Man tricked ex into miscarriage with abortion-pill smoothie

Scrabaholic · Mar 12, 2015

A Norwegian man who slipped abortion pills into his ex-girlfriend’s smoothie and caused her to have a miscarriage claims it was “the only way out.”

The 26-year-old pleaded guilty Monday to inflicting serious bodily harm and also to terminating a pregnancy without the mother’s consent. The prosecution wants a seven-year sentence.

The 20-year-old woman lost the baby in her 12th week of pregnancy, following the man’s second attempt to sneak her abortion pills. The first time he tried passing off the pills, which he bought online, as painkillers.

“He tried several times to convince me to have an abortion but it was not an option for me,” the woman told a court in Trondheim, reports the Norwegian public broadcaster NRK.

Man tricked ex into miscarriage with abortion-pill smoothie | New York Post

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What this man did is just as bad as forcing a woman to gestate against her will - he took her choice (to gestate) away from her. I hope he gets the 7 years the prosecution is asking for, though I think that is a bit lenient.

CanadaJohn · Mar 12, 2015

I agree - but how would you feel if he was tricked into the pregnancy.

Suppose they had discussed, as a couple, that they wouldn't have children unless they were married and later in life and suppose she told him she was taking all the necessary precautions but wasn't because she wanted to get married and she thought getting pregnant would get her the ring.

Would that be wrong and punishable?

Lursa · Mar 12, 2015

Scrabaholic said:
A Norwegian man who slipped abortion pills into his ex-girlfriend’s smoothie and caused her to have a miscarriage claims it was “the only way out.”

The 26-year-old pleaded guilty Monday to inflicting serious bodily harm and also to terminating a pregnancy without the mother’s consent. The prosecution wants a seven-year sentence.

The 20-year-old woman lost the baby in her 12th week of pregnancy, following the man’s second attempt to sneak her abortion pills. The first time he tried passing off the pills, which he bought online, as painkillers.

“He tried several times to convince me to have an abortion but it was not an option for me,” the woman told a court in Trondheim, reports the Norwegian public broadcaster NRK.

Man tricked ex into miscarriage with abortion-pill smoothie | New York Post

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What this man did is just as bad as forcing a woman to gestate against her will - he took her choice (to gestate) away from her. I hope he gets the 7 years the prosecution is asking for, though I think that is a bit lenient.

Yes, men can become very dangerous when they feel 'trapped' by an accidental pregnancy. They did a Law and Order: SVU on a guy that did something similar, serially, to women. And then one died from it.

Of course, the more traditional method is 'the donkey punch' or just killing the woman and unborn, period (see: Scott Peterson and 10s of thousands of men throughout history).

And then there is the less physical method that I heard Tom Lykiss recommending: The Hail Mary. This is where the man tells the woman he'll marry her but that they just cant afford a kid "yet." He proposes, she agrees to an abortion, and then after the procedure, the guy dumps her.

Lursa · Mar 12, 2015

CanadaJohn said:
I agree - but how would you feel if he was tricked into the pregnancy.

Suppose they had discussed, as a couple, that they wouldn't have children unless they were married and later in life and suppose she told him she was taking all the necessary precautions but wasn't because she wanted to get married and she thought getting pregnant would get her the ring.

Would that be wrong and punishable?

Absolutely. Why do you feel that you have to ask? As for punishable tho....cheating, lying, things like that are often left, by the law, up to couples to work out. Marriage is no guarantee of character.

Aunt Spiker · Mar 12, 2015

Scrabaholic said:
A Norwegian man who slipped abortion pills into his ex-girlfriend’s smoothie and caused her to have a miscarriage claims it was “the only way out.”

The 26-year-old pleaded guilty Monday to inflicting serious bodily harm and also to terminating a pregnancy without the mother’s consent. The prosecution wants a seven-year sentence.

The 20-year-old woman lost the baby in her 12th week of pregnancy, following the man’s second attempt to sneak her abortion pills. The first time he tried passing off the pills, which he bought online, as painkillers.

“He tried several times to convince me to have an abortion but it was not an option for me,” the woman told a court in Trondheim, reports the Norwegian public broadcaster NRK.

Man tricked ex into miscarriage with abortion-pill smoothie | New York Post

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What this man did is just as bad as forcing a woman to gestate against her will - he took her choice (to gestate) away from her. I hope he gets the 7 years the prosecution is asking for, though I think that is a bit lenient.

The article is so unclear / vague I feel I can't drawn certain opinions on things.

Like: If he was her EX and he was adamantly against the abortion then how did he come into close proximity with her food - in private - in order to slip in pills?

To me, this says 'she still trusted him'.

Why did she trust him?

Crovax · Mar 12, 2015

Scrabaholic said:
A Norwegian man who slipped abortion pills into his ex-girlfriend’s smoothie and caused her to have a miscarriage claims it was “the only way out.”

The 26-year-old pleaded guilty Monday to inflicting serious bodily harm and also to terminating a pregnancy without the mother’s consent. The prosecution wants a seven-year sentence.

The 20-year-old woman lost the baby in her 12th week of pregnancy, following the man’s second attempt to sneak her abortion pills. The first time he tried passing off the pills, which he bought online, as painkillers.

“He tried several times to convince me to have an abortion but it was not an option for me,” the woman told a court in Trondheim, reports the Norwegian public broadcaster NRK.

Man tricked ex into miscarriage with abortion-pill smoothie | New York Post

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What this man did is just as bad as forcing a woman to gestate against her will - he took her choice (to gestate) away from her. I hope he gets the 7 years the prosecution is asking for, though I think that is a bit lenient.

Just a man exercises his right to choose

Lursa · Mar 12, 2015

Crovax said:
Just a man exercises his right to choose

So it's ok for him to completely infringe on her rights, including possibly killing her?

I realize you wrote that "tongue in cheek" but I also believe you meant it, even if you didnt agree with what he did.

Fletch · Mar 12, 2015

Lursa said:
So it's ok for him to completely infringe on her rights, including possibly killing her?

I realize you wrote that "tongue in cheek" but I also believe you meant it, even if you didnt agree with what he did.

Its not like there was a child in there so I don't see how he committed a crime in that regard. In fact, he helped remove something that was 'enslaving' her. Too bad for him there weren't enough abortionists on the jury.

Lursa · Mar 12, 2015

Fletch said:
Its not like there was a child in there so I don't see how he committed a crime in that regard. In fact, he helped remove something that was 'enslaving' her. Too bad for him there weren't enough abortionists on the jury.

So you are saying he didnt infringe on the woman's rights and put her life and health at risk?

Jerry · Mar 12, 2015

Scrabaholic said:
A Norwegian man who slipped abortion pills into his ex-girlfriend’s smoothie and caused her to have a miscarriage claims it was “the only way out.”

The 26-year-old pleaded guilty Monday to inflicting serious bodily harm and also to terminating a pregnancy without the mother’s consent. The prosecution wants a seven-year sentence.

The 20-year-old woman lost the baby in her 12th week of pregnancy, following the man’s second attempt to sneak her abortion pills. The first time he tried passing off the pills, which he bought online, as painkillers.

“He tried several times to convince me to have an abortion but it was not an option for me,” the woman told a court in Trondheim, reports the Norwegian public broadcaster NRK.

Man tricked ex into miscarriage with abortion-pill smoothie | New York Post

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What this man did is just as bad as forcing a woman to gestate against her will - he took her choice (to gestate) away from her. I hope he gets the 7 years the prosecution is asking for, though I think that is a bit lenient.

It's just a clump of cells, get over it. Yeah he forced her to basically have a tapeworm removed against her will, but he's pleading guilty, not trying to get away with it. Accepting responsibility for his actions is a somewhat redeeming quality. In 7 years he'll have a chance to find a better mate and move on with his life, not having to pay for a child who will grow up to resent him. I hope this is a learning experience for both of them.

Jerry · Mar 12, 2015

Aunt Spiker said:
The article is so unclear / vague I feel I can't drawn certain opinions on things.

Like: If he was her EX and he was adamantly against the abortion then how did he come into close proximity with her food - in private - in order to slip in pills?

To me, this says 'she still trusted him'.

Why did she trust him?

Access to food is not so difficult a thing. "Hey let's go out and talk about having this baby". He's familiar and she felt safe around him even-though the intimate relationship failed, she had a sense of security. She'll eventually drop her guard, women always do, all he had to do was be ready when an opportunity presented itself.

I wonder how long he waited for an opening before she finally stepped away from a smoothie; you can't just put that stuff into any drink, it has a taste. Dropping it into, say, a fountain drink wouldn't do at all.

Fletch · Mar 12, 2015

Lursa said:
So you are saying he didnt infringe on the woman's rights and put her life and health at risk?

Was her life and health at risk? I suppose this would be a form of assault, but nothing more.

Scrabaholic · Mar 12, 2015

CanadaJohn said:
I agree - but how would you feel if he was tricked into the pregnancy.

Suppose they had discussed, as a couple, that they wouldn't have children unless they were married and later in life and suppose she told him she was taking all the necessary precautions but wasn't because she wanted to get married and she thought getting pregnant would get her the ring.

Would that be wrong and punishable?

It would definitely be wrong and if it could be proven, he shouldn't have to pay support.

Scrabaholic · Mar 12, 2015

Aunt Spiker said:
The article is so unclear / vague I feel I can't drawn certain opinions on things.

Like: If he was her EX and he was adamantly against the abortion then how did he come into close proximity with her food - in private - in order to slip in pills?

To me, this says 'she still trusted him'.

Why did she trust him?

I wondered the same thing, especially since he had tried it before. However, what he did was still wrong.

Lursa · Mar 12, 2015

Fletch said:
Was her life and health at risk? I suppose this would be a form of assault, but nothing more.

OK, well, assault is against the law. Right?

Killing her would be murder, probably 2nd degree.

Fletch · Mar 12, 2015

Lursa said:
OK, well, assault is against the law. Right?

Killing her would be murder, probably 2nd degree.

But this is about the same as a boyfriend slipping some weight loss pills in his fat girlfriends smoothie. Hardly worth 7 years in prison.

Jerry · Mar 12, 2015

Lursa said:
OK, well, assault is against the law. Right?

Yup, and he's pleading guilty. He would rather go to prison for 7 years than have a child with her. He appears to have known the consequences before hand and is accepting them.

Lursa · Mar 12, 2015

Fletch said:
But this is about the same as a boyfriend slipping some weight loss pills in his fat girlfriends smoothie. Hardly worth 7 years in prison.

It is if she reacts badly to the pills and has permanent damage of some sort or dies.

Lursa · Mar 12, 2015

Jerry said:
Yup, and he's pleading guilty. He would rather go to prison for 7 years than have a child with her. He appears to have known the consequences before hand and is accepting them.

Works for me!

Except that now Canadian taxpayers are paying for him. Too bad, since they arent responsible for his behavior.

Jerry · Mar 12, 2015

Lursa said:
Works for me!

Works for him, too.

Lursa said:
Except that now Canadian taxpayers are paying for him. Too bad, since they arent responsible for his behavior.

The government could always imprison him for 1 year and make the rest probation. I would support this since the woman will undoubtedly sue him civilly and his having a job would help her be paid whatever judgment the court awards out of that case.

Fletch · Mar 12, 2015

Lursa said:
It is if she reacts badly to the pills and has permanent damage of some sort or dies.

Of course. Had he harmed her or killed her the penalty would be higher. But he didn't. If someone slaps you in the face it is simple assault. If someone slaps you in the face and you fall down a flight of stairs and break your neck, the perpetrator will be looking at a murder charge.

Lursa · Mar 12, 2015

Jerry said:
Works for him, too.

The government could always imprison him for 1 year and make the rest probation. I would support this since the woman will undoubtedly sue him civilly and his having a job would help her be paid whatever judgment the court awards out of that case.

Jerry said:
Works for him, too.

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Lursa · Mar 12, 2015

Fletch said:
Of course. Had he harmed her or killed her the penalty would be higher. But he didn't. If someone slaps you in the face it is simple assault. If someone slaps you in the face and you fall down a flight of stairs and break your neck, the perpetrator will be looking at a murder charge.

In this case, he caused her harm....miscarriages...in this case a forced miscarriage....are harm.

Fletch · Mar 12, 2015

Lursa said:
In this case, he caused her harm....miscarriages...in this case a forced miscarriage....are harm.

How was she harmed? Miscarriages happen all the time without harming the woman.

kerussll · Mar 12, 2015

CanadaJohn said:
I agree - but how would you feel if he was tricked into the pregnancy.

Suppose they had discussed, as a couple, that they wouldn't have children unless they were married and later in life and suppose she told him she was taking all the necessary precautions but wasn't because she wanted to get married and she thought getting pregnant would get her the ring.

Would that be wrong and punishable?

The only way to "trick a man into pregnancy" that I can think of would be to steal his sperm without his knowledge. In that case, the woman should be charged with a crime of course. That is equally reprehensible.

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