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The bible does not condemn abortion [W:437:480] *****

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Logicman said:
If you have an argument to make, then make it.
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You said god was instrumental in creating every child in the womb.

So would you contest that if a women is raped and impregnated that it was an instrumental action on the part of god?
 
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Jetboogieman said:
You said god was instrumental in creating every child in the womb.

So would you contest that if a women is raped and impregnated that it was an instrumental action on the part of god?
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Why not on the part of the devil?

In addition, do you kill an innocent baby based on a sin by one of its parents? Who would you be killing? Examples in the article below.

10 Celebrities Who Were Conceived By Rape or Bore a Child Out of Rape
 
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Logicman said:
Who was raped?
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Everyone all the time, obviously. That's why pro-aborts never shut up about rape. :roll:
 
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Logicman said:
I'm still waiting on you folks to answer the question I posed in reference to Jeremiah 1:5 and Psalm 139:13 where it says God created life in a mother's womb.

What divine insight does the pro-abortion crowd think they have to where they can destroy in a mother’s womb that which God is somehow instrumental in creating?

Answer the question?
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God doesn't create it. A sperm cell uniting with an egg creates it. Biology 101.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
You mean "thou shalt not murder". Abortion is not murder.
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No that is not what it says "Thou shalt not kill". Exodus 20:13 -American Standard Version- If you want to say Abortion is not murder take it up with the Church. This thread asked for the quote. Now you want to dictate what it means. Sorry it does not work like that.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
God doesn't create it. A sperm cell uniting with an egg creates it. Biology 101.
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Really? Sperm creates a human spirit? Fascinating!!
 
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Logicman said:
Really? Sperm creates a human spirit? Fascinating!!
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You didn't say 'spirit'. You specifcally stated 'life'.

Changing your argument after it's been challenged indicated that you had no confidence in your original proposition.

Bummer.
 
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WCH said:
Satan controls the Earthly realm. Least until our Savior returns.
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Sound like a horrible joke to played on humanity. Or like the gods in Greek mythology toying with humans.
 
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Green Hornet said:
No that is not what it says "Thou shalt not kill". Exodus 20:13 -American Standard Version- If you want to say Abortion is not murder take it up with the Church. This thread asked for the quote. Now you want to dictate what it means. Sorry it does not work like that.
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The correct translation is murder, not kill.

The Ten Commandments, Killing, and Murder: A Detailed Commentary


If it were 'kill', then the death penalty, killing in self defense, eating meat etc. would break that commandment.
 
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CivicED said:
Your handicapped statement is rude to me. Will you please elaborate what "that" is referring too?


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Using a microphone to post text. Not very good technology IMO.
 
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CivicED said:
Do you believe that there should be a separation between church and state when governing?


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Separation of church and state is a myth.


The reason Jefferson choose the expression "separation of church and state" was because he was addressing a Baptist congregation; a denomination of which he was not a member. Jefferson wanted to remove all fears that the state would make dictates to the church. He was establishing common ground with the Baptists by borrowing the words of Roger Williams, one of the Baptist's own prominent preachers. Williams had said:

When they have opened a gap in the hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the Church and the wilderness of the world, God hath ever broke down the wall itself, removed the candlestick, and made his garden a wilderness, as at this day. And that therefore if He will eer please to restore His garden and paradise again, it must of necessity be walled in peculiarly unto Himself from the world...

The "wall" was understood as one-directional; its purpose was to protect the church from the state. The world was not to corrupt the church, yet the church was free to teach the people Biblical values.
https://www.tgm.org/mythofseparation.html
 
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Removable Mind said:
Sound like a horrible joke to played on humanity. Or like the gods in Greek mythology toying with humans.
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If taking otherwise [seemingly] good people and having them support the slaughter of innocence is a 'joke' then haha.
 
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WCH said:
Separation of church and state is a myth.


The reason Jefferson choose the expression "separation of church and state" was because he was addressing a Baptist congregation; a denomination of which he was not a member. Jefferson wanted to remove all fears that the state would make dictates to the church. He was establishing common ground with the Baptists by borrowing the words of Roger Williams, one of the Baptist's own prominent preachers. Williams had said:

When they have opened a gap in the hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the Church and the wilderness of the world, God hath ever broke down the wall itself, removed the candlestick, and made his garden a wilderness, as at this day. And that therefore if He will eer please to restore His garden and paradise again, it must of necessity be walled in peculiarly unto Himself from the world...

The "wall" was understood as one-directional; its purpose was to protect the church from the state. The world was not to corrupt the church, yet the church was free to teach the people Biblical values.
https://www.tgm.org/mythofseparation.html
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I said nothing about Thomas Jefferson.

25 Normal Things The Bible Forbids But We Still Do

Why should I be forced to obey your religion?

Do you think all Americans are Christians or should be forced to be?

Lots of presidents and leaders including Ronald Regan for example has said religion has no place in creating law.


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WCH said:
Separation of church and state is a myth.
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here's a question for you about this.

Do you think that The Supreme Court is someday going to rule abortion illegal because of the Bible?

Like do you honestly think that's going to happen in America?

Also I would like to add that all current judges are either Catholic or Jewish.

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WCH said:
Separation of church and state is a myth.


The reason Jefferson choose the expression "separation of church and state" was because he was addressing a Baptist congregation; a denomination of which he was not a member. Jefferson wanted to remove all fears that the state would make dictates to the church. He was establishing common ground with the Baptists by borrowing the words of Roger Williams, one of the Baptist's own prominent preachers. Williams had said:

When they have opened a gap in the hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the Church and the wilderness of the world, God hath ever broke down the wall itself, removed the candlestick, and made his garden a wilderness, as at this day. And that therefore if He will eer please to restore His garden and paradise again, it must of necessity be walled in peculiarly unto Himself from the world...

The "wall" was understood as one-directional; its purpose was to protect the church from the state. The world was not to corrupt the church, yet the church was free to teach the people Biblical values.
https://www.tgm.org/mythofseparation.html
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Laughable and delusional nonsense.

A. It's existed for quite some time in case law. This is simple, undeniable reality.
B. "Our U.S. Constitution was founded on Biblical principles and it was the intention of the authors for this to be a Christian nation." Ahistorical, hair-on-fire intellectual dishonesty, nor doe the author of the bit you linked to back up that statement.
C. What is it with the right wing and historical revisionism? Rather Stalinistic in all aspects and, unfortunately, not at all surprising.

Yes There Is a Constitutional Separation of Church and State
 
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