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Man tricked ex into miscarriage with abortion-pill smoothie

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Fletch said:
But this is about the same as a boyfriend slipping some weight loss pills in his fat girlfriends smoothie. Hardly worth 7 years in prison.
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That guy should go to jail too.
 
Scrabaholic said:
A Norwegian man who slipped abortion pills into his ex-girlfriend’s smoothie and caused her to have a miscarriage claims it was “the only way out.”

The 26-year-old pleaded guilty Monday to inflicting serious bodily harm and also to terminating a pregnancy without the mother’s consent. The prosecution wants a seven-year sentence.

The 20-year-old woman lost the baby in her 12th week of pregnancy, following the man’s second attempt to sneak her abortion pills. The first time he tried passing off the pills, which he bought online, as painkillers.

“He tried several times to convince me to have an abortion but it was not an option for me,” the woman told a court in Trondheim, reports the Norwegian public broadcaster NRK.

Man tricked ex into miscarriage with abortion-pill smoothie | New York Post

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What this man did is just as bad as forcing a woman to gestate against her will - he took her choice (to gestate) away from her. I hope he gets the 7 years the prosecution is asking for, though I think that is a bit lenient.
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Good lord, what a piece of work.

This has happened in America as well, and I'm glad to see the charges in Norway actually acknowledge the harm to the woman. They don't, in America. So that's a start, anyway.
 
Lursa said:
In this case, he caused her harm....miscarriages...in this case a forced miscarriage....are harm.
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Right, and he's pleading guilty. This isn't the hanis crime against humanity you want it to be. This is little diferent than women who broke the law to have illegal abortions; those who were charged also accepted the consiquense of their actions.

This is why people shouldn't risk pregnancy until they're in a stable, loving relationship.
 
Scrabaholic said:
A Norwegian man who slipped abortion pills into his ex-girlfriend’s smoothie and caused her to have a miscarriage claims it was “the only way out.”

The 26-year-old pleaded guilty Monday to inflicting serious bodily harm and also to terminating a pregnancy without the mother’s consent. The prosecution wants a seven-year sentence.

The 20-year-old woman lost the baby in her 12th week of pregnancy, following the man’s second attempt to sneak her abortion pills. The first time he tried passing off the pills, which he bought online, as painkillers.

“He tried several times to convince me to have an abortion but it was not an option for me,” the woman told a court in Trondheim, reports the Norwegian public broadcaster NRK.

Man tricked ex into miscarriage with abortion-pill smoothie | New York Post

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What this man did is just as bad as forcing a woman to gestate against her will - he took her choice (to gestate) away from her. I hope he gets the 7 years the prosecution is asking for, though I think that is a bit lenient.
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yep im fine with that sentence and would be fine if it was more
giving somebody prescription drugs against thier will, without the supervision of a DR and drugs that could cause bodily harm and even death is and should be a serious crime. Was it real life or Law and order LOL where that was done and since it wasnt under supervision of a dr the women had serious complications and died during the miscarriage. Anyway jokes aside its a very serious crime and the later its done the more sever i think the punishment should be and after viability it should be even worse.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I agree - but how would you feel if he was tricked into the pregnancy.

Suppose they had discussed, as a couple, that they wouldn't have children unless they were married and later in life and suppose she told him she was taking all the necessary precautions but wasn't because she wanted to get married and she thought getting pregnant would get her the ring.

Would that be wrong and punishable?
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In no universe is that an excuse to poison someone.

Punishable? If you can show it, yes, I think it absolutely should be. Reproductive coersion should be taken as a serious crime in all its forms.

But still no excuse to poison someone.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
In no universe is that an excuse to poison someone.

Punishable? If you can show it, yes, I think it absolutely should be. Reproductive coersion should be taken as a serious crime in all its forms.

But still no excuse to poison someone.
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An excuse is an attempt to avoid responsibility. He's accepting responsibility.
 
Jerry said:
Right, and he's pleading guilty. This isn't the hanis crime against humanity you want it to be. This is little diferent than women who broke the law to have illegal abortions; those who were charged also accepted the consiquense of their actions.

This is why people shouldn't risk pregnancy until they're in a stable, loving relationship.
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Never even implied it (bold).

I said it did infringe on a woman's rights. Life, health (pursuit of happiness), bodily sovereignty, etc.
 
Jerry said:
An excuse is an attempt to avoid responsibility. He's accepting responsibility.
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Only after he got caught.

He certainly attempted to avoid the responsibility of being a father.
 
Lursa said:
So it's ok for him to completely infringe on her rights, including possibly killing her?

I realize you wrote that "tongue in cheek" but I also believe you meant it, even if you didnt agree with what he did.
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If you view a fetus as just "property" he tosses her a couple of 20s and all square

However if you view a fetus as a child its a travesty
 
Crovax said:
If you view a fetus as just "property" he tosses her a couple of 20s and all square

However if you view a fetus as a child its a travesty
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I dont view them as either.
 
Jerry said:
Yup, and he's pleading guilty. He would rather go to prison for 7 years than have a child with her. He appears to have known the consequences before hand and is accepting them.
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There is a certain level of honour in that.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
In no universe is that an excuse to poison someone.

Punishable? If you can show it, yes, I think it absolutely should be. Reproductive coersion should be taken as a serious crime in all its forms.

But still no excuse to poison someone.
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I never claimed otherwise - the post you quoted actually indicated I agreed with the OP. I was asking an additional question. It's not unheard of for a woman to stop birth control in order to get pregnant as a means to securing a relationship. That said, as I've said about women, if you choose to have intercourse you accept the risk and the consequences of an unexpected or unwanted pregnancy.
 
Lursa said:
Never even implied it (bold).

I said it did infringe on a woman's rights. Life, health (pursuit of happiness), bodily sovereignty, etc.
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Apperantly not that sovereign.
 
Fletch said:
I get that he did something that COULD have caused harm. But no harm was done as far as I can see, so the penalty should light.
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You know that she didnt experience, back pain, cramps, vomiting? (pretty much that's the *minimum* harm.) Didnt miss work? Or school? Didnt have to pay medical bills?

He took careless license with and completely disregarded *her life.* He deserves serious jail time.

Makes for a good example, a deterrant, for others who might consider it too.
 
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Jerry said:
Apperantly not that sovereign.
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And do you believe that's justified?

Anybody who murders someone breeches the sovereignty of their bodies...tough luck tho, huh?
 
Jerry said:
An excuse is an attempt to avoid responsibility. He's accepting responsibility.
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So I'm supposed to be less appalled, simply because he's admitting he poisoned someone and could have killed her?

Eh, sorry. I care not even a little about that. The relevant fact to me is that he had so little regard for her agency, and indeed her life, that he did it in the first place.

I wonder if people would be saying he acted with "honor" simply for pleading guilty if he had been assaulting someone other than a pregnant woman. I suspect not.
 
CanadaJohn said:
There is a certain level of honour in that.
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How so? It doesnt say she dishonestly 'tricked' him into unprotected sex.

He knew the risks of pregnancy as well as she. So he doesnt like the outcome...but it's 'honorable' for him to poison her in order to avoid *his consequences* and then admit it when caught? :doh

That is so disturbing that you or anyone could believe that.
 
Crovax said:
No doubt, you view them as whatever suits your political view at the time
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True...my view is that a woman's rights supersede those that anyone might 'wish' were recognized for the unborn.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I agree - but how would you feel if he was tricked into the pregnancy.

Suppose they had discussed, as a couple, that they wouldn't have children unless they were married and later in life and suppose she told him she was taking all the necessary precautions but wasn't because she wanted to get married and she thought getting pregnant would get her the ring.

Would that be wrong and punishable?
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Tricking a man into pregnancy is morally wrong, but usually this only happens if a man has sex with a woman. So he is partly responsible (not to blame or at fault) for the pregnancy being able to take place, even though she tricked/cheated him into getting her pregnant and that is something that a woman should not be allowed to do IMHO but how do you prove trickery? A punctured condom? Tricked him into having sex?

And how are you going to punish that? It may be morally wrong but what laws have been broken exactly? The punishment is that he is not going to marry her. Getting pregnant does not get her her ring. The man giving in even though he knows he was tricked into pregnancy is the only way she is getting that ring.

But this is not the same thing as subjecting woman to a cocktail of anti-abortion drugs and interfering/poisoning a woman as has happened here. That is not just a bit wrong, that is also illegal and she has suffered in a manner that is criminal assault on her by this guy.
 
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