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Is there a reasonable and legal way to limit the amount of abortions a person can have?

"Data from the 39 areas that reported the number of previous abortions for women who obtained abortions in 2013 indicate that the majority (55.0%) had no previous abortions, 36.2% had one to two previous abortions, and 8.8% had three or more previous abortions."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/ss/ss6512a1.htm


8% of women who reported to have abortions are each responsible for 3 or more abortions.

My friend brought up the idea that at some point it becomes serial abortion. I can understand the idea, but it does not set right with me.

I thought I'd kick the idea around.
 
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Sure. Get an elective abortion, it comes with sterilization. Like a burger and fries, only mandatory.

Something tells me pro-aborts would object to this, because they don't give a **** about sociopaths who kill again and again as long as the victims are those whom they hate.
 
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Pozessed said:
Is there a reasonable and legal way to limit the amount of abortions a person can have?
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Short answer, no.

"Data from the 39 areas that reported the number of previous abortions for women who obtained abortions in 2013 indicate that the majority (55.0%) had no previous abortions, 36.2% had one to two previous abortions, and 8.8% had three or more previous abortions."


8% of women who reported to have abortions are each responsible for 3 or more abortions.

My friend brought up the idea that at some point it becomes serial abortion. I can understand the idea, but it does not set right with me.

I thought I'd kick the idea around.
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You are not going to get a majority in this country that will FORCE a woman to go through a pregnancy right after conception. There are already limitations to abortions in the fact of 20 weeks. There doesn't need to be any more.
 
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Pozessed said:
Is there a reasonable and legal way to limit the amount of abortions a person can have?

"Data from the 39 areas that reported the number of previous abortions for women who obtained abortions in 2013 indicate that the majority (55.0%) had no previous abortions, 36.2% had one to two previous abortions, and 8.8% had three or more previous abortions."


8% of women who reported to have abortions are each responsible for 3 or more abortions.

My friend brought up the idea that at some point it becomes serial abortion. I can understand the idea, but it does not set right with me.

I thought I'd kick the idea around.
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No, I don't think that's right. its either legal or it's not.

I remember being on Microsoft's QnA site. A woman posted up that she'd had six abortions, was now pregnant and wanted to keep THIS baby. Would all of her previous abortions make it harder for her to keep the baby she now carried.

I'm not proud to say that I went off on that woman to the extent that I got a ten day suspension. I'm okay with abortion. I like the four month rule that seems to be catching on. I think using abortion as a form of birth control is the lowest thing a woman can do, except for one.

And that ONE would be for her to be PREVENTED from having an abortion and give birth to a child she would raise.
 
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JayDubya said:
Sure. Get an elective abortion, it comes with sterilization. Like a burger and fries, only mandatory.

Something tells me pro-aborts would object to this, because they don't give a **** about sociopaths who kill again and again as long as the victims are those whom they hate.
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And some fascist Pro-Lifers want to chain up a woman to force her to deliver.
 
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JayDubya said:
Sure. Get an elective abortion, it comes with sterilization. Like a burger and fries, only mandatory.

Something tells me pro-aborts would object to this, because they don't give a **** about sociopaths who kill again and again as long as the victims are those whom they hate.
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If an 11 year old rape victim were 20 weeks pregnant and getting closer to death every day the baby stays inside her, what do you recommend?
 
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Praxas said:
And some fascist Pro-Lifers want to chain up a woman to force her to deliver.
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"Force her to deliver"

Not killing your own kid = fascism. Y'ok. :roll:
 
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JayDubya said:
"Force her to deliver"

Not killing your own kid = fascism. Y'ok. :roll:
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Let me chain you up and force mental and physical changes to your body for 9 months. No pro-lifer has the guts for that.
 
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Pozessed said:
If an 11 year old rape victim were 20 weeks pregnant and getting closer to death every day the baby stays inside her, what do you recommend?
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Ridiculous scenario.

It's so cartoonish it isn't worthy of a response.

I'll deign to give it one anyway.

In that situation, doctors should be doing all they can to save the lives of both of their patients. You know, what doctors are supposed to do.
 
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Praxas said:
Let me chain you up and force mental and physical changes to your body for 9 months. No pro-lifer has the guts for that.
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:roll:

"Force."
 
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JayDubya said:
Ridiculous scenario.

It's so cartoonish it isn't worthy of a response.

I'll deign to give it one anyway.

In that situation, doctors should be doing all they can to save the lives of both of their patients. You know, what doctors are supposed to do.
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Cartoony or not preteens do get pregnant and they do have risks carrying to term and through birth. The doctors apparently can't save both, they can get the baby out to save the mother or the doctors can let them both die.
They can't save the babies life if the mother is dying.
What would you recommend the doctors do?
 
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Pozessed said:
If an 11 year old rape victim were 20 weeks pregnant and getting closer to death every day the baby stays inside her, what do you recommend?
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I agree with the exceptions for the woman's health. Trouble is, the pro-aborts are ever-expanding that definition.
 
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WCH said:
I agree with the exceptions for the woman's health. Trouble is, the pro-aborts are ever-expanding that definition.
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Yes, the question amongst non-absolutists - where do you draw the line? What are legitimate exceptions?

To me,

Allowing abortion for anyone for any reason at any point during pregnancy is crazy.

BUT - declaring that a fertilized egg is a person that is subject to government protection is at least that crazy, maybe more so.
 
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WCH said:
I agree with the exceptions for the woman's health. Trouble is, the pro-aborts are ever-expanding that definition.
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Is that your way of saying you would encourage the doctors to get the 20 week old baby out of the pregnant 11 year old so at least one of the 2 may live?
 
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Porkuloss said:
Yes, the question amongst non-absolutists - where do you draw the line? What are legitimate exceptions?

To me,

Allowing abortion for anyone for any reason at any point during pregnancy is crazy.

BUT - declaring that a fertilized egg is a person that is subject to government protection is at least that crazy, maybe more so.
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You don't really know you're pregnant until weeks after that egg is fertilized. By then is far more advanced.
 
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Praxas said:
Yes Force. Pro-lifers need to mind their own business.
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Pro-aborts need to stop being apathetic at best about innocent human beings getting slaughtered.
 
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Pozessed said:
The doctors apparently can't save both, they can get the baby out to save the mother or the doctors can let them both die.
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In these EXCEEDINGLY RARE circumstances where both patients cannot be saved, if you KNOW it to be futile, the principles of medical triage dictate you save the one who can be saved. In that circumstance and ONLY that circumstance is a "medical neccessity" exception warranted.
 
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Porkuloss said:
BUT - declaring that a fertilized egg is a person that is subject to government protection is at least that crazy, maybe more so.
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No, chickens and other species should never be declared persons.

All humans should be though. Glad we cleared that up.
 
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Pozessed said:
Is there a reasonable and legal way to limit the amount of abortions a person can have? ;/b]

"Data from the 39 areas that reported the number of previous abortions for women who obtained abortions in 2013 indicate that the majority (55.0%) had no previous abortions, 36.2% had one to two previous abortions, and 8.8% had three or more previous abortions."
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/ss/ss6512a1.htm


8% of women who reported to have abortions are each responsible for 3 or more abortions.

My friend brought up the idea that at some point it becomes serial abortion. I can understand the idea, but it does not set right with me.

I thought I'd kick the idea around.
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No, not as long as abortion is Constitutionally protected.

All additional discussion is moot & superfluous in terms of efficacy.
 
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JayDubya said:
Something tells me pro-aborts would object to this, because they don't give a **** about sociopaths who kill again and again as long as the victims are those whom they hate.
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Praxas said:
And some fascist Pro-Lifers want to chain up a woman to force her to deliver.
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JayDubya said:
No, chickens and other species should never be declared persons.

All humans should be though. Glad we cleared that up.
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You are an absolutist. That's what was cleared up.

Does every miscarriage require a trial to decide that "person" wasn't intentionally "killed"? When I lived in VA, a Repub tried to pass a "personhood" law, but he couldn't find a way to word it that didn't include making miscarriages potential criminal acts requiring investigation. Of course he submitted the bill without thinking through the full ramifications.
 
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JayDubya said:
In these EXCEEDINGLY RARE circumstances where both patients cannot be saved, if you KNOW it to be futile, the principles of medical triage dictate you save the one who can be saved. In that circumstance and ONLY that circumstance is a "medical neccessity" exception warranted.
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WCH said:
What part of 'the mother's health' did we miss?

There's a fine line when talking about limits...

How the 'miracle' baby born two weeks before the legal abortion limit clung to life against all odds | Daily Mail Online

The youngest mother was nearly 6.
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In the rare and extreme circumstance I offered your imagination, it seems you would recommend saving the 11 year old rather than make the baby and mother suffer death. At least you are in some regard pro-choice. Thank you for your input.
 
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WCH said:
You don't really know you're pregnant until weeks after that egg is fertilized. By then is far more advanced.
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No argument there.

My point was that there is no point debating the absolutists on either side of this argument. This subject and the 2nd amendment are topics that simply aren't worth debating with some people. I don't see you as one of them.
 
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