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    Re: I'm not pro-slavery. Are You?

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    Abortion is murder...bottom line
    Nope. It's a perfectly legal medical procedure. Bottom line.

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    Re: Forced pregnancy is enslavement.

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    Oh, that I believe.
    Well, you should.

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    This ought to be good. Of course, you can't "know" something that is false.
    Yes, it is very good, factual, reasonably objective defense of women's rights regarding reproductive rights.

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    You have a clear lack of knowledge of the fact that a human being is killed in every elective abortion.
    I know exactly what happens during abortion, the gestational process of a ZEF is ended which means that it cannot get the necessary blood/energy provided to it which ends all growth totally.

    That is not killing a human being, you may feel that it is but that does not mean that this opinion is accurate (at all).

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    You have clearly not read the Constitution.
    And you clearly just disagree with the constitution:

    A state criminal abortion statute of the current Texas type, that excepts from criminality only a lifesaving procedure on behalf of the mother, without regard to pregnancy stage and without recognition of the other interests involved, is violative of the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
    Holding and Rule (Blackmun)

    Yes. State criminal abortion laws that except from criminality only life-saving procedures on the motherís behalf, and that do not take into consideration the stage of pregnancy and other interests, are unconstitutional for violating the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

    Yes. The Due Process Clause protects the right to privacy, including a womanís right to terminate her pregnancy, against state action.

    Yes. Though a state cannot completely deny a woman the right to terminate her pregnancy, it has legitimate interests in protecting both the pregnant womanís health and the potentiality of human life at various stages of pregnancy.
    "In a Constitution for a free people, there can be no doubt that the meaning of Ďliberty' must be broad indeed. The Constitution nowhere mentions a specific right of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life, but the "liberty" protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment covers more than those freedoms explicitly named in the Bill of Rights."

    "The full scope of the liberty guaranteed by the Due Process Clause cannot be found in or limited by the precise terms of the specific guarantees elsewhere provided in the Constitution. This "liberty" is not a series of isolated points pricked out in terms of the taking of property; the freedom of speech, press, and religion; the right to keep and bear arms; the freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures; and so on. It is a rational continuum which, broadly speaking, includes a freedom from all substantial arbitrary impositions and purposeless restraints . . . and which also recognizes, what a reasonable and sensitive judgment must, that certain interests require particularly careful scrutiny of the state needs asserted to justify their abridgment."

    "Several decisions of this Court make clear that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12; Griswold v. Connecticut, supra; Pierce v. Society of Sisters, supra; Meyer v. Nebraska, supra. See also Prince v. Massachusetts, 321 U.S. 158, 166; Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U.S. 535, 541. As recently as last Term, in Eisenstadt v. Baird, 405 U.S. 438, 453, we recognized

    the right of the individual, married or single, to be free from unwarranted governmental intrusion into matters so fundamentally affecting a person [p170] as the decision whether to bear or beget a child.

    That right necessarily includes the right of a woman to decide whether or not to terminate her pregnancy."
    All of these opinions clearly say that the right to choose abortion is protected under the constitution.

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    Well, that's the only thing you've said which isn't objectively false, as it's an opinion.

    I think victimless actions are none of my business. Abortion is not victimless; the only way to consider it such is to hate the victim so much that you disregard them, as you and your peers do.
    Well, a ZEF does not know it is a ZEF, there is no victim. The only victim that can exist, will be created if women are forced to remain pregnant against their will, and at that time women will be the victim of interference by the government in her personal business.

    We do not hate, we do not disregard because there is nothing to disregard. The only evil thing is to disregard the rights of women.
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    Re: I'm not pro-slavery. Are You?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Nope. It's a perfectly legal medical procedure. Bottom line.
    It's only legal because of Leftist
    progressivism's attempt at population control.
    We walk by faith, not by sight.

    So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

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    Re: Forced pregnancy is enslavement.[W:607]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    That's too bad. Very sad indeed.
    The mom's mother tried to reach her, but her realtionship with her daughter is extremely bad and it did more harm than good. Her father is a good man, but sadly the mother hates his guts and he can't reach her either. The step dad is a lazy man that thinks he can wait until his grandfather dies before he does something with his life. He could properly reach her if he could be arsed to do so, but he can't.

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    Re: I'm not pro-slavery. Are You?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    the ending of a life by the hand of another person....murder.
    Incorrect. Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a person by a person. If it's legal, it CANNOT be murder.

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    Re: Forced pregnancy is enslavement.[W:607]

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Perhaps you didn't get it the first time, but I don't care about your off-topic opinion about religion. It has nothing to do with anything being discussed.
    Well, seeing that the majority of anti-choice pro-lifers do this from their religious points of view, religion is a valid topic in abortion. You may be the exception to the rule but the views of religious people is relevant in the fight for stopping them from trying to take away women's rights.
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    Re: I'm not pro-slavery. Are You?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    It's only legal because of Leftist
    progressivism's attempt at population control.


    Hooray for leftist and progressivim.

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    Re: I'm not pro-slavery. Are You?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Incorrect. Murder is the ILLEGAL killing of a person by a person. If it's legal, it CANNOT be murder.
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    Re: I'm not pro-slavery. Are You?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Abortion is murder...bottom line
    Murder is something that is illegal, abortion is not.

    Hence abortion is not murder. You may view it as such but that is just a very personal view that is not in accordance with what the law states about both murder and abortion.
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    Re: I'm not pro-slavery. Are You?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    It's only legal because of Leftist
    progressivism's attempt at population control.
    Our Constitution protects the right to privacy regarding several zones including marriage, child rearing, contraception and legal elective abortion befor viability.

    The Supreme Court voted overwhemingly to support legalized abortion in the United States 7 to 2.
    Most of the justices were appointed by Republican presidents.
    Last edited by minnie616; 03-08-15 at 07:45 PM.
    When it comes to matters of Reproductive health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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