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Why do we condone pre-birth abortions and not post-birth abortions?

imyoda said:
Killing a child is called infanticide and murder............and as I understand has not a wit of anything to do with abortion..............
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My mistake. I thought the child die in the process.
 
LaylaWindu said:
So you are just making up words and definitions now? Doesn't seem like anybody is buying it including pro-lifers.
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My mistake. I thought when I caused some living thing to die I killed it.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
My mistake. I thought when I caused some living thing to die I killed it.
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Correct that is your mistake since that's not the definition of abortion. Now you can avoid your mistake in the future.
 
Pozessed said:
Aside from the legalities pertaining person hood, why do we condone pre-birth abortions and not post-birth abortions?
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There is no such thing as a post-birth abortion. Abortion is termination of pregnancy. Post-birth, there is no longer a pregnancy.
 
Scrabaholic said:
There is no such thing as a post-birth abortion. Abortion is termination of pregnancy. Post-birth, there is no longer a pregnancy.
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Exactly.
Abortion is the ending of the ending of a pregnancy.
When a woman has a miscarriage it is a spontaneous abortion.
In the US a legal elective abortion is when the pregnant chooses to have a medical procedure that will end the pregnancy before the pregnancy becomes viable.
 
Removable Mind said:
Actually "Post-birth abortion", while it sounds like an oxymoron, it usually refers to justifiable euthanization of neonates.
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Even more generically, the word "abort" can refer to the interruption of any on-going process. How often has the average TV or movie watcher encountered the phrase "abort the mission!"? Logically, the word "abort" could refer to interrupting a life, at any stage or age....
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
My mistake. I thought the child die in the process.
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I believe what you may be referring to is called” Partial birth abortion” or late term abortion. Which is a very controversial and “pro-lifers of pro-life advocates who believe the procedure illustrates their contention that abortion, and especially late-term abortion, is immoral. Critics consider the procedure to be infanticide, a position that many in the pro-life movement extend to cover all abortions” ………
 
Pozessed said:
Aside from the legalities pertaining person hood, why do we condone pre-birth abortions and not post-birth abortions?
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That is an easy one. We define jung humans as killable. No sweat. It's legal.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yeah - you're the first person to come up with that stupid question in an abortion forum. You win a prize. :roll:
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But it does remain a viable question that is ethically quite perceptive going to the heart of the matter.
 
imyoda said:
I believe what you may be referring to is called” Partial birth abortion” or late term abortion. Which is a very controversial and “pro-lifers of pro-life advocates who believe the procedure illustrates their contention that abortion, and especially late-term abortion, is immoral. Critics consider the procedure to be infanticide, a position that many in the pro-life movement extend to cover all abortions” ………
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I know. I also know people that were adopted and are very grateful they were not aborted. When you choose abortion you are ending a life. whether it is legal or illegal does not change the fact that a life was terminated.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I know. I also know people that were adopted and are very grateful they were not aborted. When you choose abortion you are ending a life. whether it is legal or illegal does not change the fact that a life was terminated.
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Was not making any judgment right or wrong......not sharing any opinion........

Just an attempt to share some knowledge
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I know. I also know people that were adopted and are very grateful they were not aborted. When you choose abortion you are ending a life. whether it is legal or illegal does not change the fact that a life was terminated.
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How many embryos or early stage fetuses that you know of gave you their opinions about their being aborted?

I'm betting none - because they can't.

Using the example of friend's comments about their being adopted and declaring it was better than being aborted isn't at all a viable comparison. I don't think that it's rocket science as to why you got the responses you did from your adopted friends. They only know what it's like to be alive...rather than not existing.

There are probably a fair number of people not adopted who wish they were aborted.

What about lives lost in wars or people executed...or the over 9 million children under the age of 5 who die each year from "PREVENTABLE" causes? These kids chopped liver? Have no value? How has their deaths impacted humanity?

Most conceptions are brought to full term. Most abortions (well over 90%) occur at 12 weeks or under. Of those over 60% are 10 weeks and under. These stages don't have the neural, brain, or organ development to feel pain or even know that they exist. And it's safe to say that you don't have a clue as to the impact on all future generations resulting from all of the abortions ever performed.

Do you believe that women have a legal and/or moral obligation to reproduce and proliferate the species? If so, then I assume you believe men do as well. If you answered "yes" to one or both I completely disagree.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I also know people that were adopted and are very grateful they were not aborted.
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Do you also know any who were not grateful for being aborted?

When you choose abortion you are ending a life.
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Yes much the same way as in war, executions, neglect, lack of medical care famine etc. Why is fetal life significant?
 
joG said:
That is an easy one. We define jung humans as killable. No sweat. It's legal.
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Is jung humans a typo or a new name for a pre viable unborn?
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
I know. I also know people that were adopted and are very grateful they were not aborted.
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People often don't know what they are talking about. For any person, "you" and "your body" are two different things. If you don't believe that, then just answer this simple question:
FutureIncoming said:
if you were visiting a modern well-equipped medical lab, and some madman with a machete cut your head off in an attempt to murder you, but rescuers arrived in time, would you want them to save your headless human body, or save your severed head, to save YOU-the-person?
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PIPEWRENCH said:
When you choose abortion you are ending a life. whether it is legal or illegal does not change the fact that a life was terminated.
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AGREED. However, "you" and "a life" are also two different things. This is a less-obvious thing than what I pointed out above; one needs to understand the Nature of the brain-as-a-computer. "You" are in-essence a computer program being run by your living body''s computer/brain. If an equivalent program was getting run on a futuristic electronic computer (such as seems likely within a couple of decades, based on the rate of advancements in the field), the resulting entity would be called a "True Artificial Intelligence", a person --but would it be "a life"? Nope (not biological life, anyway)!
 
Pozessed said:
Aside from the legalities pertaining person hood, why do we condone pre-birth abortions and not post-birth abortions?
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Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. How does that affect anything after birth?
 
prometeus said:
Do you also know any who were not grateful for being aborted?
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No. I have never had a dead person express they were grateful for being killed or aborted. I did know people who did not value their life and committed suicide. Unfortunately I was too young and did not have the wisdom to understand their cry for help. Could I have intervened and save them? I will never know.

prometeus said:
Yes much the same way as in war, executions, neglect, lack of medical care famine etc.
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I think there is a significant difference between me going to war and killing the enemy soldier to stop a mad man such as Hitler vs grabbing a child and breaking his or her neck because I do not want a child.

prometeus said:
Why is fetal life significant?
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All human lives are significant.
 
Pozessed said:
Aside from the legalities pertaining person hood, why do we condone pre-birth abortions and not post-birth abortions?
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It is not possible to abort post birth, so your question is nonsense IMHO, now if you want to discuss infant euthanasia than I am happy to do that but discussing impossible things, no, completely useless.
 
PIPEWRENCH said:
Could I have intervened and save them? I will never know.
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Why is your opinion superior to theirs, regarding their wanting to die?

PIPEWRENCH said:
I think there is a significant difference between me going to war and killing the enemy soldier to stop a mad man such as Hitler
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One of Hitler's mad endeavors was to encourage women to breed, breed, breed, and breed some more, to produce lots of future soldiers for Hitler's wars. Generically, that mad endeavor originated thousands of years ago, and has been embraced by every power-mad individual and group in History, from the Hebrews to ISIS (and including just about ALL Religions in-between).

So imagine what History might have been like if women had refused to go along with the breed-breed-breed-and-breed-some-more program. NONE of those power-mad individuals and groups would have had the manpower to make war....

PIPEWRENCH said:
... vs grabbing a child and breaking his or her neck because I do not want a child.
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Assuming you are talking about your own child, perhaps now you understand why abortion is legal. An unborn human is NOT a "child"; it is a very different entity, since it has a placenta as a vital organ --do you see any ordinary children (or babies, either, for that matter) with attached placentas as vital organs? For a lot more information about the HUGE differences between unborn humans and the born, see this page. Therefore abortion, the killing of an unborn human entity, does not actually kill a "baby" or "child". So, if you "do not want a child", abortion lets you kill something that isn't one, before it becomes one. Simple!

PIPEWRENCH said:
All human lives are significant.
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Your mere say-so is worthless without evidence. Perhaps you should become informed of the "cuticle cell argument" some time.
 
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Pozessed said:
Aside from the legalities pertaining person hood, why do we condone pre-birth abortions and not post-birth abortions?
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Here is the main differences between the two conditions, or situations if you prefer. Post birth, while the individual is indeed reliant on others to care for it, it is not reliant on any other specific individual(s). Pre-birth the individual is physically tied to a specific other individual. This makes for a unique situation that has no other true equivalent
 
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