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Why do some pro choicers hate it[W:45]

Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

GEIxBattleRifle said:
When pro lifers categorize most abortions as a matter of "convenience?" I see some pro choicers get offended by it from my experience talking to them on forums and irl.
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Because pigeonholing someone's personal life as "convenience" is grossly wrong?
 
Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

Captain Obvious said:
When human sperm meets egg what is produced virtually 100% of the time?

Simple test, I've had only one abortion supporter answer it honestly. The rest of them, diversion.

So, what's the answer?

a) A shoe
b) A baby
c) A frog
d) The 3 DVD boxed set of The Young Ones "Every stoopid episode" TV series

Answer that question and we'll go from there.
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The answer is e. none of the above. A fetus, a zygote, a blastocyst -- none of these are babies.
 
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Kobie said:
The answer is e. none of the above. A fetus, a zygote, a blastocyst -- none of these are babies.
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Re-read the question and take another swing.

Adjust the tee down if you have to, swing straight through also.
 
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sangha said:
No, I like to point out the sheer ignorance and gross dishonesty of those who oppose our rights and freedoms
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For great justice
 
Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

Harshaw said:
That is not what it says, but carry on without me.
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Why lie? that's EXACTLY what it says. If you or ANYBODY disagrees I directly challenge you to provide ONE fact those shows different. You won't cause you can't because you just got caught posting a lie.
 
Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

Captain Obvious said:
Re-read the question and take another swing.

Adjust the tee down if you have to, swing straight through also.
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Sorry you didn't like my answer when all the ones you provided were wrong.
 
Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

Kobie said:
Sorry you didn't like my answer when all the ones you provided were wrong.
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It's really not that difficult a question.

But rest assured, you punted just as finely as most others did.

Next...
 
Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

Captain Obvious said:
It's really not that difficult a question.

But rest assured, you punted just as finely as most others did.

Next...
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So you ask a multiple choice question with all wrong answers, and when someone offers the right answer, you accuse them of evasion.

How stunningly and unsurprisingly dishonest as hell. Congratulations.

This is why arguing against extremist forced-birth nutters is pointless.
 
Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

Captain Obvious said:
When human sperm meets egg what is produced virtually 100% of the time?

Simple test, I've had only one abortion supporter answer it honestly. The rest of them, diversion.

So, what's the answer?

a) A shoe
b) A baby
c) A frog
d) The 3 DVD boxed set of The Young Ones "Every stoopid episode" TV series

Answer that question and we'll go from there.
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Stupid options.

Scientifically there is absolutely no question whatsoever that the immediate product of fertilisation is a newly existing human being. A human zygote is a human being. It is not a "potential" or a "possible" human being. It is an actual human being with the potential to grow bigger and develop its capacities. A developing baby would be a more accurate term than what you have suggested here.
 
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Kobie said:
Because pigeonholing someone's personal life as "convenience" is grossly wrong?
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Since this is a question, perhaps you're looking for an answer.

No, it really isn't... especially since anything outside of lifesaving medical necessity is objectively a killing for convenience. So you know, more than 99% of time.
 
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JayDubya said:
Since this is a question, perhaps you're looking for an answer.

No, it really isn't... especially since anything outside of lifesaving medical necessity is objectively a killing for convenience. So you know, more than 99% of time.
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Hey look ANOTHER posted lie and subjective opinion being pushed as fact LMAO
nothign like trying to make up your own definition and claiming it true. FAIL
Some women do in fact have an abortion for that reason and no other but only the person having the abortion can decided that, anything else is an assumption or subjective opinion of that specific case, not a fact.

once again if anybody disagrees and they think the majority of abortions are done out of convenience I directly challenge you to present ONE fact that makes it true . . one
 
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Serenity said:
Stupid options.

Scientifically there is absolutely no question whatsoever that the immediate product of fertilisation is a newly existing human being. A human zygote is a human being. It is not a "potential" or a "possible" human being. It is an actual human being with the potential to grow bigger and develop its capacities. A developing baby would be a more accurate term than what you have suggested here.
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Your response is noted.

I'll file it with the rest of them, it fits well with the majority if that's any consolation.
 
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sangha said:
So now you are going to deny that you hate that women have the freedom to abort their pregancies?

God, could you be any more dishonest?
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I wish you could realize how... ironic your hysteria is.

It's really amusing. In a sad sort of way.
 
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Captain Obvious said:
Your response is noted.

I'll file it with the rest of them, it fits well with the majority if that's any consolation.
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What is being noted is the way you dismiss any response that deviates in any way from what you believe
 
Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

Captain Obvious said:
I wish you could realize how... ironic your hysteria is.

It's really amusing. In a sad sort of way.
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Yeah, the guy who got so emotional he said he would stop responding, and then couldnt control himself and continued to respond, is telling me about hysteria! :roll:
 
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sangha said:
Yeah, the guy who got so emotional he said he would stop responding, and then couldnt control himself and continued to respond, is telling me about hysteria! :roll:
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Captain Obvious said:
I wish you could realize how... ironic your hysteria is.

It's really amusing. In a sad sort of way.
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Moderator's Warning:
You all are not the topic. Stop the snarking and move on.

There are some others doing the same earlier. Stop talking about each other and be productive in the thread.
 
Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

Captain Obvious said:
When human sperm meets egg what is produced virtually 100% of the time?

Simple test, I've had only one abortion supporter answer it honestly. The rest of them, diversion.

So, what's the answer?

a) A shoe
b) A baby
c) A frog
d) The 3 DVD boxed set of The Young Ones "Every stoopid episode" TV series

Answer that question and we'll go from there.
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e) a zygote (I presume you meant to say when the sperm has penetrated the egg, not when it 'meets' the egg since meeting would be when the head touches the egg)



Captain Obvious said:
This person who I won't mention was that person who honestly answered my question by stating that yes, abortion is murder and it's a difficult choice but they believe a woman's right to choose to kill a living human is less than the right of that unborn to life.
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Legal abortion is not murder. Murder is the *illegal* killing of a person by a person. Not only are zefs not persons in your country (if you are in the US) or mine, but if abortion is legal it *cannot* be murder.
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
When pro lifers categorize most abortions as a matter of "convenience?" I see some pro choicers get offended by it from my experience talking to them on forums and irl.
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For me personally, it is the fact that anti-choicers consider a woman's ability to survive, go to school, care for existing children, or protect her general well-bein as nothing but minor issues of convenience. What offends me is that they don't consider womens' quality of life to have any importance whatsoever. In fact, it seems they care about nothing but whether she physically survives, and even then only so she can breed later on.

What offends me is that anti-choicers think there is no reason why a woman's livelihood and well-being would be important to her, or should be important to anyone else. In essence, they treat women as being non-human.

I don't think it's anyone's damn business to shove their nose in whether or why someone allows their body to be used or harmed, and I don't care even if a woman really does abort for a reason I think is minor. It's not any of my business why any given woman aborts.

But the fact that anti-choicers seem to class almost everything as a minor or unimportant reason is misogynist and dehumanizing.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
For me personally, it is the fact that anti-choicers consider a woman's ability to survive, go to school, care for existing children, or protect her general well-bein as nothing but minor issues of convenience. What offends me is that they don't consider womens' quality of life to have any importance whatsoever. In fact, it seems they care about nothing but whether she physically survives, and even then only so she can breed later on.

What offends me is that anti-choicers think there is no reason why a woman's livelihood and well-being would be important to her, or should be important to anyone else. In essence, they treat women as being non-human.

I don't think it's anyone's damn business to shove their nose in whether or why someone allows their body to be used or harmed, and I don't care even if a woman really does abort for a reason I think is minor. It's not any of my business why any given woman aborts.

But the fact that anti-choicers seem to class almost everything as a minor or unimportant reason is misogynist and dehumanizing.
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My pregnancy caused me to be out of work for 6 months. It gave me major complications that still cause me trouble 23 years later. I encountered major surgery and risks of general anesthesia as well. I was expected to have a healthy pregnancy and work up to my delivery date and be back at work 6 weeks later. I was DAMNED LUCKY to retain my job and seniority. It took me years to pay off the debt from being out of work - not to mention COBRA payments (which were almost as high as my rent!!!)

So I speak from experience that when a woman maintains her pregnancy, there is not only risk to life but ability to support yourself ...BEFORE a baby is even born. Only the person pregnant can assume these risks and weigh them with her personal beliefs.
 
Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

Serenity said:
Stupid options.

Scientifically there is absolutely no question whatsoever that the immediate product of fertilisation is a newly existing human being. A human zygote is a human being. It is not a "potential" or a "possible" human being. It is an actual human being with the potential to grow bigger and develop its capacities. A developing baby would be a more accurate term than what you have suggested here.
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And I disagree with your conclusion that a human zygote or a human embryo is a living ( human ) being.

If in fact we wish to talk about living being than it is even more questionable to refer to a zygote, an embryo or pre viable fetus as a living being since the embryo or pre viable fetus is incapable of sustaining its life without the woman and her body's systems.

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The embryo is not even a “potential” living being in so far as a “potential being” is defined as something capable of passing from this potential state to the state of being that thing in actuality, and only thanks to internal factors.

A blank sheet of paper is not a potential drawing, in so far as in order to pass from the state of blank sheet to the state of drawing it requires an external factor, namely the draughtsman.
As opposed to this, an acorn is a potential oak, for the soil in which it is planted only plays a nutritional role and it passes from the state of acorn to that of oak by virtue of internal factors only.

The same is often considered to hold for the embryo. But in fact, it doesn’t. The latest scientific research – the full range of which has still not been fully appreciated – shows the mother’s indispensable role.

Some of the growth factors that have been identified no doubt come from the embryo itself; but others come from the mother and are sufficiently important to be indispensable to the embryo’s growth: if put in a purely nutritious environment, the embryo will multiply self-identically or in a disorderly way. It is not correct to say of the embryo that it grows: it is grown by the mother. It is not a potential living being; the mother is the potential mother of a living being.
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Read more:

The Embryo Is Not a Potential Living Being - L'Humanité in English
 
Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

minnie616 said:
And I disagree with your conclusion that a human zygote or a human embryo is a living ( human ) being.

If in fact we wish to talk about living being than it is even more questionable to refer to a zygote, an embryo or pre viable fetus as a living being
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Objectively false and completely at odds with established scientific fact. The French philosophy professor you like to cite (and spam) is still an idiot.
 
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