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Child Support

ajn678 said:
Why the hell are you telling this to me? I don't support getting rid of abortions. The man should simply be able to perform his own "abortion" by removing his responsibility of the child, just like a women does when she gets an abortion.
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Unfortunately, "It's not mine, sweetheart," doesn't hold water.
 
ajn678 said:
Why the hell are you telling this to me? I don't support getting rid of abortions. The man should simply be able to perform his own "abortion" by removing his responsibility of the child, just like a women does when she gets an abortion.
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It is not the same thing. If a woman chooses to get an abortion, then you don't then have a child in this world that needs the same support and care that all children need.

If some deadbeat says he does not want to be responsible for a child than he fathered, then that child still exists and still needs the same support and care that any other child needs.

If you don't want kids, wear a condom or get a vasectomy.
 
ajn678 said:
Why the hell are you telling this to me? I don't support getting rid of abortions. The man should simply be able to perform his own "abortion" by removing his responsibility of the child, just like a women does when she gets an abortion.
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Trump and especially Paul Ryan want to get rid of abortions. It's starting right now.

I understand your point. Currently it's state governments who force men to participate in child support BECAUSE their first obligation is to the taxpayer. That means the less they spend on social services related to unexpected and or unwanted children, the more they are protecting the interest of the taxpayers, and they have no other option but to go after men for co-support a kid that they co-conceived.

Therein lies the obstacle for men. Not women who won't abort.
 
Make a Baby, Pay for a Baby.
Good grief stop whining and pay the child support and while at it be a Parent.
Try to be a Good one.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
It is not the same thing. If a woman chooses to get an abortion, then you don't then have a child in this world that needs the same support and care that all children need.

If some deadbeat says he does not want to be responsible for a child than he fathered, then that child still exists and still needs the same support and care that any other child needs.

If you don't want kids, wear a condom or get a vasectomy.
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Something tells me you wouldn't tell a woman that if she wanted a baby, to get her tubes tied or get an implant.
 
ajn678 said:
Why the hell are you telling this to me? I don't support getting rid of abortions. The man should simply be able to perform his own "abortion" by removing his responsibility of the child, just like a women does when she gets an abortion.
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you had your chance to not get her pregnant. you refused to take that chance.
if she gets pregnant then you not society and not the state should be responsible.
 
ludin said:
you had your chance to not get her pregnant. you refused to take that chance.
if she gets pregnant then you not society and not the state should be responsible.
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If a women can remove her personal responsibility from taking care of a child because it violates her body autonomy, then it also violates a man's autonomy to force him to give support to something that wants nothing to do with.
 
ajn678 said:
Agreed. Anyone that supports the legalization of abortions and doesn't support this is a hypocrite.
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Legalization does not mean it is a morally acceptable alternative for all women.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Men need to be able to opt out of Child Support if they do not want to be a father (legally). The woman can use her legal Constitutiinal right to birth control if she does not want to or can not support the child on her own. (Of course there are some exceptions)

Discuss.
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Love these threads where boys whine about getting a girl preggers and how evil it is for them to financially support their offspring.
 
ajn678 said:
Something tells me you wouldn't tell a woman that if she wanted a baby, to get her tubes tied or get an implant.
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I would make sure that me and the women were on the same page.
 
ajn678 said:
If a women can remove her personal responsibility from taking care of a child because it violates her body autonomy, then it also violates a man's autonomy to force him to give support to something that wants nothing to do with.
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you had your chance to refuse you failed to do so.
not at all because society has determined that the father should support the child not the rest of
society that had nothing to do with the child's creation.

if you don't understand basic biology on how women get pregnant you should probably study really well.
 
Winchester said:
Love these threads where boys whine about getting a girl preggers and how evil it is for them to financially support their offspring.
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I cannot speak for others, but I haven't gotten anyone pregnant(that I know of) because I try to be responsible. So it has nothing to do with me not wanting to support some imaginary child.
 
ludin said:
you had your chance to refuse you failed to do so.
not at all because society has determined that the father should support the child not the rest of
society that had nothing to do with the child's creation.

if you don't understand basic biology on how women get pregnant you should probably study really well.
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So do you support abortions? And if you do, do you support federal funding of abortions?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The old "men should be able to opt out of child support" threads are basically nothing more than deadbeat dad detectors.
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FACTUALLY not true at all. Im a single dad, I gladly paid child support, fought for custody, eventually won primary, then won sole custody and raised my daughter by myself. She is an awesome kid, in college now and wants to be a lawyer/judge. I fully support this option if it is crafted right(it shouldnt be an open end blanket option) because currently its 100% lopsided and gives the woman all the options, power and control. It's a biased and unbalanced area of the law and theres no logic that says otherwise.
 
ajn678 said:
I cannot speak for others, but I haven't gotten anyone pregnant(that I know of) because I try to be responsible. So it has nothing to do with me not wanting to support some imaginary child.
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If you were really responsible, you would say that the only way you'd gotten anyone pregnant would be if your birth control failed.

That's not what you said. So WHAT you said? Means nothing.
 
MaggieD said:
If you were really responsible, you would say that the only way you'd gotten anyone pregnant would be if your birth control failed.

That's not what you said. So WHAT you said? Means nothing.
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Well yea, that's what I meant. I try the hardest that I can since nothing besides abstinence is 100%.
 
ajn678 said:
So do you support abortions? And if you do, do you support federal funding of abortions?
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nope I don't.
there are select cases in which it is medically necessary. that is about it.
 
ludin said:
nope I don't.
there are select cases in which it is medically necessary. that is about it.
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Well you are consistent at least.
 
ajn678 said:
Well yea, that's what I meant. I try the hardest that I can since nothing besides abstinence is 100%.
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sex has risk.

when you engage both men and women equally agree to share in the risk 100%.
that risk includes

pregnancy, STD's, emotional impacts etc ...

you don't want to accept the risk then I suggest being very picky who you sleep with
or not sleeping with someone.

once you do you sign the dotted line.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Men need to be able to opt out of Child Support if they do not want to be a father (legally). The woman can use her legal Constitutiinal right to birth control if she does not want to or can not support the child on her own. (Of course there are some exceptions)

Discuss.
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Men can use birth control regardless of what birth control a woman is using. In fact, it is preferable.

If there is an "opting out" it needs to be before intercourse.

CHild support is not about the father or mother. It is about the child.

DIscuss.
 
Winchester said:
Love these threads where boys whine about getting a girl preggers and how evil it is for them to financially support their offspring.
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Yup.

But I agree that historically the men have gotten bad deals with child support and custody. That should be the issue, not responsibility.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Why are you ignoring the option I provided?
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You can't provide an option. The woman is the only one who has the option to abort under law. She is the one who is pregnant. The man has the right to try to stop her in a court of law, and to try to get custody of the child if and when it comes to term. But he does not have the right to disregard his offspring just because " I don't wanna"!!
 
If the man wants to opt out, fine - as long as the woman and child do not go on public assistance. The minute she receives welfare for the child, the father should have to pay child support.
 
Scrabaholic said:
If the man wants to opt out, fine - as long as the woman and child do not go on public assistance. The minute she receives welfare for the child, the father should have to pay child support.
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I like that stipulation. The taxpayers were not part of their deal.

But I still think opting out should occure before intercourse.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The old "men should be able to opt out of child support" threads are basically nothing more than deadbeat dad detectors.
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Except I am a single father of two with fifty percent custody who pays child support since I make more tban my ex. Wanna take back the insult?
 
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