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Aborting a dead fetus

JayDubya said:
It does seem suspect. Given that I've had no prior interactions with the OP, some benefit of the doubt is in order.
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Hi, thank you. I began posting yesterday.
 
Removable Mind said:
Hey, this is a dream come true story for you, joG.
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Why? More a curiosity. Do you know why there wouldn’t have been a spontaneous abortion and baring that, why the corps didn't decompose.
 
Bark said:
If everyone was as logical as you in the pro life crowd, maybe compromises could be made.
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I am generally quite uncompromising when it comes to this topic but the reason for that is that I do not compromise on natural human rights.

Natural rights however are for the living. The dead, while they should be handled respectfully, have no rights to violate and certainly not a right that protect them against being killed, seeing as they are already dead.
 
JayDubya said:
That's a good point - you can't carry to term a dead kid as their age naturally stopped when they died.

The only way this makes sense – and I say that loosely – is if these are folk who generally oppose any intervention in this process
for purely denomination-exclusive faith-based reasons.

Broadly speaking the pro-life community – of which at least a simple majority is religious – would generally have no objection to removing this corpse, respectfully, for proper burial or cremation.
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It was, "purely denomination-exclusive faith-based reasons"
 
joG said:
Why? More a curiosity. Do you know why there wouldn’t have been a spontaneous abortion and baring that, why the corps didn't decompose.
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Didn't think that would matter to you. Just don't abort!, is your motto. Forget the circumstances.
 
Bark said:
It was, "purely denomination-exclusive faith-based reasons"
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All I can say is that an adult woman does of course choose her faith.

I respect that there is such a thing as peer pressure but even still, the above remains true.
 
Removable Mind said:
Sounds just like a Texas thing. Shameful, but when legislators owe their jobs to the ones who fill their election collections plates....things like this happen.
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It was an odd situation. Lots of state have similar limits.
 
Essentially while this story does not change my opinion at all about elective abortion it is a good reminder that laws need to be written carefully.

Part of the problem is linguistic; in an obvious effort to normalize the practice of elective abortion, even miscarriage or removal of a stillborn kid is still called "abortion" just different kinds. Like a miscarriage is sometimes called a "spontaneous abortion." Seems an obvious effort to muddy the waters.

So we have to be careful with what words we use obviously and be clear in our meaning. A miscarriage is a natural death. An emergency, medically-necessary abortion to save the mothers life (and the kid is dead either way) is medical triage.

What we're talking about in this thread is simply removal of a corpse.

Elective abortion however remains an unjustifiable killing act.
 
Removable Mind said:
Didn't think that would matter to you. Just don't abort!, is your motto. Forget the circumstances.
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Really. You don’t seem to pay much attention to things, when double bind has taken hold of you. ;)
 
joG said:
Why? More a curiosity. Do you know why there wouldn’t have been a spontaneous abortion and baring that, why the corps didn't decompose.
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The body has the ability to absorb an early term dead fetus but, something that far along would seem to cause problems for the mother.

The OP said people were touching her belly until they found out it was dead.
 
JayDubya said:
Essentially while this story does not change my opinion at all about elective abortion it is a good reminder that laws need to be written carefully.

Part of the problem is linguistic; in an obvious effort to normalize the practice of elective abortion, even miscarriage or removal of a stillborn kid is still called "abortion" just different kinds. Like a miscarriage is sometimes called a "spontaneous abortion." Seems an obvious effort to muddy the waters.

So we have to be careful with what words we use obviously and be clear in our meaning. A miscarriage is a natural death. An emergency, medically-necessary abortion to save the mothers life (and the kid is dead either way) is medical triage.

What we're talking about in this thread is simply removal of a corpse.

Elective abortion however remains an unjustifiable killing act.
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I had never really seen it that way. I always took the approach of inflexible ideology.
 
WCH said:
The body has the ability to absorb an early term dead fetus but, something that far along would seem to cause problems for the mother.

The OP said people were touching her belly until they found out it was dead.
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About 6ish months it died. Month 7ish she still did groceries. 8 and 9 only trips to the doctor. The strangers who walk up and say, "oh, congrats, is it a boy or a girl?" Those were the ones I was speaking of. A simple smile and polite dismissal is what she returned. She could only stand it a few weeks.
 
Bark said:
About 6ish months it died. Month 7ish she still did groceries. 8 and 9 only trips to the doctor. The strangers who walk up and say, "oh, congrats, is it a boy or a girl?" Those were the ones I was speaking of. A simple smile and polite dismissal is what she returned. She could only stand it a few weeks.
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I feel for the woman's plight but, the whole story, with it religious connotations, sounded activist-like. [like the article I posted]

If I'm out of line, I apologize.
 
WCH said:
I feel for the woman's plight but, the whole story, with it religious connotations, sounded activist-like. [like the article I posted]

If I'm out of line, I apologize.
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I don't care what it sounds like. You're not out of line. I don't believe things I hear. If it can't be true, at the least it can serve as a thought experiment. Medically it can happen. I have provided links to that effect. Legally it can happen. Others have provided links to that effect. The discussion is more important than the belief, right?
 
WCH said:
The body has the ability to absorb an early term dead fetus but, something that far along would seem to cause problems for the mother.

The OP said people were touching her belly until they found out it was dead.
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It seems an oddity. Maybe someone will explain it.
 
Bark said:
I don't care what it sounds like. You're not out of line. I don't believe things I hear. If it can't be true, at the least it can serve as a thought experiment. Medically it can happen. I have provided links to that effect. Legally it can happen. Others have provided links to that effect. The discussion is more important than the belief, right?
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If the discussion is elective abortion, only the potential victim is important. IMO Of course there are always differences of opinion.
 
WCH said:
If the discussion is elective abortion, only the potential victim is important. IMO Of course there are always differences of opinion.
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Alright. There are cases in which a doctor can plainly tell from prenatal care that a child will be born horribly deformed, massively retarded, physically crippled including organs and appendages. Some cases may live for 1 month after birth. Some may live 1 year. Some may live 50 years but never mature passed 2 mentally. In cases like these, just for the sake of argument, who is the victim?
 
Bark said:
No actually she was over 18 and married. Rather than a contract or intimidation, the "knowledge" that abortion is murder was the factor to make her carry.
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Well, that's just silly. Surely she knows that you can't murder someone who is already dead. Hopefully she'll gain a little common sense before she decides to conceive again.
 
Josie said:
Well, that's just silly. Surely she knows that you can't murder someone who is already dead. Hopefully she'll gain a little common sense before she decides to conceive again.
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I understand your logic, but it is her belief and her right to have it. I am pro choice but I understand the pro lifers. Belief and common sense aren't the same thing. To many people common sense will get you through life, but belief will get you through the pearly gates.
 
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