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How would that create more dead babies and damaged children, if they do not have children in the first place it cannot happen. In Europe birth control is almost universal and there is ready access to abortion and teen mothers are near non-existent.

I believe he meant if we cut off the housing, medical, EBT, etc.
 
How would that create more dead babies and damaged children, if they do not have children in the first place it cannot happen. In Europe birth control is almost universal and there is ready access to abortion and teen mothers are near non-existent.
Because they wont stop having babies. They arent having babies to get benefits and they arent thinking rationally at 14, 15, and 16. Abortion on demand already exists in pretty much every major city in the country.

Seriously...you think the solution to stopping child abuse and neglect is more abortions? MORE abortions?
 
They can already give up babies for adoption, and can in fact give up parental rights and be paid for it if they find a couple willing to do so.

Unfortunately we do pay people for not giving up their kids for adoption. that payment comes in the form of TANF and other forms of public assistance. We have a young lady in our life who had an adoption all set up to go to a great family (open adoption, they had already adopted her cousin's baby and had shown that they were great parents and followed through on the open adoption), but she changed her mind at literally the last minute (had given birth, new parents in the room and she decided not to). The young lady had shown that she wasn't mother material with both of her prior kids and was now going to try raise #3. She now gets a substantial increase in her TANF because of baby #3 and everyone we know is in agreement that's the reason she chose to keep baby #3. The good news is that kid #1 is being raised for the most part by her father's parents and my wife and I. Kids #2 & #3 are going to end up being raised by the young ladies mother or will end up in the system (not sure yet if this good news or bad).
 
Unfortunately we do pay people for not giving up their kids for adoption. that payment comes in the form of TANF and other forms of public assistance. We have a young lady in our life who had an adoption all set up to go to a great family (open adoption, they had already adopted her cousin's baby and had shown that they were great parents and followed through on the open adoption), but she changed her mind at literally the last minute (had given birth, new parents in the room and she decided not to). The young lady had shown that she wasn't mother material with both of her prior kids and was now going to try raise #3. She now gets a substantial increase in her TANF because of baby #3 and everyone we know is in agreement that's the reason she chose to keep baby #3. The good news is that kid #1 is being raised for the most part by her father's parents and my wife and I. Kids #2 & #3 are going to end up being raised by the young ladies mother or will end up in the system (not sure yet if this good news or bad).

I think we all know a "mother" like that. That's why I despise them.
 
Because they wont stop having babies. They arent having babies to get benefits and they arent thinking rationally at 14, 15, and 16. Abortion on demand already exists in pretty much every major city in the country.

Seriously...you think the solution to stopping child abuse and neglect is more abortions? MORE abortions?

I do.
 
Wouldnt you have to see some sort of evidence that that is actually relevant in this case? As in...she wanted one, couldnt get one, didnt know about them, etc?
 
Because they wont stop having babies. They arent having babies to get benefits and they arent thinking rationally at 14, 15, and 16. Abortion on demand already exists in pretty much every major city in the country.

Seriously...you think the solution to stopping child abuse and neglect is more abortions? MORE abortions?


How does an abortion stop abuse?? Can you predict which parents will be abusers and which ones won't?? Are you willing to head down a road where we open the door to telling people who can and can't have children??
 
Because they wont stop having babies. They arent having babies to get benefits and they arent thinking rationally at 14, 15, and 16. Abortion on demand already exists in pretty much every major city in the country.

Seriously...you think the solution to stopping child abuse and neglect is more abortions? MORE abortions?

Yes, along with proper sex education and birth control funding.
 
Unfortunately we do pay people for not giving up their kids for adoption. that payment comes in the form of TANF and other forms of public assistance. We have a young lady in our life who had an adoption all set up to go to a great family (open adoption, they had already adopted her cousin's baby and had shown that they were great parents and followed through on the open adoption), but she changed her mind at literally the last minute (had given birth, new parents in the room and she decided not to). The young lady had shown that she wasn't mother material with both of her prior kids and was now going to try raise #3. She now gets a substantial increase in her TANF because of baby #3 and everyone we know is in agreement that's the reason she chose to keep baby #3. The good news is that kid #1 is being raised for the most part by her father's parents and my wife and I. Kids #2 & #3 are going to end up being raised by the young ladies mother or will end up in the system (not sure yet if this good news or bad).

So then the solution is to what? Calamity says to lay for abortions. But do we stop relief for poor families? Do we get rid of the child tax credit?
 
How does an abortion stop abuse?? Can you predict which parents will be abusers and which ones won't?? Are you willing to head down a road where we open the door to telling people who can and can't have children??

No. I would only encourage abortions while discouraging mother of three from being mother of four. In fact, I would discourage mother of none to be mother of one the same way: no cash, housing, EBT medical, nothing if you keep the baby, but we will happily pay for your abortion and give you a few bucks for to help with your...uh, readjustment.
 
Just a quick check...there are 5 abortion clinics in Orlando Florida. Availability is not a problem.
 
So then the solution is to what? Calamity says to lay for abortions. But do we stop relief for poor families? Do we get rid of the child tax credit?

I'd be willing to engineer that a little. Working families should get tax credits for kids. Moms who just get pregnant with no means of support get free abortions.
 
Just a quick check...there are 5 abortion clinics in Orlando Florida. Availability is not a problem.

Abortion probably costs $1000. If she keeps the baby, she gets that or more every month in free housing, food and medical. It's truly a no brainer once you take emotion out of it.
 
Yes, along with proper sex education and birth control funding.
Ok...one last time and then I'm giving up on this thread.

An 18 year old BEAT HER BOYFRIEND WITH HER BABY. And you think MORE abortion services (5 centers in Orlando alone) proper sex education (cant vouch for what they are already taught) and birth control funding 5 free birth control centers PLUS every ER hospital and free Obamacare funding at pharmacies for condoms) is going to make a difference with an 18 year old that BEAT HER BOYFRIEND WITH HER BABY?
 
Abortion probably costs $1000. If she keeps the baby, she gets that or more every month in free housing, food and medical. It's truly a no brainer once you take emotion out of it.
Abortion does not cost $1k for no income individuals at Planned Parenthood centers and Obamacare already took care of covering everyone...right?
 
Abortion does not cost $1k for no income individuals at Planned Parenthood centers and Obamacare already took care of covering everyone...right?

As far as I know, abortions are out of pocket only.
 
No. I would only encourage abortions while discouraging mother of three from being mother of four. In fact, I would discourage mother of none to be mother of one the same way: no cash, housing, EBT medical, nothing if you keep the baby, but we will happily pay for your abortion and give you a few bucks for to help with your...uh, readjustment.

wow, just wow.... That's pretty much one of the most cold-hearted things I've heard here... paying for abortions and forcing those who choose not not abort their child to live in poverty if they have no other resources. Do you really think that's a good idea?? Giving a young mother the choice of aborting her child or living on the streets because she no income??

BTW - the young lady I was referring got her tubes tied, so no baby #4....
 
wow, just wow.... That's pretty much one of the most cold-hearted things I've heard here... paying for abortions and forcing those who choose not not abort their child to live in poverty if they have no other resources. Do you really think that's a good idea?? Giving a young mother the choice of aborting her child or living on the streets because she no income??

BTW - the young lady I was referring got her tubes tied, so no baby #4....

Um, yes. I guess that is exactly what I am saying: "Choice is yours. Abort and get a few bucks for your troubles or live in poverty." How much you want to bet we solve our single, impoverished parent crisis in five minutes flat?
 
Um, yes. I guess that is exactly what I am saying: "Choice is yours. Abort and get a few bucks for your troubles or live in poverty." How much you want to bet we solve our single, impoverished parent crisis in five minutes flat?

How much do want to bet that we explode our homeless numbers in two minutes flat?? That we end up with young girls living on the streets in short order and large numbers. The young lady I referred to earlier made a choice with baby #1 to not get an abortion. Due to some bad choices made by her and another person in her life, she ended up 17 years old and couch surfing with a new-born baby. Your plan would take this scenario and expand it 10,000X. When does your plan not offer $$$ for dead babies?? Who decides who gets offered $ for an abortion and who doesn't?? How do you plan on stopping the cash cow once it gets going and some enterprising young men realize that they can get a $1000 a head for every girl they knock up, so they start running stables of girls to get pregnant and pay them along with their prostitution ring?
 
As far as I know, abortions are out of pocket only.
Pretty sure Florida unemployed/underemployed individuals receive medicaid as a part of their unemployment benefits and that would pay for their reduced fee abortions...already in place.
 
How much do want to bet that we explode our homeless numbers in two minutes flat?? That we end up with young girls living on the streets in short order and large numbers. The young lady I referred to earlier made a choice with baby #1 to not get an abortion. Due to some bad choices made by her and another person in her life, she ended up 17 years old and couch surfing with a new-born baby. Your plan would take this scenario and expand it 10,000X. When does your plan not offer $$$ for dead babies?? Who decides who gets offered $ for an abortion and who doesn't?? How do you plan on stopping the cash cow once it gets going and some enterprising young men realize that they can get a $1000 a head for every girl they knock up, so they start running stables of girls to get pregnant and pay them along with their prostitution ring?

I'd pay for adoptions too. So, no couch surfing at all. She gives it up for adoption and gets a nice pay out.

If you want to eliminate fraud, make the payout more direct. Like a housing voucher or something.

Have an abortion or give the kid up for adoption, you get to live here for a year.
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Keep it, and this just may end up being you.
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I'm sure we can sell it. We sell everything else quite well.
 
I saw this this morning on one of the sites.

That animal should have her baby taken away, and the courts should let her sit in jail for a couple years.

...after tehy sterilize her.
 
Ok...one last time and then I'm giving up on this thread.

An 18 year old BEAT HER BOYFRIEND WITH HER BABY. And you think MORE abortion services (5 centers in Orlando alone) proper sex education (cant vouch for what they are already taught) and birth control funding 5 free birth control centers PLUS every ER hospital and free Obamacare funding at pharmacies for condoms) is going to make a difference with an 18 year old that BEAT HER BOYFRIEND WITH HER BABY?

It will help stop the unwanted pregnancies that these kind of mother's usually fall into.
 
...after tehy sterilize her.

I only wish we could. I remember a judge telling a guy he needed to get a vasectomy.. he was a deadbeat dad who had like more than a dozen children from 5 or 6 different women.. and the ACLU of course ran to the guys defense and tried to get the judge fired.
 
I only wish we could. I remember a judge telling a guy he needed to get a vasectomy.. he was a deadbeat dad who had like more than a dozen children from 5 or 6 different women.. and the ACLU of course ran to the guys defense and tried to get the judge fired.

It seems entirely reasonable to not allow the state to order people to get surgeries.
 
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