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Life of Mother, Rape

Josie said:
I don't know when -- I'm not a doctor. When the doctor comes in and says "Listen -- we have to get this baby out or she's going to die." That's when.
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So back to the throws of death.
 
year2late said:
So back to the throws of death.
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You just said as a critical care nurse that you never wait until then. Now you're saying a doctor would?
 
Josie said:
You just said as a critical care nurse that you never wait until then. Now you're saying a doctor would?
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Does a doctor give consent to a procedure?

Nope.

A doctor will give options and the patient will consent based on risks. One woman may never want the abortion (and risk death along with her fetus). Another may decide the risks are to great to continue the pregnancy.

What I would risk may not be what another woman is willing to risk.

My kidneys were in danger with my pregnancy. Would you be willing to risk renal failure? Would it be my place to decide for you?
 
year2late said:
Does a doctor give consent to a procedure?

Nope.

A doctor will give options and the patient will consent based on risks. One woman may never want the abortion (and risk death along with her fetus). Another may decide the risks are to great to continue the pregnancy.

What I would risk may not be what another woman is willing to risk.

My kidneys were in danger with my pregnancy. Would you be willing to risk renal failure? Would it be my place to decide for you?
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No, it's not up to a nurse or doctor to decide for the mother. If she wants to risk her own life to try to save her baby - that's up to her. Are you saying that a woman who wants to take a massive risk like death or organ damage shouldn't be allowed to? If you aren't saying that, I don't honestly know what you're arguing here.
 
Josie said:
No, it's not up to a nurse or doctor to decide for the mother. If she wants to risk her own life to try to save her baby - that's up to her. Are you saying that a woman who wants to take a massive risk like death or organ damage shouldn't be allowed to? If you aren't saying that, I don't honestly know what you're arguing here.
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It was brought up that there are those that only think abortion is ok if a woman is on deaths door. Literally.

By the time you have waited that long it is entirely possible that you may not be saved and if you are you may suffer long term damage to your body.

It clearly and emphatically should be up to the patient and her expert medical advice to decide about what is too much risk.

It should not be up to a politician to decide what is too much risk.
 
JayDubya said:
Not comparable. You do know there is risk of potential undesirable or unintended things happening when you go driving, in the case of the "nut blowing the red," they are responsible for their recklessness and the harm it causes themselves and you; civilly and possibly criminally liable.

Also the care a trauma victim receives to recover from their injuries is not comparable to a contract killing no matter how many times you falsely call the latter "healthcare."



The "invader," the "****ing thing..." is an innocent and helpless human being incapable of harming or attacking anyone, but your ridiculous bigoted hatemongering against the unborn is noted.

The rapist on conviction should be held financially responsible for all costs of the pregnancy. Whether the mother chooses adoption or not, the rapist should continue to be financially responsible with no visitation rights ever.

The percentage of all abortions performed for reasons of pregnancy caused by rape is a statistical blip.

So there are multiple layers of arguments - angles of attack - against legal abortion. Only one of those doesn't work in the rare case of a rape pregnancy, but the core human right to life is still present.




Absurdity. Subjective matters by definition do not deal in truth or falsehood.
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Why should a woman be forced to carry the product of rape to term?

Truth is objective.
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No it's not. Truth is always dependent on who is judging it, which are usually the victors.
 
calamity said:
Why should a woman be forced to carry the product of rape to term?
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You spelled "refrain from killing an innocent human being" wrong.

A woman should refrain from killing an innocent human being for the same reasons a man should.
 
LaylaWindu said:
It's still funny when posts are based on lies, false narrative or strawmen though.
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Well I agree and that's all some people have. lol
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
The proof is you said you support abortion in cases of rape and incest thus that makes you no pro lifer.
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Why do you keep posting retarded lies?. A person not fighting against the legal exception for rape does not negate them being prolife. If you disagree I directly challenge you to provide one single fact proving otherwise, one, you wont cause you cant! LMAO
Your retarded lies fails and facts win again.
 
JayDubya said:
1.)Not comparable. You do know there is risk of potential undesirable or unintended things happening when you go driving, in the case of the "nut blowing the red," they are responsible for their recklessness and the harm it causes themselves and you; civilly and possibly criminally liable.
2.)Also the care a trauma victim receives to recover from their injuries is not comparable to a contract killing no matter how many times you falsely call the latter "healthcare."

3.)The rapist on conviction should be held financially responsible for all costs of the pregnancy. Whether the mother chooses adoption or not, the rapist should continue to be financially responsible with no visitation rights ever.
4.)The percentage of all abortions performed for reasons of pregnancy caused by rape is a statistical blip.
5.) So there are multiple layers of arguments - angles of attack - against legal abortion.
6.)Truth is objective.
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1.) completely comparable because nobody forces you to drive like you want to force people to rick their lives against their will and give birth. Another retarded hypocrisy in your views is exposed.
2.) there factually is no contract killing :)
3.) brilliant the rapist is financially responsible. Im sure the rapist in jail will have lots of finances to provide to them and if he ever gets out im sure he is the type of person that will care about child support LMAO
4.) meaningless to the discussion.
5.) YOU have yet to provide any that can't also be used against your own views and exposes how retarded and hypocritical they are.
6.) I agree and your views truthfully and objectively see the woman as a lesser and would factually violate her legal and human rights.
 
JayDubya said:
You spelled "refrain from killing an innocent human being" wrong.

A woman should refrain from killing an innocent human being for the same reasons a man should.
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You misspelled being forced to risk her health even if it results in her death and have her current legal and human rights violated wrong :)
Agreed good thing that has no barring here. LMAO
 
JayDubya said:
You spelled "refrain from killing an innocent human being" wrong.
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STILL SPOUTING WORTHLESS BLATHER, I SEE. When are you going to admit you are **wrong** to claim unborn human entities don't cause harm? (which is why they don't qualify as "innocent", but that's another topic....)

I'll even make it easier for you to understand what I'm asking you to admit.
Question: Do you know why almost every life-form tends to get rid of toxic biowastes? Hint: they are toxic!
Question: Does an unborn human dump its toxic biowastes into the body of its hostess? A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice as your answer.
Question: Are toxic biowastes harmful? Hint: If not, would you be willing to eat them, to prove their harmlessness?
 
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Media_Truth said:
Let me first say that I don't believe in abortion as a form of birth control. Surely, partners in sex can get more creative with their birth control choices. That said, if a doctor told me that my wife would probably die while giving birth, I would encourage her to abort the child. Likewise, if my daughter was raped and impregnated, I would respect her decision to bear the child or abort.
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With all due respect, saying you don't like abortion as a form of birth control is like saying you don't like cheeseburgers as a form of food. So what, don't eat one. Abortion IS a form of birth control, whether you like it or not. The thing about birth control is, it is the one who uses it that gets to decide what is best. I agree the prophylactic forms of birth control are safer but that doesn't change, one iota, the right of any woman or girl to rid herself of a fetus that can be unpredictably harmful or fatal to her. Her right of self preservation is certainly more important than the right of anyone else to wrongfully call a fetus a "child", as you have done.

To worship the fetus, as many do, is a strange phenomena. Even when they must look straight through a woman to establish that dogma, they kid themselves that they are doing good. How mistaken they are.
 
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