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The humanity of prenatal life in human womb cannot be denied

'K. Have it your way.

Explain to me why you think they should have a right to harm another's body against their will, when no other person does, regardless of intent, innocence, or even awareness.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
'K. Have it your way.

Explain to me why you think they should have a right to harm another's body against their will, when no other person does, regardless of intent, innocence, or even awareness.
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Pregnancy is harming your body?
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
'K. Have it your way.

Explain to me why you think they should have a right to harm another's body against their will, when no other person does, regardless of intent, innocence, or even awareness.
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Against their will? If you risk killing the little one for the gooey feel of a quick trick. ... I don't see how the girl's rights should override the innicent's.
 
joG said:
Against their will? If you risk killing the little one for the gooey feel of a quick trick. ... I don't see how the girl's rights should override the innicent's.
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Well, you should keep that in mind next time you take a shortcut home and get mugged. Just stand there and let them do whatever to you. After all, you asked for it by wanting to get home, didn't you?

Just more slut shaming bull****, which always makes the real issue to anti-choicers clear: hatred of women enjoying sex on their own terms.
 
WCH said:
Pregnancy is harming your body?
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Mine? God no. I'm fixed. ;)

But in general, yes. It disables the immune system resulting in illness, depletes the bones, and causes injury invariably. That is all pregnancies -- even the completely textbook ones. And then there's all the hundreds of even more serious complications, some of which affect as much as half of pregnant women, and some of which are permanent or get progressively worse even after pregnancy is over.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Well, you should keep that in mind next time you take a shortcut home and get mugged. Just stand there and let them do whatever to you. After all, you asked for it by wanting to get home, didn't you?

Just more slut shaming bull****, which always makes the real issue to anti-choicers clear: hatred of women enjoying sex on their own terms.
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The fact you place enjoyment over life is sickening.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Mine? God no. I'm fixed. ;)

But in general, yes. It disables the immune system resulting in illness, depletes the bones, and causes injury invariably. That is all pregnancies -- even the completely textbook ones. And then there's all the hundreds of even more serious complications, some of which affect as much as half of pregnant women, and some of which are permanent or get progressively worse even after pregnancy is over.
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I suspect many of those problems are associated with life-style choices and contraception, not the pregnancy itself.
 
WCH said:
The fact you place enjoyment over life is sickening.
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I don't. I simply don't think anyone has a right to punish women for enjoyment, by regarding children as nothing but billy clubs, as you do.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
'K. Have it your way.

Explain to me why you think they should have a right to harm another's body against their will, when no other person does, regardless of intent, innocence, or even awareness.
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Under what delusional pretense do you think anything of the sort is happening?

Because back here in reality, of course, it isn't.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Mine? God no. I'm fixed. ;)

But in general, yes. It disables the immune system resulting in illness, depletes the bones, and causes injury invariably. That is all pregnancies -- even the completely textbook ones. And then there's all the hundreds of even more serious complications, some of which affect as much as half of pregnant women, and some of which are permanent or get progressively worse even after pregnancy is over.
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Pregnancy is certainly a mixed bag, but it also has benefits.
 
WCH said:
I suspect many of those problems are associated with life-style choices and contraception, not the pregnancy itself.
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No, they aren't.

The immune deficiency is mandatory for the pregnancy to exist at all. Otherwise the woman's body would kill it instantly as a foreign invader.

Bone depletion is self-explanatory. Where do you think the material comes from? The sky?

Injury is also self-explanatory.

And all of these are unpreventable facts of every single pregnancy.

The great majority of other complications are also unpreventable. Human pregnancy and birth has always been relatively high-risk compared to many mammals. And it was the #1 killer of women for all of time before modern medicine.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
And that's for every woman to decide for herself, isn't it.
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Sure. Before engaging in sexual reproduction.

Oddly enough it does right what it says on the tin - reproduces.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Well, you should keep that in mind next time you take a shortcut home and get mugged. Just stand there and let them do whatever to you. After all, you asked for it by wanting to get home, didn't you?

Just more slut shaming bull****, which always makes the real issue to anti-choicers clear: hatred of women enjoying sex on their own terms.
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I think it wise to take a cab. But let's talk the usual cases. When that is clear, we will turn to the special tradeoff situations.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
I don't. I simply don't think anyone has a right to punish women for enjoyment, by regarding children as nothing but billy clubs, as you do.
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Punishment for enjoyment vs punishment by death for being procreated to life, which is worse and which is wrong?
 
joG said:
I think it wise to take a cab. But let's talk the usual cases. When that is clear, we will turn to the special tradeoff situations.
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And there was just a story about a cabbie shooting a bunch of people. :shrug:

So, no help for you, since you were asking for it?
 
dolphinocean said:
Punishment for enjoyment vs punishment by death for being procreated to life, which is worse and which is wrong?
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Not to mention the fact that kids are not a punishment and her attempt to label them as such is absurd.

It is pro-abort radicals like Barack Obama who call children "punishments," not us in the anti-abortion camp.
 
dolphinocean said:
Punishment for enjoyment vs punishment by death for being procreated to life, which is worse and which is wrong?
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Are you proposing the former as being in anything short of sadistically evil?

The latter is not a punishment any more than any defence of personal integrity is.
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
The title is correct. There is no need for other pro choicers to deny the humanity of the unborn human in anyway. Feel free to correct others if you so choose to.
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Pro choicers don't deny that the zef is genetically human.
 
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