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If abortions are made illegal across the US... [W: 125:344]

If abortions are made illegal across the US, will the numbers of abortions plummett?


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You really think all those women are going to risk murder charges??

What murder chargers? Where in the op was murder mentioned?
 
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And yet the most vocal ones do not.

Can women not take care of themselves? Can they not be responsible for their own bodies?

Its her job to not get pregnant, no one elses..
 
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By what measure is drastic? It would likely be significant. Of course the number is not going to be zero, but there would be a measurable drop.

How would you measure?

Making abortion illegal would push all abortions underground.
 
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What murder chargers? Where in the op was murder mentioned?

Abortion being illegal = murder
 
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Are woman going to commit 600k? murders a year if it becomes illegal? I'd like to think the women of my country would not..
 
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What is the charge for killing a 6 month old baby right now.. That would be the charge for killing your baby..

You think they are still going to kill their babies like they just don't care?

So are there going to be mandatory daily pregnancy tests to weed out the aborters?:lamo


Is any woman that has a miscarriage going to be subject to your punishment?


How do you see this being logically enacted?
 
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So are there going to be mandatory daily pregnancy tests to weed out the aborters?:lamo


Is any woman that has a miscarriage going to be subject to your punishment?


How do you see this being logically enacted?

I'm not a doctor..

I guess you think women will just flippantly run around committing murder and laugh.. Strange..
 
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Abortion being illegal = murder

No it doesn't. If RvW was overturned that's not even what would happen. There would have to be other rulings, amendments or laws made to make abortion murder. But most importantly the OP anything about murder. You just can't make stuff up, you didn't write the OP. HAHA
 
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No it doesn't. If RvW was overturned that's not even what would happen. There would have to be other rulings, amendments or laws made to make abortion murder. But most importantly the OP anything about murder. You just can't make stuff up, you didn't write the OP. HAHA

Ha ha, killing babies illegally is murder..
 
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I'm not a doctor..

I guess you think women will just flippantly run around committing murder and laugh.. Strange..

And yet....how are you gong to legislate this?

Put every woman that has a miscarriage under scrutiny?

Any woman that expresses her pregnancy was unwanted will be under watch/

Please explain how your new law would be enforced.
 
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Ha ha, killing babies illegally is murder..

The topic is making abortion illegal. Abortion being illegal =/= murder.
 
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Ha ha, killing babies illegally is murder..

Explain how it is murder.

We already have laws regarding death of a fetus. UVVA is not a murder charge.
 
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not happening.
 
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Of course if you make abortions illegal the number of them will drop, you would have to be a total moron to think otherwise.

Take the alcohol prohibition that "failed" and was widely ignored by the people, it still vastly reduced alcohol consumption.

For the population as a whole, the best estimates are that consumption of alcohol declined by 30 percent to 50 percent

Actually, Prohibition Was a Success - NYTimes.com
 
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Do you think the numbers of abortions will drastically decrease?

I yes but at the same time it depends on what the punishment for abortions are. If abortions for example are treated no different than murder(meaning those who are caught can be tried for first degree murder, murder for hire, and etc and punished accordingly) then it would decrease. Most people do not want to go prison for the rest of their life or get the death penalty regardless of how much they want to do the illegal activity. If its just fines or even a light prison sentence then no abortions wouldn't dramatically decrease.
 
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"In 2013, 664,435 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2013 was 12.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 200 abortions per 1,000 live births.Nov 16, 2016
Data and Statistics | Reproductive Health | CDC
www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/"

Making abortion illegal again will result in the same disastrous conditions for women I grew up with. I could not and would no ever support it.

So there is no source saying over 600K abortions were done illegally in your country when it was illegal. That's all I wanted to know.

Making abortion purely illegal will see a decrease in the amount perform. Since some women especially with kids already are not going to risk killing themselves and wouldn't want to deal with the punishments the overall law could produce.
 
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I yes but at the same time it depends on what the punishment for abortions are. If abortions for example are treated no different than murder(meaning those who are caught can be tried for first degree murder, murder for hire, and etc and punished accordingly) then it would decrease. Most people do not want to go prison for the rest of their life or get the death penalty regardless of how much they want to do the illegal activity. If its just fines or even a light prison sentence then no abortions wouldn't dramatically decrease.

You took the words out of my mouth. :)
 
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Abortion being illegal = murder

That's how it would be most likely if unborn humans have personhood attached to them. Either that or a weird way to go about it would be to create a huge fine of 250K or something like that comparable to destroying eagle eggs.
 
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So are there going to be mandatory daily pregnancy tests to weed out the aborters?:lamo

Nope they can send in people for undercover activities like let's say Lila Rose for example report it to police and pretty much raid the place and make the arrests. They do that with gangs sometimes.

Like I said before, your government can get ferocious with this.
 
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Making abortion illegal again will result in the same disastrous conditions for women I grew up with. I could not and would no ever support it.

I watched a friend almost die from an illegal abortion. At the time, I was anti choice. It made me realize that women were going to abort, regardless of what I or anyone else thought of it, and it needed to be legal and safe.
 
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Do you think the numbers of abortions will drastically decrease?

That would depend on how one goes about enforcement and for which future period one reads the numbers.
 
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I watched a friend almost die from an illegal abortion. At the time, I was anti choice. It made me realize that women were going to abort, regardless of what I or anyone else thought of it, and it needed to be legal and safe.

She should not have become pregnant, really. Parents would have to bite the bullet and socialize their kids better in that respect.
 
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That's how it would be most likely if unborn humans have personhood attached to them. Either that or a weird way to go about it would be to create a huge fine of 250K or something like that comparable to destroying eagle eggs.

I don't know. Eagle eggs seem such a noble cause. We are only dealing with humans here, after all.
 
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The topic is making abortion illegal. Abortion being illegal =/= murder.
Are you joking?

If abortion was to be made illegal, the OP does not have to specifically say it equals murder. One would have to be without the capability of logical thought not to understand that is exactly what would/must be the consequence. What else would it be if someone plans and then kills their baby, a baby now with legal protections, while still in the womb? Planning to kill someone and then doing it is known as premeditated murder, if you didn't already know.

And those assisting or performing such would also be either accessories to murder or, in the case of abortion doctors, serial murderers risking, as would the mother who premeditatedly kills their child, a murder trial and potentially the death penalty when abortion is made illegal.


No it doesn't. If RvW was overturned that's not even what would happen. There would have to be other rulings, amendments or laws made to make abortion murder. But most importantly the OP anything about murder. You just can't make stuff up, you didn't write the OP. HAHA
You say you are a prolifer and do not hope, aspire or even consider that RvW will be overturned? I call BS on you being a pro-lifer then. A prolifer does not argue for the other side and against its own side. You were also probably one of the naive too many that thought Trump would never win much less achieve a landslide Electoral College victory, eh?

Probably have not considered, or do not know, that along with the entire Federal government, including likely the Supreme Court if Trump gets another chance at an appointment of beyond the one Justice currently, that Republicans control of 30 out of 50 governorships and 68 out of 99 state legislative houses. That is majority and super majorities everywhere you look.

The pendulum, you see, took its good time but has finally swung back.

By the way, using your own argument against you, "You just can't make stuff up, you didn't write the OP. HAHA"... and as to your point that "There would have to be other rulings, amendments or laws made to make abortion murder", that is just silly nonsense. The consequence that would occur, by making it illegal, just like their ruling in the case of SSM, that abortion would become the law of the land and if aborting your baby is made illegal it would mean that a mother, planning with her doctor, to kill her living baby inside her body, would be murder. Simple. That would not necessitate any other "amendments" [like that would ever happen, anyhow] nor new laws as murder and premeditated murder are already punishable crimes.

But what may need occur is making it a crime to publish and advocate for the murder of unborn children as accessories to murder. And, unfortunately, many having natural miscarriages, due to the amount of unscrupulous mothers that will probably still continue to want to kill their babies, will face inquiries about the manner and circumstances that their babies "naturally died". Blame that on the unscrupulous lot that continues to advocate for abortions, legal now but illegal after overturning RvW. Its too bad that must occur and expectant mothers will have to become far more proactive about documenting what they did and did not do during their pregnancies. And with forensics becoming more and more equipped scientifically to ascertain causes of death, women who plan to "naturally kill" their babies will be caught in more increasing numbers sending a deterring message out to those who might otherwise attempt it.

Another logical consequence is that females might start making more prudent decisions about who they sleep with and whether it is worth it to continue doing so with the scumbags that now are mucking up the place, taking no responsibility and making it tougher for the good type guys to be in proper vogue.

I think we can all be for heading in that direction towards creating better families again.
 
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She should not have become pregnant, really. Parents would have to bite the bullet and socialize their kids better in that respect.

And the person with an STD should not have had unprotected sex, but we still allow them to have the infection treated.
 
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