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George Carlin: Pro Life, Abortion, And The Sanctity Of Life

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ttwtt78640 said:
One can be against prohibition but not for using recreational drugs personally and against taxpayers funding free drinks/drugs. The same is true for abortion - one can be for the allowing the option yet never use it themselves or demand that taxpayers fund it.
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I understand that. But most of the people who argue for abortion aren't in that camp. In fact, quite the opposite is true. Have you heard any of the so-called "pro-choicers" on this board argue in favor of defunding Planned Parenthood?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
One can be against prohibition but not for using recreational drugs personally and against taxpayers funding free drinks/drugs. The same is true for abortion - one can be for the allowing the option yet never use it themselves or demand that taxpayers fund it.
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It's gets a bit suspicious when they only speak positively about abortion.
 
countryboy said:
I understand that. But most of the people who argue for abortion aren't in that camp. In fact, quite the opposite is true. Have you heard any of the so-called "pro-choicers" on this board argue in favor of defunding Planned Parenthood?
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No, but the fact remains that there is a huge middle ground between banning something and making others pay for it. Many, of the leftist persuasion, see choice (access?) as meaning that something must be given away to those that cannot (or will not) pay for it themselves. That has nothing to do with a right to have elective medical procedures. A right to get a nose job or a tummy tuck does not mean that it must be taxpayer funded.
 
tosca1 said:
Murder is deliberate killing. We made murder a crime. That's why it' against the law.

This is SANCTIONED murder! On this one, we made it legal.
It's the same as it was legal to steal from the Jews, or to murder them during Hitler's time....because it was sanctioned.
And the reason why it became acceptable for that society was because they stripped Jews of their humanity, or personhood.
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Incorrect. Murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of a person by a person. If it's legal, it CANNOT be murder.

Abortion has never been classed as murder in Canada or the USA. Ever.
 
Scrabaholic said:
"He" doesn't get a choice about being born, either, does "he"?
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I agree, the use of the term Pro-Choice is an attempt to show us that it's not about the killings but about a choice for women, even though it's not about women at all. It never will be and it never has been.

That's something that the left never seem to understand. Although when you really think about it, you realize that they actually know the same things we know. We both agree. Isn't that a gas? You can be left or right. We all agree that abortion kills babies, and that fetuses are babies, and that abortion is wrong. So what's the problem?

The problem is that liberals are still against it anyway, so they falsely deny it. They just don't really care about babies because they have a reason to deny it. They just don't want us to know why. And that is the meaning of hidden agenda.

It's that easy.
 
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RamFel said:
I agree, the use of the term Pro-Choice is an attempt to show us that it's not about the killings but about a choice for women, even though it's not about women at all. It never will be and it never has been.

That's something that the left never seem to understand. Although when you really think about it, you realize that they actually know the same things we know. We both agree. Isn't that a gas? You can be left or right. We all agree that abortion kills babies, and that fetuses are babies, and that abortion is wrong. So what's the problem?

The problem is that liberals are still against it anyway, so they falsely deny it. They just don't really care about babies because they have a reason to deny it. They just don't want us to know why. And that is the meaning of hidden agenda.

It's that easy.
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Actually it's entirely about choice.

The woman is choosing to have a developing human being removed from her body.

It's not about "murdering" the fetus, it's about removing an unwanted growth.
 
Absentglare said:
Actually it's entirely about choice.

The woman is choosing to have a developing human being removed from her body.

It's not about "murdering" the fetus, it's about removing an unwanted growth.
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Well, there you go folks. A demonstration in pro-abortionism.
 
RamFel said:
Yes, and yet they always prove you wrong because, guess what, they're based on logic and common sense, both missing from your statements.
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I see you didnt understand what I wrote: you have never proven anything (intentionally) in this sub-forum.
 
Absentglare said:
Actually it's entirely about choice.

The woman is choosing to have a developing human being removed from her body.

It's not about "murdering" the fetus, it's about removing an unwanted growth.
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What a mindlessly hateful thing to say. Other human beings are not "growths."

Thank you for demonstrating exactly the pro-abortion mentality and why it is so contemptible.
 
joG said:
Then it would be nice, if you showed it.
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If you would produce something coherant on either subject...not cut and paste or pseudo-intellectual dogma.... I'd be happy to respond to it appropriately.
 
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countryboy said:
I understand that. But most of the people who argue for abortion aren't in that camp. In fact, quite the opposite is true. Have you heard any of the so-called "pro-choicers" on this board argue in favor of defunding Planned Parenthood?
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what kind of proof do you have to support that biased speculation?

And why would pro-choice people argue to defund an organization that supports family planning and women's reproductive health services and birth control? (Why would anyone???)
 
Scrabaholic said:
Incorrect. Murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of a person by a person. If it's legal, it CANNOT be murder.

Abortion has never been classed as murder in Canada or the USA. Ever.
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Murder is unlawful (because we made it a criminal act - hence, it's unlawful). Manslaughter is unlawful, too!


Here's the definition of murder from Merriam's:

MURDER - the crime of.......... deliberately killing a person

Murder | Definition of murder by Merriam-Webster





What is manslaughter? Does it not involved the killing of a person, too? Then, how come it isn't called murder?


The primary distinction between murder and manslaughter is that murder has a specific intent to kill.


Manslaughter Vs Murder - criminal | Laws.com




Just because the law has not considered abortion as murder, does not necessarily mean that it isn't an act of murder.


Pre-1960s
Abortion laws in the U.S. before Roe.
At the time of the independence of the United States, English common law on abortion applied in most of the then states, and abortion was not permitted after quickening, that is after the start of fetal movements. James Wilson, a framer of the U.S. Constitution, explained the view as follows:

“ With consistency, beautiful and undeviating, human life, from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law. In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and, in some cases, from every degree of danger.[6] ”


Abortions became illegal by statute in Britain in 1803 and various anti-abortion statutes began to appear in the United States from the 1820s codifying or expanding the common law rules. In 1821, a Connecticut law targeted apothecaries who sold "poisons" to women for purposes of inducing an abortion; and New York made post-quickening abortions a felony and pre-quickening abortions a misdemeanor eight years later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States
 
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RamFel said:
Yeah, big shot. Except you forgot three things;

1. No evidence.
2. No logic.
3. No common sense.

And if you don't have 2 and 3, then as a result, you also don't have number 1.

And guess what?

You don't have numbers 2 and 3.

See my signature.
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Weird you STILL didnt do what was asked of you all you did is make up excuses LMAO, as usual your post fails again and you cant back up the lie you posted. Maybe in your NEXT post you'll do what was asked you:lamo Or a better solution is simply dont post lies and other things you cant back up.

Who wants to bet the request is dodge again?
 
tosca1 said:
Murder is unlawful (because we made it a criminal act - hence, it's unlawful). Manslaughter is unlawful, too!


Here's the definition of murder from Merriam's:

MURDER - the crime of.......... deliberately killing a person

Murder | Definition of murder by Merriam-Webster





What is manslaughter? Does it not involved the killing of a person, too? Then, how come it isn't called murder?


The primary distinction between murder and manslaughter is that murder has a specific intent to kill.


Manslaughter Vs Murder - criminal | Laws.com
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Er the part you seem to be missing, altho you wrote it big enough...is that murder and manslaughter are *crimes.*

Abortion is not, so it is neither of those things.
 
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Actually it's entirely about choice.

The woman is choosing to have a developing human being removed from her body.

It's not about "murdering" the fetus, it's about removing an unwanted growth.
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On one hand you're acknowledging the fetus is a human being......and yet you refer to him as a "growth."
What an evil thing to say. Human life has no worth. And some people don't even mind saying that publicly.
Need we wonder about the increased disregard for human life by so many young people today who commit mass murders?

From a religious perspective, I can see how abortion is the work of the devil.
Something that leads to all sorts of depravities and moral corruption can only be the work of the devil.
 
Lursa said:
Er the part you seem to be missing, altho you wrote it big enough...is that murder and manslaughter are *crimes.*
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Read again. You must've missed this part:

Manslaughter is unlawful, too!



If it's unlawful - it must be a crime.
 
RamFel said:
I agree, the use of the term Pro-Choice is an attempt to show us that it's not about the killings but about a choice for women, even though it's not about women at all. It never will be and it never has been.

That's something that the left never seem to understand. Although when you really think about it, you realize that they actually know the same things we know. We both agree. Isn't that a gas? You can be left or right. We all agree that abortion kills babies, and that fetuses are babies, and that abortion is wrong. So what's the problem?

The problem is that liberals are still against it anyway, so they falsely deny it. They just don't really care about babies because they have a reason to deny it. They just don't want us to know why. And that is the meaning of hidden agenda.

It's that easy.
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Your reply has nothing to do with the post of mine that you are responding to.
 
tosca1 said:
Murder is unlawful (because we made it a criminal act - hence, it's unlawful). Manslaughter is unlawful, too!


Here's the definition of murder from Merriam's:

MURDER - the crime of.......... deliberately killing a person

Murder | Definition of murder by Merriam-Webster


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Why didn't you post the full definition? Perhaps because it proves you wrong? From your link (bold is mine):

Full Definition of MURDER

1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
2a : something very difficult or dangerous <the traffic was murder>
b : something outrageous or blameworthy <getting away with murder>
 
Scrabaholic said:
Why didn't you post the full definition? Perhaps because it proves you wrong? From your link (bold is mine):

Full Definition of MURDER

1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
2a : something very difficult or dangerous <the traffic was murder>
b : something outrageous or blameworthy <getting away with murder>
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:lol:

How does it prove me wrong?

Criminal is a synonym for unlawful. Unlawful Synonyms, Unlawful Antonyms | Thesaurus.com

Murder is a crime because it's against the law (unlawful)!
And what is "aforethought?" Premeditated. With intent.

Is causing the death of a person by accident a crime?
You unconsciously dropped a banana peel, someone steps on it and slipped, and hit their head and died because of the peel that you dropped....is that a crime?

Here's a sample:

Salem woman's death an accident, not a crime
Salem woman's death an accident, not a crime - Eagle-Tribune: Local News


That's why the definition has to specifically say, The CRIME of UNLAWFULLY killing a person.


As for the rest....
We're not talking about traffic, although yeah.....you pro-choice people want women to get away with murder!

Context. You don't give all the definitions just because they're given in the dictionary - you choose what's within context.
 
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countryboy said:
That's what I am attempting to do. Is not what you just said "word games"? Why can't you answer a simple question? Are you anti-abortion?
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What does that even mean?
 
tosca1 said:
I suppose you and Carlin never heard about the UN declaration of the Rights of a Child?
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And you called Carlin ignorant. Care to point out where in the UN declaration is there a single word against abortion?
 
countryboy said:
If one is not anti-abortion, they can only be pro-abortion. Wait, lemme guess, your position is more "nuanced" :roll:
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Just out of curiosity, what do you call a person who really does not care whether a woman does or does not have an abortion but opposes other from dictating to her what to do?
 
RamFel said:
Well, there you go folks. A demonstration in pro-abortionism.
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I'm in favor of letting people make decisions about surgery on their own body.

I don't know why you're so against it.

JayDubya said:
What a mindlessly hateful thing to say. Other human beings are not "growths."

Thank you for demonstrating exactly the pro-abortion mentality and why it is so contemptible.
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A fertilized egg will grow into a fetus. In the case of an unwanted pregnancy, it is justifiably called an unwanted growth.

In what sane world should a victim of rape be further subjected to forcibly hosting a developing human that behaves like a parasite for 9 months ?
 
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