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Life and Regret[W:31]

Bucky

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Thank you Cal Thomas; ALL lives matter.

In more than 30 years of speaking at fundraisers for pregnancy help centers, I, too, have heard the stories of women with unplanned pregnancies. Virtually every one who decided to see her pregnancy through and either parent, or place the baby up for adoption, has never regretted it. Women I have met who had an abortion have told me of their deep remorse and being ignorant of alternatives. Some turned to drugs and alcohol or became promiscuous. Many are scarred emotionally, biologically and spiritually.

Robbing so many babies of their "unalienable" right to live has had a corrosive effect on our culture and led to the devaluing of other categories of life. These include street shootings, assisted suicide laws and, soon to come, rationed health care to rid us of the “burdensome” elderly and seriously ill. If some lives don’t matter, then ultimately all lives might be at risk.

Every argument once made in favor of abortion has been answered, from “who will care for the child?” to “who will help the woman after her child is born?” This is what pregnancy help centers do, and they do it without cost, unlike abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood, which profit from women’s difficult circumstances, leading to the question, “Who really cares more about women?”
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Cal Thomas: Those who chose life don't have regrets
 
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According to 44 studies conducted worldwide from 1990 to 2011 that included several million women...
women with unwanted pregnancies who had abortions did not suffer more than those who gave birth.

Abortion Not A Mental Health Risk But Unwanted Pregnancies Are, Studies Find

Among women with unwanted pregnancies, those who had abortions were no more likely to suffer from problems including anxiety or depression than women who gave birth, the analysis by the U.K.'s National Collaborating Centre for Mental Health found.
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Abortion Not A Mental Health Risk But Unwanted Pregnancies Are, Studies Find

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Bucky said:
Thank you Cal Thomas; ALL lives matter.



Cal Thomas: Those who chose life don't have regrets
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here is the portion of that essay i want to comment about:
Women I have met who had an abortion have told me of their deep remorse and being ignorant of alternatives.
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my wife and i were confronted with an unplanned pregnancy. we aborted and here is why we are certain we made the correct choice

the tests on that embryo determined that if it survived birth, the child would live a terrible existence because of its medical conditions
my wife and i would not have had another child, being devoted to the care of a medically dependent child

soon after the abortion, my wife again became pregnant. and four years later pregnant again
both are wonderful adults. my 31 year old son is planning to retire in a few years. he is trying to figure out how he can serve society in his second career, no longer needing financial compensation. if you own a smart phone, you likely have on it software that he coded
my younger daughter sells medical equipment, having begun her career managing a medical practice
these are healthy, contributing adults, who are a benefit to society
neither of whom would be on this planet had my wife and i decided against an abortion
which is why i must call bull**** on your OP's premise
 
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justabubba said:
here is the portion of that essay i want to comment about:


my wife and i were confronted with an unplanned pregnancy. we aborted and here is why we are certain we made the correct choice

the tests on that embryo determined that if it survived birth, the child would live a terrible existence because of its medical conditions
my wife and i would not have had another child, being devoted to the care of a medically dependent child

soon after the abortion, my wife again became pregnant. and four years later pregnant again
both are wonderful adults. my 31 year old son is planning to retire in a few years. he is trying to figure out how he can serve society in his second career, no longer needing financial compensation. if you own a smart phone, you likely have on it software that he coded
my younger daughter sells medical equipment, having begun her career managing a medical practice
these are healthy, contributing adults, who are a benefit to society
neither of whom would be on this planet had my wife and i decided against an abortion
which is why i must call bull**** on your OP's premise
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Some right-wing evangelicals would like to get the U.S. government off of Wall Street's back and into every American bedroom controlling every American's private life. That's not going to happen. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.

Wait and see.




"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~ Ronald Reagan

IOW: You mind your business, I'll mind my business and we'll all have happier lives.

:lol:
 
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Bucky said:
Thank you Cal Thomas; ALL lives matter.



Cal Thomas: Those who chose life don't have regrets
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The first paragraph only takes into account his own interviews with certain women. The second fear mongering paragraph/sentence is actually false, since abortion has actually been credited with part of the reason that crime has gone down. The third paragraph is again completely false, there are plenty of unwanted children living in foster homes today, that will never be taken care of by a loving family.
 
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Bucky said:
Thank you Cal Thomas; ALL lives matter.



Cal Thomas: Those who chose life don't have regrets
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While all well and good, still does not provide a valid reason why a woman should not retain the right to not have a baby she either does not want or can afford. Better education, access to birth control, and adoption options are also all go ways to reduce abortions but they are also no reason to remove a woman's rights.
 
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Eh. Regret requires some kind of moral compass, humanity, or conscience.

For some, that's a bridge too far - and those are exactly the sort we should be locking in a prison cell forever.
 
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JayDubya said:
Eh. Regret requires some kind of moral compass, humanity, or conscience.

For some, that's a bridge too far - and those are exactly the sort we should be locking in a prison cell forever.
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Too bad for you that you will never get the opportunity, ROTFLMAO:lamo
 
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Casper said:
Too bad for you that you will never get the opportunity, ROTFLMAO:lamo
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Too bad for civilization.

Not that from your comments you'd know much about that.
 
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JayDubya said:
Too bad for civilization.

Not that from your comments you'd know much about that.
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Good to know you accept reality.

I have forgotten more about civilization and history than you will even know.
 
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In the Turn-away study ( a five study ) most of the women in the study secured the abortion they sought (and 97 percent did not regret it.

More info on Turn Away Study:

Turnaway Study | ANSIRH
 
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JayDubya said:
Eh. Regret requires some kind of moral compass, humanity, or conscience.

For some, that's a bridge too far - and those are exactly the sort we should be locking in a prison cell forever.
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Nah. We need to elect them to high office so they can lock those who intimidate and threaten women seeking a legal medical procedure in prison.
 
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Bucky said:
Thank you Cal Thomas; ALL lives matter.

Cal Thomas: Those who chose life don't have regrets
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So... he's polling women who decided to go to an anti-choice organization for pregnancy advice, and extrapolating their feelings to all women? Gee, seems legit. :roll:

In reality, here's how the stats work out.

Abortion regret is rare. Under 5%.

Parenthood regret, however, is so common that it shocked even me. Studies are scarce, but it's estimated at about 15%.

The good news is that those numbers are falling rapidly. They were closer to 30% in the 70's. And it's probably because more people are feeling empowered to only have kids when the time is right for them, or not have them at all if they don't want them.

Choice makes better parents.
 
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calamity said:
Nah. We need to elect them to high office so they can lock those who intimidate and threaten women seeking a legal medical procedure in prison.
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Somehow, it is not surprising you would want a sociopathic killer for your leader.
 
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JayDubya said:
Somehow, it is not surprising you would want a sociopathic killer for your leader.
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You mean someone who unflinchingly enforces the law? You betcha.
 
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
Choice makes better parents.
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Wait what...you mean people who make a choice to be a parent are better at it than people who are forced into being a parent????

You got any FACTS to back that up???? ;)
 
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calamity said:
You mean someone who unflinchingly enforces the law? You betcha.
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No I meant precisely what I said, and you've confirmed its accuracy.
 
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JayDubya said:
No I meant precisely what I said, and you've confirmed its accuracy.
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Well, since you don't believe in the laws of the land, I can see exactly why you would shudder at the thought of someone staunchly enforcing abortion rights coming to power.
 
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