS murder.
 
Bark said:
There is a family member of an ex-wife of mine who carried a dead fetus to term. Her family, and her up until that point, were so anti-abortion that they made her carry to term. People walked up to her and used to touch her belly. It got so bad she stopped leaving the house at all.

Thoughts?
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That's messed up.
 
TheGoverness said:
That's messed up.
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I'm not a fan of the way it played out, but then again, it showed some real grit. She was sick and cried all the time for the couple of months, but she endured it. In a sick way that is admirable.
 
Bark said:
No actually she was over 18 and married. Rather than a contract or intimidation, the "knowledge" that abortion is murder was the factor to make her carry. I was in on some of the arguments. There was no arguing. It was God's will.

And seeing as how she was not a minor, no child abuse, but interesting dilemma. Back then she could have gone down the street to take care of it. It's not murder. Today she would have 2 choices of providers in the WHOLE state of Texas. She comes from a family of means, but I have to imagine there are other people in her situation that would prefer to abort and don't have the means to make the trip, wait for the waiting period to pass, then have the operation.
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Welp, that settles it. If it was god's will, then what more needs to be said? Apparently free will didn't work with her, she just followed orders. Couldn't stand up for herself.
 
Removable Mind said:
Welp, that settles it. If it was god's will, then what more needs to be said? Apparently free will didn't work with her, she just followed orders. Couldn't stand up for herself.
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I think that is a little harsh. Look at it from the other side. She believed in something so much she endured it. The men who were beat by police during the civil rights era were "following orders" in a sense. They endured for their belief. They could have stood up for THEMSELVES and just gone home.
 
Bark said:
There is a family member of an ex-wife of mine who carried a dead fetus to term. Her family, and her up until that point, were so anti-abortion that they made her carry to term. People walked up to her and used to touch her belly. It got so bad she stopped leaving the house at all.

Thoughts?
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Once the child has died, there is no longer a "to term", so I'm confused by this... I have a good friend who's child died in the womb and they induced labor almost as soon as they knew about it for the health of his wife (it's not good to have a dead body in you), so this idea of carrying a dead child does not make any sense..
 
faithful_servant said:
Once the child has died, there is no longer a "to term", so I'm confused by this... I have a good friend who's child died in the womb and they induced labor almost as soon as they knew about it for the health of his wife (it's not good to have a dead body in you), so this idea of carrying a dead child does not make any sense..
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Correct! It don't make sense. Funny how often that happens in life. Look at our new president.
 
Bark said:
But I bring this up because of a point above. I'll repost it

"Back then she could have gone down the street to take care of it. It's not murder. Today she would have 2 choices of providers in the WHOLE state of Texas. She comes from a family of means, but I have to imagine there are other people in her situation that would prefer to abort and don't have the means to make the trip, wait for the waiting period to pass, then have the operation."

The laws that have been passed recently are insane. She would now have to make a trip to one of two providers in Texas. Most were shut down because their hallways were not 8 feet wide. Wait for three days, either in a hotel, or remake the trip. Have an ultrasound while the doctor describes the image. She will be told she can plug her ears and hum. She will be told abortion leads to cancer. There is no medical evidence of that and the doctor would likely say so.

It was her choice and I hated it. I'm speaking for those who can't make the choice they want to because of access not ideology.

And remember under the desired laws I'm not sure she would be able to make that choice. Despite the admission of death. The operation of abortion is trying to be banned. Not the mitigating circumstance. Pro lifers do not say abortion is sometimes murder. They are emphatic that abortion IS murder.
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Look I'm about as emphatically anti-abortion as they come and I don't see any basis for any problem here.

I am, however, perfectly fine with this being a very rarely employed procedure with very few practitioners and only used in extreme circumstances like life-saving medical triage or this, stillbirth, where the kid is already dead anyway. I appreciate the large travel time secondary to all these clinic closures because it does have a discouraging effect and that has saved lives.
 
Bark said:
I'm not a fan of the way it played out, but then again, it showed some real grit. She was sick and cried all the time for the couple of months, but she endured it. In a sick way that is admirable.
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That's still the oddest thing I've ever heard. It doesn't even make sense from a pro-life standpoint.

If the baby is dead, then what reason is there to carry it to term?
 
Bark said:
There is a family member of an ex-wife of mine who carried a dead fetus to term. Her family, and her up until that point, were so anti-abortion that they made her carry to term. People walked up to her and used to touch her belly. It got so bad she stopped leaving the house at all.

Thoughts?
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I don't believe a friggin word of it. If the child was dead, it posed a serious health hazard to the mother.

https://www.reference.com/health/happens-dead-fetus-left-inside-mother-s-womb-484c26c44318a437
 
TheGoverness said:
That's still the oddest thing I've ever heard. It doesn't even make sense from a pro-life standpoint.

If the baby is dead, then what reason is there to carry it to term?
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You smell the BS here?
 
TheGoverness said:
That's still the oddest thing I've ever heard. It doesn't even make sense from a pro-life standpoint.

If the baby is dead, then what reason is there to carry it to term?
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That's a good point - you can't carry to term a dead kid as their age naturally stopped when they died.

The only way this makes sense – and I say that loosely – is if these are folk who generally oppose any intervention in this process
for purely denomination-exclusive faith-based reasons.

Broadly speaking the pro-life community – of which at least a simple majority is religious – would generally have no objection to removing this corpse, respectfully, for proper burial or cremation.
 
JayDubya said:
Look I'm about as emphatically anti-abortion as they come and I don't see any basis for any problem here.

I am, however, perfectly fine with this being a very rarely employed procedure with very few practitioners and only used in extreme circumstances like life-saving medical triage or this, stillbirth, where the kid is already dead anyway. I appreciate the large travel time secondary to all these clinic closures because it does have a discouraging effect and that has saved lives.
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If everyone was as logical as you in the pro life crowd, maybe compromises could be made.
 
TheGoverness said:
That's still the oddest thing I've ever heard. It doesn't even make sense from a pro-life standpoint.

If the baby is dead, then what reason is there to carry it to term?
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One's convictions.
 
WCH said:
You smell the BS here?
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It does seem suspect. Given that I've had no prior interactions with the OP, some benefit of the doubt is in order.
 
 
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